So I got a new Pocket PC this weekend (yes, you read that right, sorry, don't like the Palms on offer currently and I can at least install software on it via Windows on VMWare). One of the main things I wanted to do with it is get Audible.com again and listen to All Things Considered from NPR on the way home like I used to. Now I find out they not only don't have an agreement with Audible any longer where I can pay them for this service, but now they are podcasting, but not the whole show. *sigh*
So what to do.... My thinking is to capture the stream from local affiliate and time shift until I leave work. But how do I do this (I know how to use dump with mplayer for this) without getting one gigantic file? Anyone have any experience with this?
Preston
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
So I got a new Pocket PC this weekend (yes, you read that right, sorry, don't like the Palms on offer currently
Did you try the Treos? I really can't stand a "start bar" in a palm. Slows me down. But to each his own.
and I can at least install software on it via Windows on VMWare).
Which means you're running Windows, no difference.
Again, to each his own, but I like a device I have total control over under Linux. I've been using a Treo 600 for over a year, a Kyocera 7135 for 2 years before that and a Kyocerta 6035 2 years before that (going back to early 2001).
One of the main things I wanted to do with it is get Audible.com again and listen to All Things Considered from NPR on the way home like I used to. Now I find out they not only don't have an agreement with Audible any longer where I can pay them for this service, but now they are podcasting, but not the whole show. *sigh* So what to do.... My thinking is to capture the stream from local affiliate and time shift until I leave work. But how do I do this (I know how to use dump with mplayer for this) without getting one gigantic file? Anyone have any experience with this?
No, but mplayer can split files IIRC.
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
So I got a new Pocket PC this weekend (yes, you read that right, sorry, don't like the Palms on offer currently
Did you try the Treos? I really can't stand a "start bar" in a palm. Slows me down. But to each his own.
Understand. My price point is lower, unfortunately. Around $300. And at that price point it's Tungstens and Zires. And all of them either have poor displays (visually) or that screen whine problem. Like you said, it's a personal preference thing and beside the point.
and I can at least install software on it via Windows on VMWare).
Which means you're running Windows, no difference.
Again, to each his own, but I like a device I have total control over under Linux. I've been using a Treo 600 for over a year, a Kyocera 7135 for 2 years before that and a Kyocerta 6035 2 years before that (going back to early 2001).
Which really is beside the point and I probably shouldn't have mentioned it so this didn't turn into a "why aren't you using Linux and a Palm" issue.
One of the main things I wanted to do with it is get Audible.com again and listen to All Things Considered from NPR on the way home like I used to. Now I find out they not only don't have an agreement with Audible any longer where I can pay them for this service, but now they are podcasting, but not the whole show. *sigh* So what to do.... My thinking is to capture the stream from local affiliate and time shift until I leave work. But how do I do this (I know how to use dump with mplayer for this) without getting one gigantic file? Anyone have any experience with this?
No, but mplayer can split files IIRC.
That's what I want to know. How do I take a stream and have it split the pieces of the real audio stream as they come in? It's taking them in as a playlist and dumping them into one big mp3 file. And that file is too unweildy for using with the MP3 player on my device, I fear. Besides, I don't want to have to copy that whole file at once. Or I'd like to be able to encode manually at a lower bitrate. Right now I'm using the command...
/usr/bin/mplayer -playlist http://<servername>/feed.pls -dumpaudio -dumpfile atc.mp3
Preston
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
Understand. My price point is lower, unfortunately. Around $300.
The Treo 600 is available for $149 from most providers nowdays, maybe $249 if you already have a provider. Even the Treo 650 is $299.
And at that price point it's Tungstens and Zires. And all of them either have poor displays (visually)
Palm doesn't require a high-res display like a start-bar type environment. Furthermore, the Treo 650 does have a better display with higher resolution. I haven't seen anyone offering it for less than $299.
or that screen whine problem.
??? How about the "battery whine" problem with Pocket PC ??? ;->
Like you said, it's a personal preference thing and beside the point.
I use mine for calender, contact, MP3, PDF ref, etc...
Which really is beside the point and I probably shouldn't have mentioned it so this didn't turn into a "why aren't you using Linux and a Palm" issue.
Palm just works and works nice for myself. I've been using Palm-based phones for almost 5 years now.
If I want more, I'll go with an ultra-light notebook.
That's what I want to know. How do I take a stream and have it split the pieces of the real audio stream as they come in? It's taking them in as a playlist and dumping them into one big mp3 file.
I could have swore there was an option to split on X size in mencoder.
And that file is too unweildy for using with the MP3 player on my device, I fear.
No SD/MMC slot? My Kyocera 7135 / Treo 600 have been Godsends because they have that nice, small, little slot in their tough, rugged designs (I dropped the crap out of my phones -- and I've seen Pocket PCs crack on half the height).
Besides, I don't want to have to copy that whole file at once. Or I'd like to be able to encode manually at a lower bitrate.
??? Mencoder has a lot of options, try'em out.
Right now I'm using the command... /usr/bin/mplayer -playlist http://<servername>/feed.pls -dumpaudio -dumpfile atc.mp3
Depending on your MPlayer is built, it may take all the mencoder options. Play with them (hit the man page). Definitely RTFM here, sorry, but that's it.
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
Understand. My price point is lower, unfortunately. Around $300.
The Treo 600 is available for $149 from most providers nowdays, maybe $249 if you already have a provider. Even the Treo 650 is $299.
Do we have to do this? I made my choice. I already have a cell phone.
And at that price point it's Tungstens and Zires. And all of them either have poor displays (visually)
Palm doesn't require a high-res display like a start-bar type environment. Furthermore, the Treo 650 does have a better display with higher resolution. I haven't seen anyone offering it for less than $299.
Right, and I paid $300 for a device that fits my needs. Why do we have to do this again?
or that screen whine problem.
??? How about the "battery whine" problem with Pocket PC ??? ;->
Like you said, it's a personal preference thing and beside the point.
I use mine for calender, contact, MP3, PDF ref, etc...
So do I.
That's what I want to know. How do I take a stream and have it split the pieces of the real audio stream as they come in? It's taking them in as a playlist and dumping them into one big mp3 file.
I could have swore there was an option to split on X size in mencoder.
No idea.
And that file is too unweildy for using with the MP3 player on my device, I fear.
No SD/MMC slot? My Kyocera 7135 / Treo 600 have been Godsends because they have that nice, small, little slot in their tough, rugged designs (I dropped the crap out of my phones -- and I've seen Pocket PCs crack on half the height).
*sigh*
Listen, my current cell phone works fine for me. I bike 20 miles a day to work. So I need my phone to be separate from my PDA so it can fly out of my bike shorts and slam on the ground at 30 mph. My PDA has a different usage pattern. So I'm not going to return my Pocket PC based on your recommendation. Can you stop with this?
I have an SD slot, my point is that I don't want to load up one gigantic MP3 file into the MP3 player application.
Besides, I don't want to have to copy that whole file at once. Or I'd like to be able to encode manually at a lower bitrate.
??? Mencoder has a lot of options, try'em out.
Okay.
Right now I'm using the command... /usr/bin/mplayer -playlist http://<servername>/feed.pls -dumpaudio -dumpfile atc.mp3
Depending on your MPlayer is built, it may take all the mencoder options. Play with them (hit the man page). Definitely RTFM here, sorry, but that's it.
Well, you should have just said RTFM and left it at that, probably.
Preston
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
So I need my phone to be separate from my PDA so it can fly out of my bike shorts and slam on the ground at 30 mph.
Wow! You sound _exactly_ like someone who hasn't seen the rugged Kyocera phones. And even the Treos are pretty sturdy (more so than Pocket PC PDAs/phones). Nothing like listening to some MP3s from a SD on a bike (yes, even this "Fat Guy" rides one ;-)!
So I'm not going to return my Pocket PC based on your recommendation.
Dude, I was just wondering how you evaluated. I'm sorry for even mentioning it, but you _did_ bring up the fact that you had to go Windows on a Linux list.
I thought I'd just mention the options you have for a Linux compatible device, that's all. Maybe someone _else_ might be intersted?
Can you stop with this?
Do you have a guilt complex or something?
REALITY CHECK:
_You_ didn't have to explain a thing about Windows or the fact that you have a Pocket PC, etc... just to ask about encoding. But you did. Sorry I mentioned what options you might have missed.
Maybe someone else will use the info next time. Okay?
I have an SD slot, my point is that I don't want to load up one gigantic MP3 file into the MP3 player application.
And this _entire_ question had what to do with needing a Pocket PC-based PDA? Again, _you_ introduced it. Now you're upset that I mentioned there were other options.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. But on a Linux list, when someone starts mentioning options and what things don't do that are Linux compatible, I tend to offer several options that do. That's all. Don't have a guilt complex or something because that's _not_ what I'm trying to do!
Well, you should have just said RTFM and left it at that, probably.
And you didn't need to say that you had to go Pocket PC just to ask a question about encoding.
I'm _not_ complaining you did. But I _am_ pointing out this fact, and why some asshole like myself might bring up the Linux compatible options out there.
This is _exactly_ what I mean about hypocrisy. I did *NOT* complain about you going on about Pocket PC why you couldn't use a Linux compatible device. But you _are_ complaining about I am mentioning some Linux alternatives that you ... obviously ... didn't bother to investigate.
Sorry to have "guilted" you on a Linux list, not my intent.
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
So I need my phone to be separate from my PDA so it can fly out of my bike shorts and slam on the ground at 30 mph.
Wow! You sound _exactly_ like someone who hasn't seen the rugged Kyocera phones. And even the Treos are pretty sturdy (more so than Pocket PC PDAs/phones). Nothing like listening to some MP3s from a SD on a bike (yes, even this "Fat Guy" rides one ;-)!
I don't ride while listening to MP3s. It's dangerous. I like to hear traffic. Why must we continue this, again?
So I'm not going to return my Pocket PC based on your recommendation.
Dude, I was just wondering how you evaluated. I'm sorry for even mentioning it, but you _did_ bring up the fact that you had to go Windows on a Linux list.
I said I had to go to Windows to install stuff on a Palmtop. I'm barely using Windows. It's sort of on topic, I guess, but it's really a non-issue.
I thought I'd just mention the options you have for a Linux compatible device, that's all. Maybe someone _else_ might be intersted?
Maybe.
Can you stop with this?
Do you have a guilt complex or something?
No. I'm just trying to stop these tit for tats before they get out of control. There's no point in discussing a decision I've made and won't change my mind on.
REALITY CHECK:
_You_ didn't have to explain a thing about Windows or the fact that you have a Pocket PC, etc... just to ask about
Of coures not and now I wish I didn't.
encoding. But you did. Sorry I mentioned what options you might have missed.
Maybe someone else will use the info next time. Okay?
Fine.
I have an SD slot, my point is that I don't want to load up one gigantic MP3 file into the MP3 player application.
And this _entire_ question had what to do with needing a Pocket PC-based PDA? Again, _you_ introduced it. Now you're upset that I mentioned there were other options.
I didn't think anything of it when I mentioned it. I saw it as an aside. It wasn't in the subject line. It wasn't the object of discussion. It was just a side fact.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. But on a Linux list, when someone starts mentioning options and what things don't do that are Linux compatible, I tend to offer several options that do. That's all. Don't have a guilt complex or something because that's _not_ what I'm trying to do!
No guilt here. I use the right tool for the right job. So I'm happy and don't need to justify why I bought what I bought.
Well, you should have just said RTFM and left it at that, probably.
And you didn't need to say that you had to go Pocket PC just to ask a question about encoding.
But that wasn't the question. It was just something I shouldn't have thrown in, apparently.
I'm _not_ complaining you did. But I _am_ pointing out this fact, and why some asshole like myself might bring up the Linux compatible options out there.
But it's kind of pointless when I already have the device in hand and am only asking about encoding.
This is _exactly_ what I mean about hypocrisy. I did *NOT* complain about you going on about Pocket PC why you couldn't use a Linux compatible device. But you _are_ complaining
"Going on"? I just mentioned as an aside that that's what I ended up with. I think the main reason I mentioned it was to say that I got a device that can play MP3s, thus now I'd like to start recording these streams. Nothing more.
about I am mentioning some Linux alternatives that you ... obviously ... didn't bother to investigate.
I did investigate. And I chose Pocket PC.
Sorry to have "guilted" you on a Linux list, not my intent.
?
Preston
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
No. I'm just trying to stop these tit for tats before they get out of control.
You took offense, not I. Then you tried to pin it on me. What is this "tit for tats" issue?
All I said was that if you're going to say something doesn't do what you need under Linux, I'm going to list some options. That's all. Don't take offense.
Of coures not and now I wish I didn't.
On a Linux list, it was unnecessary, just like this very next statement:
No guilt here. I use the right tool for the right job.
And by that statement, you're saying a Palm-based, Linux-compatible solution was not. I _only_ said "to each his own," but it sounded like there were many options you had not considered. You even started talking about price, which is one area where Palm is typically (and was in this case) cheaper.
Why oh why do people have to explain their non-Linux/non-Linux-compatible purchases by claiming things that might not be true in the eyes of others? That only means when some stupid schmuck like myself points out some Linux or Linux-comaptible options, you will get defensive.
I am so sorry I decided to mention things. I was not trying to "Challenge" you but everytime you made your very -- and quite unnecessary -- "excuses," you were basically saying "Palm doesn't do this, Palm doesn't do that, etc... Pocket PC was the only option for X, Y and Z" That's what I have problem with!
I really, _really_ tried to say "to each his own, if you like the way Pocket PC does this better, great." But you felt you had to justify it in another way. Why?
But it's kind of pointless when I already have the device in hand and am only asking about encoding.
But you are _asserting_ what is _not_ available in the Linux / Linux-compatible world. That's the problem.
I did investigate. And I chose Pocket PC.
But then you claimed things like capability, price, etc...
I am very, very, _very_ sorry you saw this as a "you must go Linux/Linux compatible." From the get-go you had a guilt complex, and were trying to make reasons why. Why did you do that?
99% of the time, you're only going to say things that aren't true. It's the worst-case-scenario I see from Linux advocates in the IT Profession -- they actually market against open by stating their non-open choice by falicies about the open option.
Just say you preferred the features and don't add the other.
I can't believe you've managed to go four posts with nothing to contribute but "RTFM".
-jim
Chris Mauritz wrote:
Preston Crawford wrote:
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Jim Bartus wrote:
I can't believe you've managed to go four posts with nothing to contribute but "RTFM".
-jim
Yes. And he wonders where he gets his reputation from....
I must have missed something. 8-) _______________________________________________
Your afore-mentioned filtering must *indeed* be working wonders :-).
William A. Mahaffey III wrote:
I must have missed something. 8-) _______________________________________________
Your afore-mentioned filtering must *indeed* be working wonders :-).
Yep. 8-)
I get to spend all that time freed up from the silliness to install CentOS on old PPC machines and donate them. Win...win!
Cheers,
On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 08:54, Chris Mauritz wrote:
Your afore-mentioned filtering must *indeed* be working wonders :-).
I get to spend all that time freed up from the silliness to install CentOS on old PPC machines and donate them. Win...win!
Yet another approach: find someone who can use them as thin clients with the Centos4-based k12ltsp at ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ that can network-boot (some) ppc machines as well as old x86 pcs. Where it works everybody wins because there is less work per client and the desktops run on a nice fast server instead of the slow boxes someone was throwing out.
Jim Bartus jbartus@advance.net wrote:
I can't believe you've managed to go four posts with nothing to contribute but "RTFM".
Do you know how many options there are to MP3 (among other) coding in mencoder? I was hoping he'd tell me more so I could help him nail them down. The man page is literally 100 pages long -- with about 50 options of hundreds of variables.
But apparently he's so busy telling us about his Pocket PC, and why there was no Linux optin, that he doesn't want to. And *I* get blamed for that, that is what really gets to me. I'm so damn sorry I even mentioned Palm was an option for some of us.
In fact, I'm sure if I gave him some set of options that didn't work for his Pocket PC device, I'd probably get yelled at for even offering the command. And God help me if I explained every option -- I'd get trashed for being overly verbose. Ironic because in most cases, I'm still "simplifying" over a man page or other web page.
I'm not supposed to be paranoid, yet we're getting responses like: "Yes. And he wonders where he gets his reputation from...."
Man, I am so damn sorry I try to help people sometimes. Everytime I make a suggestion about something, people think I'm establishing law. And if someone says that they don't do something because Linux is not the right tool, if I even say that I use Linux and do the same thing, I get chastized.
--- "Bryan J. Smith" b.j.smith@ieee.org wrote:
Jim Bartus jbartus@advance.net wrote:
I can't believe you've managed to go four posts
with
nothing to contribute but "RTFM".
Do you know how many options there are to MP3 (among other) coding in mencoder? I was hoping he'd tell me more so I could help him nail them down. The man page is literally 100 pages long -- with about 50 options of hundreds of variables.
But apparently he's so busy telling us about his Pocket PC, and why there was no Linux optin, that he doesn't want to. And *I* get blamed for that, that is what really gets to me. I'm so damn sorry I even mentioned Palm was an option for some of us.
In fact, I'm sure if I gave him some set of options that didn't work for his Pocket PC device, I'd probably get yelled at for even offering the command. And God help me if I explained every option -- I'd get trashed for being overly verbose. Ironic because in most cases, I'm still "simplifying" over a man page or other web page.
I'm not supposed to be paranoid, yet we're getting responses like: "Yes. And he wonders where he gets his reputation from...."
Man, I am so damn sorry I try to help people sometimes. Everytime I make a suggestion about something, people think I'm establishing law. And if someone says that they don't do something because Linux is not the right tool, if I even say that I use Linux and do the same thing, I get chastized.
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OK here we go again another F%@#ing flam war starting up!!!!!!
Debating how to filter with yahoo???? Or wondering if it would be benifical to unscribe altogether????
Pretty much getting sick and tired of the damn crap here... i can name a few, but it will not be worth me naming names because all that does is start the damn finger pointing.....I dont care who or what or F#@%ing why just cut the damn crap out!! Sounds like a bunch of old bitties bicker back and forth about the petty stuff!
Enough. Really. You whiny little bitches all over who have to moan and complain at each other win. I'll learn elsewhere. I unsubscribe. Congrats - thanks for being such a friendly, open, adult community of users.
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
No. I'm just trying to stop these tit for tats before they get out of control.
You took offense, not I. Then you tried to pin it on me. What is this "tit for tats" issue?
I think you're missing the point. I mentioned my choice of palmtop as an aside. You used it as a launching pad to try to convince me I was wrong about something (wow, shocker). And I was simply trying to stamp out that fire. You won't let it go, though. You have to be right, always.
All I said was that if you're going to say something doesn't do what you need under Linux, I'm going to list some options. That's all. Don't take offense.
Not taking offense, just don't understand the point of it all.
Of coures not and now I wish I didn't.
On a Linux list, it was unnecessary, just like this very next statement:
It was an aside. If that's your criteria of unnecessary then 50% of what gets posted is "unnecessary". You're so fixated on being "right" that you're spinning webs of logic that don't connect.
No guilt here. I use the right tool for the right job.
And by that statement, you're saying a Palm-based, Linux-compatible solution was not. I _only_ said "to each his own," but it sounded like there were many options you had not considered. You even started talking about price, which is one area where Palm is typically (and was in this case) cheaper.
If you wanted that kind of device and a phone to boot. Please, no more of this. For my purposes the Pocket PC was the right tool for the right job. Do you even understand what that phrase means? Right tool means the correct tool. Right job means for a specific job. In my case the specific job and what I wanted out of a PDA meant a Pocket PC was a better choice. You take that and turn it into some kind of holy war, it's ridiculous.
Why oh why do people have to explain their non-Linux/non-Linux-compatible purchases by claiming things that might not be true in the eyes of others? That only
Ummm... huh? So if someone buys anything that isn't Linux they have to answer for it?
means when some stupid schmuck like myself points out some Linux or Linux-comaptible options, you will get defensive.
No, not defensive, just really tired of your verbal onslaughts that come out of left field.
I am so sorry I decided to mention things. I was not trying to "Challenge" you but everytime you made your very -- and quite unnecessary -- "excuses," you were basically saying "Palm doesn't do this, Palm doesn't do that, etc... Pocket PC was the only option for X, Y and Z" That's what I have problem with!
Why are these "excuses" to you? I made a choice. The choice that was best for me. It's funny that in your world I have to justify my PDA purchase to you, otherwise I'm making "excuses". Hello, I'm from Earth, where are you from?
I really, _really_ tried to say "to each his own, if you like the way Pocket PC does this better, great." But you felt you had to justify it in another way. Why?
????
But it's kind of pointless when I already have the device in hand and am only asking about encoding.
But you are _asserting_ what is _not_ available in the Linux / Linux-compatible world. That's the problem.
Now that's not THE problem, that's YOUR created problem.
I did investigate. And I chose Pocket PC.
But then you claimed things like capability, price, etc...
I am very, very, _very_ sorry you saw this as a "you must go Linux/Linux compatible." From the get-go you had a guilt complex, and were trying to make reasons why. Why did you do that?
Guilt complex? What are you talking about? I have no clue what you're talking about. You're raving mad.
99% of the time, you're only going to say things that aren't true. It's the worst-case-scenario I see from Linux advocates in the IT Profession -- they actually market against open by stating their non-open choice by falicies about the open option.
?????
Just say you preferred the features and don't add the other.
Don't tell me what to say and not say. I think I was pretty clear. You have a problem. A big one. You fixated on something very small and blew it up, yet again.
Therapy...
post-haste
Preston
Preston Crawford wrote:
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
No. I'm just trying to stop these tit for tats before they get out of control.
You took offense, not I. Then you tried to pin it on me. What is this "tit for tats" issue?
I think you're missing the point. I mentioned my choice of palmtop as an aside. You used it as a launching pad to try to convince me I was wrong about something (wow, shocker). And I was simply trying to stamp out that fire. You won't let it go, though. You have to be right, always.
All I said was that if you're going to say something doesn't do what you need under Linux, I'm going to list some options. That's all. Don't take offense.
Not taking offense, just don't understand the point of it all.
Of coures not and now I wish I didn't.
On a Linux list, it was unnecessary, just like this very next statement:
It was an aside. If that's your criteria of unnecessary then 50% of what gets posted is "unnecessary". You're so fixated on being "right" that you're spinning webs of logic that don't connect.
No guilt here. I use the right tool for the right job.
And by that statement, you're saying a Palm-based, Linux-compatible solution was not. I _only_ said "to each his own," but it sounded like there were many options you had not considered. You even started talking about price, which is one area where Palm is typically (and was in this case) cheaper.
If you wanted that kind of device and a phone to boot. Please, no more of this. For my purposes the Pocket PC was the right tool for the right job. Do you even understand what that phrase means? Right tool means the correct tool. Right job means for a specific job. In my case the specific job and what I wanted out of a PDA meant a Pocket PC was a better choice. You take that and turn it into some kind of holy war, it's ridiculous.
Why oh why do people have to explain their non-Linux/non-Linux-compatible purchases by claiming things that might not be true in the eyes of others? That only
Ummm... huh? So if someone buys anything that isn't Linux they have to answer for it?
means when some stupid schmuck like myself points out some Linux or Linux-comaptible options, you will get defensive.
No, not defensive, just really tired of your verbal onslaughts that come out of left field.
I am so sorry I decided to mention things. I was not trying to "Challenge" you but everytime you made your very -- and quite unnecessary -- "excuses," you were basically saying "Palm doesn't do this, Palm doesn't do that, etc... Pocket PC was the only option for X, Y and Z" That's what I have problem with!
Why are these "excuses" to you? I made a choice. The choice that was best for me. It's funny that in your world I have to justify my PDA purchase to you, otherwise I'm making "excuses". Hello, I'm from Earth, where are you from?
I really, _really_ tried to say "to each his own, if you like the way Pocket PC does this better, great." But you felt you had to justify it in another way. Why?
????
But it's kind of pointless when I already have the device in hand and am only asking about encoding.
But you are _asserting_ what is _not_ available in the Linux / Linux-compatible world. That's the problem.
Now that's not THE problem, that's YOUR created problem.
I did investigate. And I chose Pocket PC.
But then you claimed things like capability, price, etc...
I am very, very, _very_ sorry you saw this as a "you must go Linux/Linux compatible." From the get-go you had a guilt complex, and were trying to make reasons why. Why did you do that?
Guilt complex? What are you talking about? I have no clue what you're talking about. You're raving mad.
99% of the time, you're only going to say things that aren't true. It's the worst-case-scenario I see from Linux advocates in the IT Profession -- they actually market against open by stating their non-open choice by falicies about the open option.
?????
Just say you preferred the features and don't add the other.
Don't tell me what to say and not say. I think I was pretty clear. You have a problem. A big one. You fixated on something very small and blew it up, yet again.
Therapy...
post-haste
Preston _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hello -
I'd just like to take a moment to thank all the members who have kicked up the volume on this particular thread in the last few hours.
Why, might you ask? Well, that's simple. I'm at work, bored off my ass. I wanted to plow through the archives that were in my inbox to try to learn a few things today, but it's a little difficult when there's so much excrement from all you people who think that your personal stabs to eachother actually mean something, and even moreso to those who take offense to these stabs.
Since no one wants to see moderation, how about this: We'll keep a master list somewhere (hell, I'll even host it), that contains all the addresses that the select few of you you foul-mouthed blabbering belligerent fools use, so that us who chose to productively contribute and read, can do so in pease. This list would be freely available to anyone who may want to incorporate it with SpamAssassin, procmail, or MTA rulesets.
How's that sound? And no - I am not kidding. I don't want to come off as an ass, but in all honesty, can you blame me? This is the third time that something like this has happened in the past single week.
Thanks! -dant
"dan.trainor" dan.trainor@gmail.com wrote:
How's that sound? And no - I am not kidding. I don't want to come off as an ass, but in all honesty, can you blame
me?
This is the third time that something like this has
happened
in the past single week.
It's interesting to note the "questions" are coming from people with various stories and/or don't want to read the man page or literally don't want to believe how things work.
Now I fully admit I'm an ass sometimes for taking too many posts to wish people who read up on things or get first-hand knowledge. But man, I've tried to answer questions, and I tire of people who believe there are no existing options.
Again, from now on, _all_ answers I provide will be _off-list_. That way no one can be offended in front of the list, period.
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
"dan.trainor" dan.trainor@gmail.com wrote:
How's that sound? And no - I am not kidding. I don't want to come off as an ass, but in all honesty, can you blame
me?
This is the third time that something like this has
happened
in the past single week.
It's interesting to note the "questions" are coming from people with various stories and/or don't want to read the man page or literally don't want to believe how things work.
Now I fully admit I'm an ass sometimes for taking too many posts to wish people who read up on things or get first-hand knowledge. But man, I've tried to answer questions, and I tire of people who believe there are no existing options.
Again, from now on, _all_ answers I provide will be _off-list_. That way no one can be offended in front of the list, period.
Great, we appreciate it. That'll cut down at least half of the volume.
Just answer the questions. Do give honest advice. Do not flame. Do use soap. Do not preach Christianity. Do not tell right from wrong. Do use real-world examples of where your suggestion would be applicable. Do contribute, but remember that you're talking to people, too. Give us a chance, and we'll return the same promptness and courtesy that I have seen you contribute this list for quite a while now.
Your input is greatly appreciated, but your switch offensive/defensive attitude is not.
Thanks for understanding -dant
dan.trainor wrote:
Great, we appreciate it. That'll cut down at least half of the volume.
Just answer the questions. Do give honest advice. Do not flame. Do use soap. Do not preach Christianity. Do not tell right from wrong. Do use real-world examples of where your suggestion would be applicable. Do contribute, but remember that you're talking to people, too. Give us a chance, and we'll return the same promptness and courtesy that I have seen you contribute this list for quite a while now.
Your input is greatly appreciated, but your switch offensive/defensive attitude is not.
This is the sort of mail I view as 'spam', thrash, and an utter waste.
Bryan's mails have content, a point, and a huge volume of information (for better or worse). They are one of the few mails I bother to read on this list, as it's quite obvious he knows what he is talking about - and anything I've seen posted is of use (or I could view it as having possible use at some point).
Mails bitching about people who bother to reply, and the fashion in which they reply however, are trivial, and have no purpose/point - meaning I have the same belief in this email.
The topics on this list should be CentOS-based, yes, however as with any list, there is a certain amount of off-topic posts - however I think once their kept technical, they can be as interesting and informative (useful) as any on-topic post.
If everyone was to have their opinion made as a rule, there would be no postings on this list, as I'm sure nearly every post on the list, will piss off at least one person.
So hows about leaving the bitchy/non-technical/trivial posts off the list - if you have something to contribute to the topic on hand, posting is great to see, if your posting however, purely to point out a fault in someone's grammar/spelling/attitude, I think it would be best to do it off-list.
Regards,
Sean
The problem is that I don't get "defensive" until people psycho-analyze me directly.
Take for example this latest post ...
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-September/012024.html
"This list is completely useless if you're going to be attacked constantly by the likes of Bryan without anyone else stepping in and putting a stop to it."
One quick trip to the CentOS archives will show that Mr. Preston entered not 1 but *2* prior threadds just to criticize me. How non-objective can he be? But when I do it, it's an "attack."
"I apologize and I admit it was wrong to continue an OT post here. But I was just trying to defend myself."
Ahhh, that age-old excuse. Not even *I* claim "I'm just defending myself." I take full ownership of what I do. But apparently I piss off almost everyone in a room according to Mr. Preston.
Unobjective hypocrisy. I'm honest and take ownership. Select others aren't honest and man they never take ownership without a "but ...".
Sorry, that was meant for Dan Trainor only.
[ FYI, I have formally asked that my posts be blocked from reaching the list. That will solve any chance like this. ]
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 17:20 -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
The problem is that I don't get "defensive" until people psycho-analyze me directly.
Take for example this latest post ...
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-September/012024.html
"This list is completely useless if you're going to be attacked constantly by the likes of Bryan without anyone else stepping in and putting a stop to it."
One quick trip to the CentOS archives will show that Mr. Preston entered not 1 but *2* prior threadds just to criticize me. How non-objective can he be? But when I do it, it's an "attack."
"I apologize and I admit it was wrong to continue an OT post here. But I was just trying to defend myself."
Ahhh, that age-old excuse. Not even *I* claim "I'm just defending myself." I take full ownership of what I do. But apparently I piss off almost everyone in a room according to Mr. Preston.
Unobjective hypocrisy. I'm honest and take ownership. Select others aren't honest and man they never take ownership without a "but ...".
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
I don't ride while listening to MP3s. It's dangerous. I like to hear traffic.
I don't know about you, but I use a single earpiece-mic (with button on mic) wire -- one ear. I then leave the other ear free for listening to traffic. Since I ride on the right side of the road (for those of us in the US), that earpiece goes in my right ear, leaving my left free to listen for traffic.
I can listen to my MP3s (not only music, but personal notes I take when I work), hear incoming calls (over any MP3 playback), answer incoming calls (pauses MP3s playback), make calls with voice dialing, etc...
About the only thing I don't do on the Linux PC is record the voice names and associate them with contacts for voice dialing. Everything else -- calendaring, contacts, MP3 uploads/playlist editing, etc.... is done on the MP3.
As I said, don't make excuses, I'm not asking for them. If you make excuses, I might share my "to each his own." But I will _never_ assert it's "the right tool for the job." It's just what I want, and what works for me.
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
I don't ride while listening to MP3s. It's dangerous. I like to hear traffic.
I don't know about you, but I use a single earpiece-mic (with button on mic) wire -- one ear. I then leave the other ear free for listening to traffic. Since I ride on the right side of the road (for those of us in the US), that earpiece goes in my right ear, leaving my left free to listen for traffic.
That still sounds dangerous to me. But hey, you're free to ride how you wish. I don't know why you're talking about it here.
I can listen to my MP3s (not only music, but personal notes I take when I work), hear incoming calls (over any MP3 playback), answer incoming calls (pauses MP3s playback), make calls with voice dialing, etc...
Good for you.
About the only thing I don't do on the Linux PC is record the voice names and associate them with contacts for voice dialing. Everything else -- calendaring, contacts, MP3 uploads/playlist editing, etc.... is done on the MP3.
Good for you.
As I said, don't make excuses, I'm not asking for them. If you make excuses, I might share my "to each his own." But I will _never_ assert it's "the right tool for the job." It's just what I want, and what works for me.
"don't make excuses, I'm not asking for them"????
What are you talking about? Are you off your rocker? Nevermind, don't answer that.
For my purposes a Pocket PC is the right tool for the right job, period, end of story. How can you tell me what the right tool is for what I need? You wonder why you have a reputation. Criminy.
Preston
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
Right now I'm using the command... /usr/bin/mplayer -playlist http://<servername>/feed.pls -dumpaudio -dumpfile atc.mp3
Again, RTFM. This isn't an answer that is "use command X with options Y" non-sense. Encoding is VERY SUBJECTIVE -- and I make the assumption you are using "lame" as your encoder! I've tried to _minimize_ by post as best as I can, but I'm sure some people will privately (or even publicly) bitch, moan and otherwise complain. I ask you to read the man page, especially the "-lameopts," or you'll have to if you're not using "lame."
- SPLITTING FILES
To split files, the option is "-endpos". You can put it in terms of hh:mm:ss.mm (integers default to seconds), or bytes (b), kilobytes (kb) or megabytes (mb).
E.g., to encode files to 1MiB each:
/usr/bin/mplayer -endpos 1mb -playlist http://<servername>/feed.pls -dumpaudio -dumpfile atc.mp3
Now you'll probably have to loop during recording. E.g.,
for i in `seq -f %03g 1 100; do /usr/bin/mplayer -endpos 1mb -playlist http://<servername>/feed.pls -dumpaudio -dumpfile atc${i}.mp3 done
You will probably get dummy, near-0 byte length files at the end -- or hit Ctrl-C when your program has ended.
- FIDELITY AND BIT-RATE OPTIONS
Bitrate and fidelity matters on what codec you are using. Newer MPlayer releases is using the "lavc" method. There are various programs it can use, but "lame" is what I use. Here are the options for the "lame" encoder.
-oac mp3lame
Now you have to talk about the algorithm to the encoding rate. This is why I said RTFM. Assuming you're using lame, read up the manpage on "-lameopts". The two base modes I typically use are constant bit rate (CBR) and average bit rate (ABR). ABR is typically recommended, although try CBR if you have troubles with ABR -- passes might be an issue with real-time encoding.
Then there is the actual bitrate option in kpbs.
Then there are more subjective quality, algorithm quality, compression, etc...
So if you just want me to give you a set of options to try, since it sounds like you're listening to voice, use ABR with a bit-rate of 64kbps and see how that works.
-lameopts vbr=3:br=64
Again, there are no less than 30+ options/variables for just the lame encoder for MP3 under mencoder. This is highly subjective, so I leave it to you to explore further.
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 13:32 -0700, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Again, RTFM. This isn't an answer that is "use command X with options Y" non-sense. Encoding is VERY SUBJECTIVE -- and I make the assumption you are using "lame" as your encoder! I've tried to _minimize_ by post as best as I can, but I'm sure some people will privately (or even publicly) bitch, moan and otherwise complain. I ask you to read the man page, especially the "-lameopts," or you'll have to if you're not using "lame."
- SPLITTING FILES
To split files, the option is "-endpos". You can put it in terms of hh:mm:ss.mm (integers default to seconds), or bytes (b), kilobytes (kb) or megabytes (mb).
I'll check into that. My main goal, in the end, is to break these files off where they logically break off in the playlist. If you look at a Real Audio playlist it usually has a file that defines a bunch of other streams. I'd want to (and I once wrote a script that does this, but lost it and don't particularly feel like recreating it) have it broken down into the same logical breaks that NPR breaks it down into.
Now you have to talk about the algorithm to the encoding rate. This is why I said RTFM. Assuming you're using lame, read up the manpage on "-lameopts". The two base modes I typically use are constant bit rate (CBR) and average bit rate (ABR). ABR is typically recommended, although try CBR if you have troubles with ABR -- passes might be an issue with real-time encoding.
Then there is the actual bitrate option in kpbs.
Then there are more subjective quality, algorithm quality, compression, etc...
So if you just want me to give you a set of options to try, since it sounds like you're listening to voice, use ABR with a bit-rate of 64kbps and see how that works.
-lameopts vbr=3:br=64
Thanks.
Again, there are no less than 30+ options/variables for just the lame encoder for MP3 under mencoder. This is highly subjective, so I leave it to you to explore further.
I will. I appreciate the help.
Preston
Preston and Bryan,
Since your exchange has very little to do with CentOS, please take it off line. No need to reply, just do it.
Marko
On Thu, September 15, 2005 8:41 am, Preston Crawford said:
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
So I got a new Pocket PC this weekend (yes, you read that right, sorry, don't like the Palms on offer currently
Did you try the Treos? I really can't stand a "start bar" in a palm. Slows me down. But to each his own.
Understand. My price point is lower, unfortunately. Around $300. And at that price point it's Tungstens and Zires. And all of them either have poor displays (visually) or that screen whine problem. Like you said, it's a personal preference thing and beside the point.
and I can at least install software on it via Windows on VMWare).
Which means you're running Windows, no difference.
Again, to each his own, but I like a device I have total control over under Linux. I've been using a Treo 600 for over a year, a Kyocera 7135 for 2 years before that and a Kyocerta 6035 2 years before that (going back to early 2001).
Which really is beside the point and I probably shouldn't have mentioned it so this didn't turn into a "why aren't you using Linux and a Palm" issue.
One of the main things I wanted to do with it is get Audible.com again and listen to All Things Considered from NPR on the way home like I used to. Now I find out they not only don't have an agreement with Audible any longer where I can pay them for this service, but now they are podcasting, but not the whole show. *sigh* So what to do.... My thinking is to capture the stream from local affiliate and time shift until I leave work. But how do I do this (I know how to use dump with mplayer for this) without getting one gigantic file? Anyone have any experience with this?
No, but mplayer can split files IIRC.
That's what I want to know. How do I take a stream and have it split the pieces of the real audio stream as they come in? It's taking them in as a playlist and dumping them into one big mp3 file. And that file is too unweildy for using with the MP3 player on my device, I fear. Besides, I don't want to have to copy that whole file at once. Or I'd like to be able to encode manually at a lower bitrate. Right now I'm using the command...
/usr/bin/mplayer -playlist http://<servername>/feed.pls -dumpaudio -dumpfile atc.mp3
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"Marko A. Jennings" markobiz@bluegargoyle.com wrote:
Preston and Bryan, Since your exchange has very little to do with CentOS, please take it off line. No need to reply, just do it.
Fair enough.
I will only post technical follow-ups on this post of mine: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-September/012012.html
Which does provide some simplified, technical answers that try to summarize the extensive number of options in the man page.
Preston Crawford wrote:
So I got a new Pocket PC this weekend (yes, you read that right, sorry, don't like the Palms on offer currently and I can at least install software on it via Windows on VMWare). One of the main things I wanted to do with it is get Audible.com again and listen to All Things Considered from NPR on the way home like I used to. Now I find out they not only don't have an agreement with Audible any longer where I can pay them for this service, but now they are podcasting, but not the whole show. *sigh*
So what to do.... My thinking is to capture the stream from local affiliate and time shift until I leave work. But how do I do this (I know how to use dump with mplayer for this) without getting one gigantic file? Anyone have any experience with this?
I had good luck recording mp3 streams with the combo of streamtuner and streamripper. YMMV:
http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/ http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/
Streamtuner had a "record" button that called streamripper at the end of the day - very convenient.
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