I work for a small company, and we're running CentOS on our servers. We are looking to possibly move our most critical servers to RHEL. We currently use apt to deploy software upgrades to our servers. I have a question about RHEL subscriptions that they don't seem to be able to answer for me. If you have an RHEL subscription, do you have access to manually download the RPMs? We would prefer to deploy upgrades using apt instead of up2date, for consistency, but we need to know whether we can even do that on RHEL.
Thanks!
Steve Meyers
This is probably better off sent to Redhat sales than the centos mailing list...
From a quick glance, you need a special RHN subscription:
http://www.redhat.com/software/rhn/table/
Either Proxy or Satelite.
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:42:52 -0700, Steve Meyers steve-centos@spamwiz.com wrote:
I work for a small company, and we're running CentOS on our servers. We are looking to possibly move our most critical servers to RHEL. We currently use apt to deploy software upgrades to our servers. I have a question about RHEL subscriptions that they don't seem to be able to answer for me. If you have an RHEL subscription, do you have access to manually download the RPMs? We would prefer to deploy upgrades using apt instead of up2date, for consistency, but we need to know whether we can even do that on RHEL.
Thanks!
Steve Meyers _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Beau Henderson wrote:
This is probably better off sent to Redhat sales than the centos mailing list...
I tried asking them, they tell me they'll get back to me and then never respond. We'd love to send some money their way, but it's difficult when you can't get their sales department to answer simple questions. :)
From a quick glance, you need a special RHN subscription:
http://www.redhat.com/software/rhn/table/
Either Proxy or Satelite.
That would have been my guess, but it all seems to be tailored to using up2date, so I wasn't sure.
No, you can do this with any Red Hat product, even with basic support. You do not need your own RHN (Proxy or Satellite) server
Taco
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Meyers" steve-centos@spamwiz.com To: "CentOS discussion and information list" centos@caosity.org Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Centos] RHEL question
Beau Henderson wrote:
This is probably better off sent to Redhat sales than the centos mailing list...
I tried asking them, they tell me they'll get back to me and then never respond. We'd love to send some money their way, but it's difficult when you can't get their sales department to answer simple questions. :)
From a quick glance, you need a special RHN subscription:
http://www.redhat.com/software/rhn/table/
Either Proxy or Satelite.
That would have been my guess, but it all seems to be tailored to using up2date, so I wasn't sure.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
The idea behind paying Red Hat and having the RHN subscription is so that you will use up2date and not apt or yum, as this is the supported method for updating your RHEL system. As for them not responding, I'd take that up with your sales rep... but I'm sure even their sales engineers will tell you, up2date via RHN or RHN Satellite is the supported method for keeping your system updated.
good luck, David McD
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:09:47 -0700, Steve Meyers steve-centos@spamwiz.com wrote:
Beau Henderson wrote:
This is probably better off sent to Redhat sales than the centos mailing list...
I tried asking them, they tell me they'll get back to me and then never respond. We'd love to send some money their way, but it's difficult when you can't get their sales department to answer simple questions. :)
From a quick glance, you need a special RHN subscription:
http://www.redhat.com/software/rhn/table/
Either Proxy or Satelite.
That would have been my guess, but it all seems to be tailored to using up2date, so I wasn't sure.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Going along that lines, the idea of paying RedHat for RHEL is for companies that want that warm fuzzy feeling they get with having the ability to open a support ticket with a company.
The company I work for has service contracts with RedHat and Microsoft, yet, in the 7 years they've been in business they have never once opened a ticket with either company. I've tried convincing them to switch all the RHEL servers to CentOS, but they say paying RH & MS is like paying for insurance.
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Matt Shields wrote:
Going along that lines, the idea of paying RedHat for RHEL is for companies that want that warm fuzzy feeling they get with having the ability to open a support ticket with a company.
The company I work for has service contracts with RedHat and Microsoft, yet, in the 7 years they've been in business they have never once opened a ticket with either company. I've tried convincing them to switch all the RHEL servers to CentOS, but they say paying RH & MS is like paying for insurance.
Not only that, you're supporting future development of a piece of software (or rather a compilation of software pieces) that may be critical for your business.
Even when you're considering to use CentOS, keep in mind that CentOS is a recompilation of a product. Without the existence of that product, CentOS would not exist (or at least not in its current form).
PS I don't own any Red Hat stock, I wish I could afford it though :)
-- dag wieers, dag@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [all I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power]
On Monday 24 January 2005 20:49, Dag Wieers wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Matt Shields wrote:
Going along that lines, the idea of paying RedHat for RHEL is for companies that want that warm fuzzy feeling they get with having the ability to open a support ticket with a company.
The company I work for has service contracts with RedHat and Microsoft, yet, in the 7 years they've been in business they have never once opened a ticket with either company. I've tried convincing them to switch all the RHEL servers to CentOS, but they say paying RH & MS is like paying for insurance.
Not only that, you're supporting future development of a piece of software (or rather a compilation of software pieces) that may be critical for your business.
Even when you're considering to use CentOS, keep in mind that CentOS is a recompilation of a product. Without the existence of that product, CentOS would not exist (or at least not in its current form).
I was just in the middle of writing almost the same - so I got only 1 thing to add. Corporations usually don't only consider the immediate costs. The first time you work on a system where an hour downtime costs a million dollar you'll change your attitude. You will realize that there is more to cost than the amount you pay for licenses. Plus license costs can be predicted - outage costs can't. So while you can usually get away paying a million dollar a year in license fees, the first time you have $5 mill in outage costs, you'll be in trouble.
Of course this mindset does not always apply but the more often this happens to you, the more conservative you get and the more you are willing to overpay rather than take a risk.
Peter.
Steve,
'up2date' has a download only option (-d/--download); you could use that after some fashion (might take a little hacking) to routinely snag all upgrades post-ISO, and build your own apt repository. Take a look at repo-janitor (over on the FreshRPMS list), maybe it'll give you some ideas.
Start with something like: /usr/sbin/up2date --nox --showall > /tmp/allrpms.txt sed [magic sed switches to remove version] < /tmp/allrpms.txt > /tmp/all.txt for $line in /tmp/all.txt; do /usr/sbin/up2date --nox -d --tmpdir=/path/to/apt/repo --get $line done /commands/to/make/apt/repo
(complete psuedo code, not a bit of it tested :) )
-te
Steve Meyers wrote:
I work for a small company, and we're running CentOS on our servers. We are looking to possibly move our most critical servers to RHEL. We currently use apt to deploy software upgrades to our servers. I have a question about RHEL subscriptions that they don't seem to be able to answer for me. If you have an RHEL subscription, do you have access to manually download the RPMs? We would prefer to deploy upgrades using apt instead of up2date, for consistency, but we need to know whether we can even do that on RHEL.
Thanks!
Steve Meyers _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hi Steve,
If you have an RHEL subscription, do you have access to manually download the RPMs?
Yes, if you have registered one (or more) of the subscriptions towards an RHN account, you can download them by logging in to https://rhn.redhat.com
Alternatively you can build a script that does that for you. I used to work at a company that used this and maintained their own internal apt server.
We would prefer to deploy upgrades using apt instead of up2date, for consistency, but we need to know whether we can even do that on RHEL.
No problem whatsoever.
With regards,
Taco Scargo
The answer is yes you do. You'd have to login to https://rhn.redhat.com and go to the proper channel, but under the errata, you can find download links to the RPM's.
Mike
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Steve Meyers Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 PM To: centos@caosity.org Subject: [Centos] RHEL question
I work for a small company, and we're running CentOS on our servers. We are looking to possibly move our most critical servers to RHEL. We currently use apt to deploy software upgrades to our servers. I have a question about RHEL subscriptions that they don't seem to be able to answer for me. If you have an RHEL subscription, do you have access to manually download the RPMs? We would prefer to deploy upgrades using apt instead of up2date, for consistency, but we need to know whether we can even do that on RHEL.
Thanks!
Steve Meyers _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 18:00 -0600, Mike Kercher wrote:
The answer is yes you do. You'd have to login to https://rhn.redhat.com and go to the proper channel, but under the errata, you can find download links to the RPM's.
Mike
After downloading the RPMS though, you can deploy them however you want to your other _Authorized_ RHEL machines ... using apt or some other means.
You couldn't deploy them to non authorized machines.
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Steve Meyers Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 PM To: centos@caosity.org Subject: [Centos] RHEL question
I work for a small company, and we're running CentOS on our servers. We are looking to possibly move our most critical servers to RHEL. We currently use apt to deploy software upgrades to our servers. I have a question about RHEL subscriptions that they don't seem to be able to answer for me. If you have an RHEL subscription, do you have access to manually download the RPMs? We would prefer to deploy upgrades using apt instead of up2date, for consistency, but we need to know whether we can even do that on RHEL.
Thanks!
Steve Meyers _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Actually, you can have unauthorized servers.
1. install RHEL via CD 2. turn off rhnsd service on new server 3. setup a server to download/install/upgrade all available packages 4. make /var/spool/up2date directory available on your network
NOTE: this is not legal according to RedHat's license, you are required to pay for a license for each computer. But this is a good way to build your own satellite server to conserve on bandwidth
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