Searching through the archives, it seems this topic has come up several times in the past 2.5 years. Did anyone ever take on the tasks of creating an official CentOS AMI?
We're currently using the RightScale ones, but I think it'd be ideal to have a clean CentOS AMI with the current kernels.
Karanbir, you seem to have been the one on CentOS side who has had the most conversations with Amazon. Is that conversation dead?
If we had a small committee with members from this list, would that help in any way? Ranging from doing the bundling work, to utilizing our account reps within Amazon to help us push this along?
johnny
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010, Johnny Tan wrote:
Searching through the archives, it seems this topic has come up several times in the past 2.5 years. Did anyone ever take on the tasks of creating an official CentOS AMI?
ummm -- Amazon does not use our kernel, and makes other changes. This makes it a downstream fork, as I see it.
We're currently using the RightScale ones, but I think it'd be ideal to have a clean CentOS AMI with the current kernels.
Why would CentOS prefer one vendor over others? Why prefer one NOT using CentOS product? ... particularly when there are vendors providing the CentOS provided kernel in a VM already
-- Russ herrold
disclaimer: I work with one of those other vendors that use the CentOS provided kernels already
On 08/06/2010 00:32, Johnny Tan wrote:
We're currently using the RightScale ones, but I think it'd be ideal to have a clean CentOS AMI with the current kernels.
Yes, I would like to have an official CentOS AMI as well and have looked into creating something like this previously. The Amazon guys have been fairly interested - but dont seem to be wanting to push things beyond the 'interested' stages. They are really geared up to working with companies and organisations putting forward development costs etc, rather than a general community.
Karanbir, you seem to have been the one on CentOS side who has had the most conversations with Amazon. Is that conversation dead?
Pretty much. There are still some inroads and I've spoken with the guys at amazon as recently as a month back; but that conversation isn't going anywhere beyond the interest factor.
Ideally, what I would like to do is get together some people who have an interest in this; not associated with any $commercial provider, and see if we can get some level of QA testing done. I dont really want anything 'official' unless we can be sure that the user experience and expectations dont change drastically from a stock CentOS install.
- KB
We're currently running almost 20 instances with aws. We're using CentOS 5.4/5.5 as the base, and the 2.6.18 kernel image provided by amazon in the form of their 2.6.18-ec2-v1.4(may have that form wrong). This works well, but its also from December 2009 so we're 6 months off where Cent is now.
Be more than willing to help QA/Test out kernels if there's some way we can get them submitted into Amazon's kernel store. Anything we can do to help, feel free to contact off list. Would love to see a much quicker turnaround on these, and might help get us to Amazon supporting CentOS 6 quicker down the road if we get the process in place with them now with 5.5.
Cent works very well other that this kernel process.
Cheers
J.G.
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
On 08/06/2010 00:32, Johnny Tan wrote:
We're currently using the RightScale ones, but I think it'd be ideal to have a clean CentOS AMI with the current kernels.
Yes, I would like to have an official CentOS AMI as well and have looked into creating something like this previously. The Amazon guys have been fairly interested - but dont seem to be wanting to push things beyond the 'interested' stages. They are really geared up to working with companies and organisations putting forward development costs etc, rather than a general community.
Karanbir, you seem to have been the one on CentOS side who has had the most conversations with Amazon. Is that conversation dead?
Pretty much. There are still some inroads and I've spoken with the guys at amazon as recently as a month back; but that conversation isn't going anywhere beyond the interest factor.
Ideally, what I would like to do is get together some people who have an interest in this; not associated with any $commercial provider, and see if we can get some level of QA testing done. I dont really want anything 'official' unless we can be sure that the user experience and expectations dont change drastically from a stock CentOS install.
- KB
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:39 AM, J. Jefferson Gray jeffg@surfmerchants.com wrote:
We're currently running almost 20 instances with aws. We're using CentOS 5.4/5.5 as the base, and the 2.6.18 kernel image provided by amazon in the form of their 2.6.18-ec2-v1.4(may have that form wrong). This works well, but its also from December 2009 so we're 6 months off where Cent is now.
I was just playing with this over the last couple of days. I found that while all of upstream's kernels on ec2 seem to be marked as paid, another rebuilder of upstream, Oracle, has kernels and initrds out there for free. I just grabbed the appropriate kernel-xen from OEL and installed it, and my hand-rolled Centos5.5 image booted off their aki/ari without any problems. They don't seem to have the -194 kernel out there yet, but at least -164...
Not ideal, but it works.
--wes
On 06/08/2010 07:45 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Ideally, what I would like to do is get together some people who have an interest in this; not associated with any $commercial provider, and see if we can get some level of QA testing done. I dont really want anything 'official' unless we can be sure that the user experience and expectations dont change drastically from a stock CentOS install.
We'd be willing to QA test. We also have various reps at AWS we can work with, in addition to be being beta-testers for new features (there will be some changes to AKIs/ARIs soon).
johnny
On 11/06/2010 16:13, Johnny Tan wrote:
We'd be willing to QA test. We also have various reps at AWS we can work with, in addition to be being beta-testers for new features (there will be some changes to AKIs/ARIs soon).
Ok, so since there is some level of interest and a few people have offered to test, let me get something together and post some details
- KB
I'm happy to help in some way, too. We have barebones CentOS 5 images we've been using in EC2 for a long time, and our process for initially creating them is fairly well documented, so holler if I can help.
Thanks,
Don
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.orgwrote:
On 11/06/2010 16:13, Johnny Tan wrote:
We'd be willing to QA test. We also have various reps at AWS we can work with, in addition to be being beta-testers for new features (there will be some changes to AKIs/ARIs soon).
Ok, so since there is some level of interest and a few people have offered to test, let me get something together and post some details
- KB
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hello Don,
I would be more than interested about CentOS on EC2.
Regards,
-- Andrei
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Don MacAskill don@smugmug.com wrote:
I'm happy to help in some way, too. We have barebones CentOS 5 images we've been using in EC2 for a long time, and our process for initially creating them is fairly well documented, so holler if I can help.
Thanks,
Don
hi Don,
On 15/06/2010 21:29, Don MacAskill wrote:
I'm happy to help in some way, too. We have barebones CentOS 5 images we've been using in EC2 for a long time, and our process for initially creating them is fairly well documented, so holler if I can help.
Thanks for your offer, I might just do that.
Also, thanks for the smugmug machine you guys donated to the project, it has been put into good use over the years!
- KB
On 06/11/2010 02:17 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Ok, so since there is some level of interest and a few people have offered to test, let me get something together and post some details
Our AWS technical reps stopped by our office the other day. They said the primary issue with CentOS in terms of the AKI/ARI is that the creation process is tedious, not straightforwad, and they usually only open that up to "partners" who will sign an NDA. And they are more used to working with business entities, such as Red Hat, Oracle, etc. Maybe they're confused as to what to do with "CentOS"? I don't know.
But since we have a business relation with them already and are under NDA, we did tell them we were happy to develop the proper AKI/ARIs and give those to CentOS to vet. So they will send us the API to do so, shortly.
This might all be moot, as there are changes coming to AWS soon in relation to this (among many other things), but we'll wait to see what's publicly announced.
johnny
On 18/06/2010 20:25, Johnny Tan wrote:
But since we have a business relation with them already and are under NDA, we did tell them we were happy to develop the proper AKI/ARIs and give those to CentOS to vet. So they will send us the API to do so, shortly.
Please dont communicate to them or anyone else that the CentOS project or people representing it will agree to be bound under any NDA that they didnt sign themselves. And certainly not when done by proxy.
Not being awkward here, but I'm not going to accept any such thing when it does not involve me directly and I am fairly certain that this would extend to all the other CentOS developers as well.
If you can and are willing to, asking those people at AWS to ping the guys talking with us would be a good step to take instead.
- KB
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Not being awkward here, but I'm not going to accept any such thing when it does not involve me directly and I am fairly certain that this would extend to all the other CentOS developers as well.
heartily concur; I manage the NDAs to which I am even arguably subject quite closely, and in this part of FOSS space, there is 'no way, no how' I will or would so assent
I was wondering how we would handle a 'blob' handed to us for review by a third party
--- Russ herrold
On 06/18/2010 04:55 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Please dont communicate to them or anyone else that the CentOS project or people representing it will agree to be bound under any NDA that they didnt sign themselves. And certainly not when done by proxy.
This was definitely not what we communicated nor the impression they got.
As they see it, we are just developing an AKI on our own. Only from our point of view would we submit to CentOS for review.
Not being awkward here, but I'm not going to accept any such thing when it does not involve me directly and I am fairly certain that this would extend to all the other CentOS developers as well.
Makes sense. In that case, we'll develop for our use only, and offer advice if asked.
If you can and are willing to, asking those people at AWS to ping the guys talking with us would be a good step to take instead.
Do you have a name? I'm more than happy to have our reps prod your reps.
johnny
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