Hi
I am using Centos 4.3 to host various web sites that I maintain. I am finding that I am getting more and more, and I have thought of setting up a hosting server to make things quicker for my self. I have setup webmin with virtualmin and it seems to work fine so far. What is everyone else using. I don't want to invest alot of money, but would like some thing that is quick and easy to setup a domain and mysql database, ftp etc. Right now I have to edit httpd, etc etc.
Thanks
Mace
From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Mace Eliason Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:11 AM To: 'Centos Mailing list' Subject: [CentOS] Hosting Hi I am using Centos 4.3 to host various web sites that I maintain. I am finding that I am getting more and more, and I have thought of setting up a hosting server to make things quicker for my self. I have setup webmin with virtualmin and it seems to work fine so far. What is everyone else using. I don't want to invest alot of money, but would like some thing that is quick and easy to setup a domain and mysql database, ftp etc. Right now I have to edit httpd, etc etc. Thanks Mace
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I also use webmin/virtualmin and it seems to work fine.
Mike
Howdy,
I use Cpanel currently, and have tried two other products in the past.
It creates all of the FTP/www/mysql/mailman/ssh and other essentials in mere seconds. It has about 25-35 different packages that it enables, like phpBB, php-nuke, post-nuke, e-107, mambo, geeklog, OSCommerce carts, you name it. All from a single command line.
Hook it up to your favorite domain provider through a vendor relationship, you can automate the entire domain selection/ web hosting/ site creation paradigm. I'm used to having someone up in 10 minutes once they tell me the domain name desired, or they input it into my forms.
Last step once you are big enough, is to hook in an online payment API like modernbill or ensim or other, these integrate with Cpanel, Plesk, H-Shpere and the like, and basically look/ feel like what the rest of the net runs when you visit folks like powersurge.net or whomever else of the bazillion hosting firms are out there.
Be you small fry or juggernaut, most folks are using either Plesk or Cpanel or H-Sphere type tools to automate their hosted environments.
A yearly license is around 400 US (install is included free of charge), but totally worth it when you consider it takes alot of time to sit and edit your zone files in DNS manually, httpd.conf, and mysql command, and FTP server commands.
Ick, it makes me shudder to remember back to those days. whew. those darn typos every now and again in a virtualhost directory statement, or worse yet, a missing dot or forgotten serial number increment in a zone file.
CentOS is the favorite of Cpanel and H-Shpere vendors these days, and Plesk seems to be a WinTel type firm, -who's coders and support teams are based in yes, Russia. Cpanel is in Virginia I think, and H-sphere/Comodo are canada/germany combo, known as Positive Software, but under constant internal shift for whatever reason.
Cpanel has shown me the best support model, when they fail to answer a question I ask for two hours (once in 2 years), they automatically award you a high-priority $65.00 phone incident. They are fast and won't leave you hanging, often just beaming onto the server and fixing rare breakage one might cause performing normal maintenance.
CentOS is highly appealing because the user community is deeply informative and quick to respond. This is perhaps one of the many reasons vendors put in one of the top positions for what OS to install their product on, if not *the* top.
-be well, and good luck in your hosting!
-karlski
Hi
I am using Centos 4.3 to host various web sites that I maintain. I am finding that I am getting more and more, and I have thought of setting up a hosting server to make things quicker for my self. I have setup webmin with virtualmin and it seems to work fine so far. What is everyone else using. I don't want to invest alot of money, but would like some thing that is quick and easy to setup a domain and mysql database, ftp etc. Right now I have to edit httpd, etc etc.
Thanks
Mace _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
Howdy,
I use Cpanel currently, and have tried two other products in the past.
It creates all of the FTP/www/mysql/mailman/ssh and other essentials in mere seconds. It has about 25-35 different packages that it enables, like phpBB, php-nuke, post-nuke, e-107, mambo, geeklog, OSCommerce carts, you name it. All from a single command line.
cPanel is also insecure, and does not use CentOS packages for core operations. ( including httpd / php / ftp etc ) - and for their own packages, they usually take months and months to fix security issues ( if they are ever fixed ).
Using or trying to use CentOS packages in place of those cPanel packages will render the machine unusable.
Just look at the stream of cPanel users with hacked machines that come through the #centos@irc.freenode.net channel
so... when you think about Control / web panels' look at security and where the packages are going to come from....
On Monday 10 July 2006 19:48, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote:
Howdy,
I use Cpanel currently, and have tried two other products in the past.
It creates all of the FTP/www/mysql/mailman/ssh and other essentials in mere seconds. It has about 25-35 different packages that it enables, like phpBB, php-nuke, post-nuke, e-107, mambo, geeklog, OSCommerce carts, you name it. All from a single command line.
Hook it up to your favorite domain provider through a vendor relationship, you can automate the entire domain selection/ web hosting/ site creation paradigm. I'm used to having someone up in 10 minutes once they tell me the domain name desired, or they input it into my forms.
Last step once you are big enough, is to hook in an online payment API like modernbill or ensim or other, these integrate with Cpanel, Plesk, H-Shpere and the like, and basically look/ feel like what the rest of the net runs when you visit folks like powersurge.net or whomever else of the bazillion hosting firms are out there.
Be you small fry or juggernaut, most folks are using either Plesk or Cpanel or H-Sphere type tools to automate their hosted environments.
A yearly license is around 400 US (install is included free of charge), but totally worth it when you consider it takes alot of time to sit and edit your zone files in DNS manually, httpd.conf, and mysql command, and FTP server commands.
Ick, it makes me shudder to remember back to those days. whew. those darn typos every now and again in a virtualhost directory statement, or worse yet, a missing dot or forgotten serial number increment in a zone file.
CentOS is the favorite of Cpanel and H-Shpere vendors these days, and Plesk seems to be a WinTel type firm, -who's coders and support teams are based in yes, Russia. Cpanel is in Virginia I think, and H-sphere/Comodo are canada/germany combo, known as Positive Software, but under constant internal shift for whatever reason.
Cpanel has shown me the best support model, when they fail to answer a question I ask for two hours (once in 2 years), they automatically award you a high-priority $65.00 phone incident. They are fast and won't leave you hanging, often just beaming onto the server and fixing rare breakage one might cause performing normal maintenance.
CentOS is highly appealing because the user community is deeply informative and quick to respond. This is perhaps one of the many reasons vendors put in one of the top positions for what OS to install their product on, if not *the* top.
-be well, and good luck in your hosting!
-karlski
Hi
I am using Centos 4.3 to host various web sites that I maintain. I am finding that I am getting more and more, and I have thought of setting up a hosting server to make things quicker for my self. I have setup webmin with virtualmin and it seems to work fine so far. What is everyone else using. I don't want to invest alot of money, but would like some thing that is quick and easy to setup a domain and mysql database, ftp etc. Right now I have to edit httpd, etc etc.
Thanks
Mace _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Recently i configured a webserver for a friend of mine and webmin was what the webmaster enjoyed the most :)
I find it easy to setup and once you cut off ¾ of the icons on the webmin interface it starts to look good.
I never trusted cpannel, things break here and there for no reason.
later, charles
Charles Lacroix wrote:
[please trim your mails, some of us only have 10GB of mail storage]
Recently i configured a webserver for a friend of mine and webmin was what the webmaster enjoyed the most :)
I find it easy to setup and once you cut off ¾ of the icons on the webmin interface it starts to look good.
I never trusted cpannel, things break here and there for no reason.
I never trusted webmin, seeing how many exploits (even root exploits) were available for it. usermin was the last I saw a warning for.
Cheers,
Ralph
On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 15:24 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Charles Lacroix wrote:
[please trim your mails, some of us only have 10GB of mail storage]
Recently i configured a webserver for a friend of mine and webmin was what the webmaster enjoyed the most :)
I find it easy to setup and once you cut off ¾ of the icons on the webmin interface it starts to look good.
I never trusted cpannel, things break here and there for no reason.
I never trusted webmin, seeing how many exploits (even root exploits) were available for it. usermin was the last I saw a warning for.
---- I don't/won't use usermin so I can't comment on that but Jamie is so quick with updates that webmin is hardly a security issue if you regularly yum update and install webmin from dag/rpmforge
Webmin was invaluable to me as a learning tool (before I figured out where the config files were buried) and I use it as a leave behind mainly for my customers to use the LDAP Users/Groups to add/delete users and if necessary, the shut down the beast since there is rarely a keyboard/mouse/monitor on the servers.
I still use webmin for DHCP and BIND server configuration because it makes it really simple.
Craig
I would agree cPanel is not for the sys admins. I wrong move and the system will stop functioning and usually a reinstall of the OS + cPanel has been the suggested solution.
When I worked in the hosting biz (SiteAmerica) it was all perl CGI in house, completely undocumented.
Mace Eliason wrote:
Hi
I am using Centos 4.3 to host various web sites that I maintain. I am finding that I am getting more and more, and I have thought of setting up a hosting server to make things quicker for my self. I have setup webmin with virtualmin and it seems to work fine so far. What is everyone else using. I don't want to invest alot of money, but would like some thing that is quick and easy to setup a domain and mysql database, ftp etc. Right now I have to edit httpd, etc etc.
Thanks
Mace
I use Webmin and am really happy with it. No, it doesn't have the automated powers of Plesk or Cpanel, but it doesn't have any limitations that I know of. (and you can always script those additional packages on install)
I have many times customized accounts via the command-line. So far, Webmin has never balked. To my understanding, Plesk and Cpanel need you to operate totally under their GUI (or by knowing the GUI inside and out), which to me limits my abilities. If you're doing nothing but plain Jane hosting, the others would be better.. but if you want to keep the hands on control when you want it... Webmin is likely the better choice. Actually, Webmin has taught me a lot.. alternative ways of doing things. Viewing what Webmin does in the config files and where is a great learning tool.
I would not have recommended it a couple of years ago.. but I do think it has come along into a very nice application and has some really good backing by Open Country.
Best, John Hinton
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:10:40AM -0700, Mace Eliason wrote:
Hi
I am using Centos 4.3 to host various web sites that I maintain. I am finding that I am getting more and more, and I have thought of setting up a hosting server to make things quicker for my self. I have setup webmin with virtualmin and it seems to work fine so far. What is everyone else using. I don't want to invest alot of money, but would like some thing that is quick and easy to setup a domain and mysql database, ftp etc. Right now I have to edit httpd, etc etc.
I know I'm a weirdo, but my "control panel" is actually MySQL.
When I install a new server, I also install a set of custom packages, and after that point, 99.9% of the server is controled using MySQL. I want to include a new domain ? Good, I just add it to a couple tables in MySQL, and it is done. E-Mail, web, everything is controled there. I only need a couple scripts for the initial setup (for now, I'm working on getting rid of those) of some directories, and from that point on, everything is done either using mysql CLI, or any other mysql client.
Yes, that means I have to maintain some packages myself. But since all my customizations are in the form for patches, I can simply get a new src.rpm whenever a security fix is released, change the specfile to use my patch, and I'm done. Usually takes 10 minutes of work tops. Sometimes even less.
Having everything on MySQL is also great when I need to generate reports. That was the original reason for my project, to be able to create custom reports in a matter of minutes.
I'm currently working on a MySQL based webhosting solution. It should be ready in about 10 years or so, so don't hold your breath.
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