Hate to ask, but after reading the last few months of centos history online I am worried. And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary.
They all worked so hard and who knows what will happen now.
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
I ponder the worries I think we are all faced with here. I think all of us would follow a fork... Whatever they end up calling it.
But I am worried about the immediate future for the project. None of those guys deserve what is happening to them and all of us are affected.
If anyone lives near Lance, perhaps a good call to the local news station and some you tube stuff may get him to release the project to the team who wants to continue.
But an option to go full redhat is one I am now considering..
Discuss?
Don't panic.
I am sure the situation is less worrisome than you are making it.
So much that, according to the letter and other e-mails, the guy disappeared about a year ago, and for this whole time the project went on, many new versions were released, updates kept showing up as usual.
As I see, the main issue here is on the domain name, if the guy does not show up and cooperate, the project might have to see the registrar on how to transfer it to another person, or in a last case change the domain to centos.net or centos.com or something like that... The would not be desirable as it would break yum config, etc., but it's far from the end of the world.
I really can't see how this issue could bring an end to the project.
HTH, Filipe
Bob Hoffman wrote:
Hate to ask, but after reading the last few months of centos history online I am worried. And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary.
You seem to be reading something (into, maybe?) completely different to me then?
They all worked so hard and who knows what will happen now.
CentOS will continue - that's what open source projects do.
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
Yes, it's simple enough to convert to Red Hat, and I'm sure they will be more than please to accept your business for subscriptions.
I ponder the worries I think we are all faced with here. I think all of us would follow a fork... Whatever they end up calling it.
But I am worried about the immediate future for the project. None of those guys deserve what is happening to them and all of us are affected.
If anyone lives near Lance, perhaps a good call to the local news station and some you tube stuff may get him to release the project to the team who wants to continue.
But an option to go full redhat is one I am now considering..
Discuss?
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Bob Hoffman wrote:
Hate to ask, but after reading the last few months of centos history online I am worried. And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary.
They all worked so hard and who knows what will happen now.
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
There are other RHEL rebuild projects out there.
I ponder the worries I think we are all faced with here. I think all of us would follow a fork... Whatever they end up calling it.
But I am worried about the immediate future for the project. None of those guys deserve what is happening to them and all of us are affected.
If anyone lives near Lance, perhaps a good call to the local news station and some you tube stuff may get him to release the project to the team who wants to continue.
But an option to go full redhat is one I am now considering..
Discuss?
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
-Connie Sieh
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
There are other RHEL rebuild projects out there.
why is everyone getting so jumpy - its only a domain name thats at stake, he's been AWOL for a year or more and the project has been OK
people should worry less
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Tom Brown wrote:
people should worry less
If they would carefully read and consider, then they could worry less..
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Tom Brown wrote:
why is everyone getting so jumpy - its only a domain name thats at stake, he's been AWOL for a year or more and the project has been OK
people should worry less
I understand the worries. The news have reached the front page of Slashdot, and thus might reach certain technically inclined managers, which in turn may cause questions about contingency plans to be directed at the IT staff. I have a feeling that "I have no contingency plan, don't worry, the problem will be solved" is not such a good answer to such queries.
Thus, the worrying.
Regards Ingemar
I understand the worries. The news have reached the front page of Slashdot, and thus might reach certain technically inclined managers, which in turn may cause questions about contingency plans to be directed at the IT staff. I have a feeling that "I have no contingency plan, don't worry, the problem will be solved" is not such a good answer to such queries.
Thus, the worrying.
tell said managers to open the coffers and pay for support if they are that worried
tell said managers to open the coffers and pay for support if they are that worried
Maybe they would, but there is no content on the Centos wiki on the commercial support page. Considering the allegations of mishandling of funds, I doubt any organization would donate directly Centos at this time.
I'm not trying to be a pest about that commercial support page, but it is frustrating. I know the team said they would bring it up at the next dev meeting, but I have no idea when that is/was and what may have happened.
-geoff
--------------------------------- Geoff Galitz Blankenheim NRW, Germany http://www.galitz.org/ http://german-way.com/blog/ /listinfo/centos
Geoff Galitz wrote:
tell said managers to open the coffers and pay for support if they are that worried
Maybe they would, but there is no content on the Centos wiki on the commercial support page. Considering the allegations of mishandling of funds, I doubt any organization would donate directly Centos at this time.
I'm not trying to be a pest about that commercial support page, but it is frustrating. I know the team said they would bring it up at the next dev meeting, but I have no idea when that is/was and what may have happened.
support as in buy a RHEL license
On 07/31/2009 06:10 PM, Geoff Galitz wrote:
I'm not trying to be a pest about that commercial support page, but it is frustrating. I know the team said they would bring it up at the next dev meeting, but I have no idea when that is/was and what may have happened.
you seem confused.
there is no way I am going to let the project get into commercial endorsement program without a proper mapped out process that feeds back into both ends, has some audit-able process and directly works for the users, and not the vendors. With the past scenario that has not been possible to establish, but there is hope that this starts chaning in the future. And while it is in the pipeline, commercial support endorsement is *not* in the top priorities at the moment, there are other things that we need to do first.
If you expect things to be different, you dont understand what we are trying to do here.
Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Bob Hoffman wrote:
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
There are other RHEL rebuild projects out there.
Yeah, plus: We don't intend to fall, just cleaning up things. >:)
Cheers,
Ralph
Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Bob Hoffman wrote:
Hate to ask, but after reading the last few months of centos history online I am worried. And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary.
They all worked so hard and who knows what will happen now.
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
There are other RHEL rebuild projects out there.
Scientific Linux, do you mean? ;-)
I ponder the worries I think we are all faced with here. I think all of us would follow a fork... Whatever they end up calling it.
But I am worried about the immediate future for the project. None of those guys deserve what is happening to them and all of us are affected.
If anyone lives near Lance, perhaps a good call to the local news station and some you tube stuff may get him to release the project to the team who wants to continue.
But an option to go full redhat is one I am now considering..
Discuss?
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
-Connie Sieh _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Vaclav Mocek wrote:
Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Bob Hoffman wrote:
Hate to ask, but after reading the last few months of centos history online I am worried. And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary.
They all worked so hard and who knows what will happen now.
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
There are other RHEL rebuild projects out there.
Scientific Linux, do you mean? ;-)
Yes. I was trying to not advertise too much. I think the Centos project should live. I was only trying to mention that there are other alteratives.
-Connie Sieh
I ponder the worries I think we are all faced with here. I think all of us would follow a fork... Whatever they end up calling it.
But I am worried about the immediate future for the project. None of those guys deserve what is happening to them and all of us are affected.
If anyone lives near Lance, perhaps a good call to the local news station and some you tube stuff may get him to release the project to the team who wants to continue.
But an option to go full redhat is one I am now considering..
Discuss?
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
-Connie Sieh _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Connie Sieh wrote:
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
There are other RHEL rebuild projects out there.
I'm very grateful to CentOS, which is running my home server. I used to run it under Fedora, but that required a lot more thought. My thanks to the CentOS team, and best wishes.
2009/8/1 Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net
Connie Sieh wrote:
If centos falls I have no choice but to go to redhat. I am wondering if the conversion will be easy or a complete reinstall.
There are other RHEL rebuild projects out there.
I'm very grateful to CentOS, which is running my home server. I used to run it under Fedora, but that required a lot more thought. My thanks to the CentOS team, and best wishes.
I too am greatful for CentOS.
Growing up with Redhat from the days of 4.3, I have grown accustomed to it and it's way of doing things. When the fork happened, Fedora was not an option due to the short life cycle and bleeding edge technologies employed. What I needed was stability and longevity.
I am confident that the dev team can be successful in their endeavours to keep this project running smoothly.
Good luck chaps.
-Andrew.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Bob Hoffmanbob@bobhoffman.com wrote:
Hate to ask, but after reading the last few months of centos history online I am worried. And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary.
They all worked so hard and who knows what will happen now.
I guess we wait and see what happens. But it looks like CentOS will go on -- it's just the domain name 'centos.org' that is in danger.
I know 'centos.com' is already in use, but it looks like 'centos.net' is "parked" -- so probably available at a cost.
I've sensed a tenseness at CentOS.org, but had no idea what was going on. In a lot of ways it's good to have this out in the open.
"Bob Hoffman" bob@bobhoffman.com wrote:
And to learn the lead guy seems to have absconded with the cash and left all the hard working devs high and dry..well that is scary.
PANIC!!!!
No he hasn't left them all high and dry. By the sound of it, none of the devs have *ever* seen any cash. They're all paying for this out of their own pockets.
Worst case scenario, the Centos project has lost everything currently donated, and has to set up a new domain name and new paypal account. That doesn't change anything for the average bum like you and me. The devs will keep doing their work and in fact, things may improve, because once things are sorted under someone else's control (or a committee), then there will probably be some money available to them for travel to shows, or whatever.
From my point of view, I've never even heard of Lance, so the people doing the work will continue doing the work.
So sit down, stop conjuring up disaster scenarios that the world will end, down a few shots of your favourite whiskey or bourbon, and have a nap.
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