On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:33 AM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a setting somewhere in the "global" arena of CentOS that controls whether or not "hidden" (.prefixed) files are displayed in file lists?
Never mind - apparently if you right-click in the file list and select "show hidden files", it sticks system-wide.
mhr
MHR wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:33 AM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a setting somewhere in the "global" arena of CentOS that controls whether or not "hidden" (.prefixed) files are displayed in file lists?
Never mind - apparently if you right-click in the file list and select "show hidden files", it sticks system-wide.
by changing the Subject line, and not retaining the reply-to context in the mailheaders, you end up creating a new thread each time. so can you not do that please ?
- KB
on 8-26-2008 4:16 AM Karanbir Singh spake the following:
MHR wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:33 AM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a setting somewhere in the "global" arena of CentOS that controls whether or not "hidden" (.prefixed) files are displayed in file lists?
Never mind - apparently if you right-click in the file list and select "show hidden files", it sticks system-wide.
by changing the Subject line, and not retaining the reply-to context in the mailheaders, you end up creating a new thread each time. so can you not do that please ?
- KB
Gmail also seems to sometimes munge the threading headers.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
on 8-26-2008 4:16 AM Karanbir Singh spake the following:
by changing the Subject line, and not retaining the reply-to context in the mailheaders, you end up creating a new thread each time. so can you not do that please ?
Gmail also seems to sometimes munge the threading headers.
If you click the "Edit Subject" link in gmail, it discards the other threading headers. Gmail will only let you continue a thread if you leave the subject unchanged.
This does prevent the oft-seen complaint about people using the "reply" action to start a new thread.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Bart Schaefer barton.schaefer@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
on 8-26-2008 4:16 AM Karanbir Singh spake the following:
by changing the Subject line, and not retaining the reply-to context in the mailheaders, you end up creating a new thread each time. so can you not do that please ?
Gmail also seems to sometimes munge the threading headers.
If you click the "Edit Subject" link in gmail, it discards the other threading headers. Gmail will only let you continue a thread if you leave the subject unchanged.
This does prevent the oft-seen complaint about people using the "reply" action to start a new thread.
Strange - I used to do that (edit the subject, in gmail) to start a new thread and it did not do the right thing either.
I don't do that any more, but yowch!
(heavy sigh, Orcan smile)
mhr
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
by changing the Subject line, and not retaining the reply-to context in the mailheaders, you end up creating a new thread each time. so can you not do that please ?
Hmm - I did that on purpose because (I thought) I had been soundly thrashed in prior efforts for not doing that.
So, to clarify: when an issue is solved, modify the subject: line so to indicate and do NOT start a new thread?
Foo - I thought I had it right this time....
mhr
MHR wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
by changing the Subject line, and not retaining the reply-to context in the mailheaders, you end up creating a new thread each time. so can you not do that please ?
Hmm - I did that on purpose because (I thought) I had been soundly thrashed in prior efforts for not doing that.
So, to clarify: when an issue is solved, modify the subject: line so to indicate and do NOT start a new thread?
Foo - I thought I had it right this time....
I, for one, dont think its worth wasting time with the SOLVED word in the subject lines. noone searches through achieves with the word 'SOLVED' in there.
But, whatever people do - thread sanity is way more important than changing subject lines. people looking for info on a topic almost always follow threads.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
I, for one, dont think its worth wasting time with the SOLVED word in the subject lines. noone searches through achieves with the word 'SOLVED' in there.
Actually, if I thought I would find it on a reliable basis, I would. But I suppose that just putting the word "SOLVED" at the front of the email (or front of the bottom-post part) would work for that as well.
But, whatever people do - thread sanity is way more important than changing subject lines. people looking for info on a topic almost always follow threads.
Good point - well taken. I will keep this in mind for future posts that fit the category.
Thanks.
mhr
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
MHR wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
by changing the Subject line, and not retaining the reply-to context in the mailheaders, you end up creating a new thread each time. so can you not do that please ?
Hmm - I did that on purpose because (I thought) I had been soundly thrashed in prior efforts for not doing that.
So, to clarify: when an issue is solved, modify the subject: line so to indicate and do NOT start a new thread?
Foo - I thought I had it right this time....
I, for one, dont think its worth wasting time with the SOLVED word in the subject lines. noone searches through achieves with the word 'SOLVED' in there.
I did that, a few days ago, but if it starts a new thread, I'll try to remember not to do that.
But, whatever people do - thread sanity is way more important than changing subject lines. people looking for info on a topic almost always follow threads.
Amen. Another thing I learned about, after someone on the list explained that it was happening, is that when using Gmail on the web, it apparently defaults to sending HTML, which *never* is something I want to do. I try to remember to click on "Rich Formatting" and then "Plain Text", to be sure that I am sending Text and not HTML.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Lanny Marcus lmmailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
Amen. Another thing I learned about, after someone on the list explained that it was happening, is that when using Gmail on the web, it apparently defaults to sending HTML, which *never* is something I want to do. I try to remember to click on "Rich Formatting" and then "Plain Text", to be sure that I am sending Text and not HTML.
Actually, it remembers what your last email was and preserves it. I rarely send out html email form here, and I only have to change the setting when I do.
Gmail has a few flaws, but, overall, especially for a free email service, I love it.
mhr
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:52 PM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Lanny Marcus lmmailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
Amen. Another thing I learned about, after someone on the list explained that it was happening, is that when using Gmail on the web, it apparently defaults to sending HTML, which *never* is something I want to do. I try to remember to click on "Rich Formatting" and then "Plain Text", to be sure that I am sending Text and not HTML.
Actually, it remembers what your last email was and preserves it. I rarely send out html email form here, and I only have to change the setting when I do.
If it remembers what my last email was, then I don't need to click on "Rich formatting" and then "Plain text". If I send HTML, it was an accident and not my intention.
Gmail has a few flaws, but, overall, especially for a free email service, I love it.
Amen.
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 14:31 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
MHR wrote:
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So, to clarify: when an issue is solved, modify the subject: line so to indicate and do NOT start a new thread?
Foo - I thought I had it right this time....
I, for one, dont think its worth wasting time with the SOLVED word in the subject lines. noone searches through achieves with the word 'SOLVED' in there.
I did that, a few days ago, but if it starts a new thread, I'll try to remember not to do that.
I've used the change on subject w/o complaints, as have many others. I don't use gmail though. However, I don't know the worth of a modified subject indicating the problem is solved.
But I'm posting to let you know you should be able to have the best of both worlds.
If this is *too* basic, please forgive me. But the thread led me to believe that not everyone realizes that the free mail services have drawbacks when used alone and that they could be used in conjunction with your favorite MUAs on your laptop/desktop.
Also, I've forgotten *much* about this stuff years (decades?) ago. I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable folks will jump in and make corrections as needed.
All my mail is delivered via Road Runner, which has a web interface available. With the stock sendmail (or any of the usual alternatives) you can configure automatic or manual pickup of your mail from any of the mail services with local spooling. But this is not required either.
The simplest for folks that don't want to become mail administration experts is to use your favorite mail user agent (MUA) and in the setup provide the URL of the mail server. You may need two. E.g. for my Road Runner service:
pop-server.triad.rr.com smtp-server.triad.rr.com
entered in both my Evolution and Thunderbird setups does the trick. I use both, with different user-ids of course. Depending on the service providers facilities, IIRC you can leave mail on the server as well, if desired.
Heck, I'm not even sure a separate MTA/MDA is needed with this sort of setup. I've never bothered to look. Checking /var/log/maillog, it looks like the only thing my sendmail does is allow the log checker to send mail to root (w/processing by procmail).
Anyway, with this setup I can still use the webmail facility if I choose - I don't often but have done so - or use the MUAs (T'bird and Evolution) and get all the nice facilities, like edit subject lines w/o adverse effects.
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