Dear All, When i install CentOS, it doesn't install yum package. How i do it? when i haven't yum, it is like that i haven't apt-get. Please help me.... Yours, Mohsen
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
When i install CentOS, it doesn't install yum package. How i do it? when i haven't yum, it is like that i haven't apt-get. Please help me....
you appeared in the IRC channel earlier today, and were told that the fork you are runing -- a Virtuozzo variant -- was an unsupported and non CentOS fork, as explained at: http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/BrokenVserver
13:11 @Evolution> m_pahlevanadeh: centos comes with yum installed by default. 13:11 @Evolution> in fact, you have to work at not having yum on your system. 13:12 @Evolution> m_pahlevanadeh: what is the output of 'uname -a' 13:12 m_pahlevanadeh> Evolution , Linux mohsen 2.6.18-028stab053.14 #1 SMP Thu May 8 15:03:45 MSD 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 13:12 orc_orc> m_pahlevanadeh: http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/BrokenVserver
What more do you want to know? It is not CentOS.
-- Russ herrold
Hmm, it should be there no matter what, even if you deselect all the package groups on install. Should be at /usr/bin/yum.
On 5 Aug, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
Dear All, When i install CentOS, it doesn't install yum package. How i do it? when i haven't yum, it is like that i haven't apt-get. Please help me.... Yours, Mohsen _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Chris Brentano chris.brentano@jivesoftware.com wrote:
Hmm, it should be there no matter what, even if you deselect all the package groups on install. Should be at /usr/bin/yum.
You'd think that, however there seems to be a growing (or at least their users are complaining more vocally on irc) number of VPS providers using a very stripped down version of centos. They ship it without yum, which would imply that folks are not able to get basic security updates via the normal route (if at all).
While I could possibly see excluding the kernel and maybe a few other packages since it runs a custom built openvz kernel, the entire removal of yum is extreme, and seems very careless of these VPS providers.
You'd think that, however there seems to be a growing (or at least their users are complaining more vocally on irc) number of VPS providers using a very stripped down version of centos. They ship it without yum, which would imply that folks are not able to get basic security updates via the normal route (if at all).
Perhaps it's the high cost of CentOS driving people into the competitions' arms. Maybe it's time we looked at dropping the cost, especially with the inevitable christmas rush.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Jim Perrin jperrin@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Chris Brentano chris.brentano@jivesoftware.com wrote:
Hmm, it should be there no matter what, even if you deselect all the package groups on install. Should be at /usr/bin/yum.
You'd think that, however there seems to be a growing (or at least their users are complaining more vocally on irc) number of VPS providers using a very stripped down version of centos. They ship it without yum, which would imply that folks are not able to get basic security updates via the normal route (if at all).
While I could possibly see excluding the kernel and maybe a few other packages since it runs a custom built openvz kernel, the entire removal of yum is extreme, and seems very careless of these VPS providers.
Not only they cannot do updates. They cannot install additional packages. If the idea of having a VPS is that it is like having a Dedicated Server, the people buying those brain dead VPS are getting a very crippled system.
Lanny Marcus wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Jim Perrin jperrin@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Chris Brentano chris.brentano@jivesoftware.com wrote:
Hmm, it should be there no matter what, even if you deselect all the package groups on install. Should be at /usr/bin/yum.
You'd think that, however there seems to be a growing (or at least their users are complaining more vocally on irc) number of VPS providers using a very stripped down version of centos. They ship it without yum, which would imply that folks are not able to get basic security updates via the normal route (if at all).
While I could possibly see excluding the kernel and maybe a few other packages since it runs a custom built openvz kernel, the entire removal of yum is extreme, and seems very careless of these VPS providers.
Not only they cannot do updates. They cannot install additional packages. If the idea of having a VPS is that it is like having a Dedicated Server, the people buying those brain dead VPS are getting a very crippled system. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Of course i have installed by hand....
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh mohsen@pahlevanzadeh.org wrote:
Dear All, When i install CentOS, it doesn't install yum package. How i do it? when i haven't yum, it is like that i haven't apt-get. Please help me.... Yours, Mohsen _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Sounds like you need to talk to the support staff where you bought the VPServer - after all, they're the ones responsible for creating your problem.
Alternatively, you could try 'rpm --upgrade http://mirror.centos.org/centos-5/5.2/updates/i386/RPMS/yum-3.2.8-9.el5.cent..." - add dependencies ad nauseam.
BR Bent
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Bent Terp bent@terp.se wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh mohsen@pahlevanzadeh.org wrote:
Dear All, When i install CentOS, it doesn't install yum package. How i do it? when i haven't yum, it is like that i haven't apt-get. Please help me.... Yours, Mohsen _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Sounds like you need to talk to the support staff where you bought the VPServer - after all, they're the ones responsible for creating your problem.
Alternatively, you could try 'rpm --upgrade http://mirror.centos.org/centos-5/5.2/updates/i386/RPMS/yum-3.2.8-9.el5.cent..."
- add dependencies ad nauseam.
Hosts normally advertise a VPS as being almost like a Dedicated Server. Lots of resources and lots of options. In this case, without being able to use yum, it starts as a Security problem, because he cannot update the packages that are installed. His second problem is that he cannot install new software with yum, which eliminates a lot of options. Unlike Shared Hosting, which is Managed, someone with a VPS must Manage their VPS, as if it was a Dedicated Server, or, pay someone to do that. But, how would they manage it, without yum? It's much more difficult, without yum. IMHO, he should look for a VPS with another provider, that allows him to use yum, etc.
On Wed, August 6, 2008 13:40, Lanny Marcus wrote:
Hosts normally advertise a VPS as being almost like a Dedicated Server. Lots of resources and lots of options. In this case, without being able to use yum, it starts as a Security problem, because he cannot update the packages that are installed. His second problem is that he cannot install new software with yum, which eliminates a lot of options. Unlike Shared Hosting, which is Managed, someone with a VPS must Manage their VPS, as if it was a Dedicated Server, or, pay someone to do that. But, how would they manage it, without yum? It's much more difficult, without yum. IMHO, he should look for a VPS with another provider, that allows him to use yum, etc.
FTP? Rpm? Ftp up a suitable yum rpm and install it.
(Maybe it's really part of an active attempt to keep people from installing software, but on a virtual private server that'd be amazingly stupid; so I'm guessing, from a great distance and very little information, that it's something simpler like just not having installed yum.)
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
On Wed, August 6, 2008 13:40, Lanny Marcus wrote:
Hosts normally advertise a VPS as being almost like a Dedicated Server. Lots of resources and lots of options. In this case, without being able to use yum, it starts as a Security problem, because he cannot update the packages that are installed. His second problem is that he cannot install new software with yum, which eliminates a lot of options. Unlike Shared Hosting, which is Managed, someone with a VPS must Manage their VPS, as if it was a Dedicated Server, or, pay someone to do that. But, how would they manage it, without yum? It's much more difficult, without yum. IMHO, he should look for a VPS with another provider, that allows him to use yum, etc.
FTP? Rpm? Ftp up a suitable yum rpm and install it.
(Maybe it's really part of an active attempt to keep people from installing software, but on a virtual private server that'd be amazingly stupid; so I'm guessing, from a great distance and very little information, that it's something simpler like just not having installed yum.)
Almost certainly. Depends on the VPS software as to whether yum is included in the base packages for each VPS or if you have to add it on as part of a "developer" set or such like. VPS's are often used in an Enterprise setting to ease system administration and as such, these are often pared down feature-wise. Makes sense in some software-manufacturer's points of view to keep the base product lite and add on what you need. Others install the full shebang. If the provider is not fully savvy about the product they are pushing, then they could easily miss things like this.
Lanny Marcus wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Bent Terp bent@terp.se wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh mohsen@pahlevanzadeh.org wrote:
Dear All, When i install CentOS, it doesn't install yum package. How i do it? when i haven't yum, it is like that i haven't apt-get. Please help me.... Yours, Mohsen _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Sounds like you need to talk to the support staff where you bought the VPServer - after all, they're the ones responsible for creating your problem.
Alternatively, you could try 'rpm --upgrade http://mirror.centos.org/centos-5/5.2/updates/i386/RPMS/yum-3.2.8-9.el5.cent..."
- add dependencies ad nauseam.
Hosts normally advertise a VPS as being almost like a Dedicated Server. Lots of resources and lots of options. In this case, without being able to use yum, it starts as a Security problem, because he cannot update the packages that are installed. His second problem is that he cannot install new software with yum, which eliminates a lot of options. Unlike Shared Hosting, which is Managed, someone with a VPS must Manage their VPS, as if it was a Dedicated Server, or, pay someone to do that. But, how would they manage it, without yum? It's much more difficult, without yum. IMHO, he should look for a VPS with another provider, that allows him to use yum, etc.
Well .. the problem is that yum breaks their VPS
Those VPS providers should have provided another way to get updates and install packages.
If you install yum with the normal defaults it will allow you to install packages that will break your VPS.
You should ONLY do what the VPS providers says to do and you should ONLY contact them for support. To do anything else will break your system
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