OK, this is getting ridiculous.
A relatively new HP NC4010 (1 year old). A maybe not the newest Storix USB CD/R-DVD drive.
Of course the HP has no problem booting up off the CDrom. But then I get that blasted dialog of where are my install.
So I go through the list and find a USB storage driver.
It doesn't help.
I do have a USB 2.5" drive case that I can put a drive in with the CDs on, but is it worth the effort? Will the install recognize that?
Does anyone know were to point me to info on how to get the install to get things like PCMCIA and USB drivers installed initially?
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
This is my first experience w/64 architecture...so I need not say more on that.
I only lack a couple mins from having the 4.2-x86_64 cds from the bittorrent. It says it's to handle the AMD Athlon 64 Opteron and Intel's xeon.
Did I get the right package for this Clawhammer off the bittorrent or just which package do y'all suggest for this processor???
thx in advance,
John Rose
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:36:34AM -0600, rado wrote:
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
From what I can see, the best build for your Clawhammer (CG) processos is indeed the x86_64 one.
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Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:36:34AM -0600, rado wrote:
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
From what I can see, the best build for your Clawhammer (CG) processos is indeed the x86_64 one.
Yep. Though you can also install the 32-bit x86 distro in a pinch, can't ya?
Cheers,
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 09:58:10AM -0500, Chris Mauritz wrote:
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
From what I can see, the best build for your Clawhammer (CG) processos is indeed the x86_64 one.
Yep. Though you can also install the 32-bit x86 distro in a pinch, can't ya?
Sure can. You will just get less bangs for your bucks :)
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- -- Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:58 -0500, Chris Mauritz wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:36:34AM -0600, rado wrote:
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
From what I can see, the best build for your Clawhammer (CG) processos is indeed the x86_64 one.
Yep. Though you can also install the 32-bit x86 distro in a pinch, can't ya?
Cheers,
thx for your replies U2...appreciated ...so I am on the right track
kk...so it might be possible to install the 32 bit. But, ignorant as I am on this and not in any pinch, I don't believe anyway. It seems that if you have a 64 bit processor, the way to go is to install the 64 bit on it to take advantage of the 64...
Seems to me that's the way it should work...If not, then I am way out of bounds w/my thinking.
well, ya, 32bit should run on a 64...the proc just has to step down. This is just IMHO tho.
thx
John Rose
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On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:16 -0600, rado wrote:
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:58 -0500, Chris Mauritz wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:36:34AM -0600, rado wrote:
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
From what I can see, the best build for your Clawhammer (CG) processos is indeed the x86_64 one.
Yep. Though you can also install the 32-bit x86 distro in a pinch, can't ya?
Cheers,
thx for your replies U2...appreciated ...so I am on the right track
kk...so it might be possible to install the 32 bit. But, ignorant as I am on this and not in any pinch, I don't believe anyway. It seems that if you have a 64 bit processor, the way to go is to install the 64 bit on it to take advantage of the 64...
Seems to me that's the way it should work...If not, then I am way out of bounds w/my thinking.
well, ya, 32bit should run on a 64...the proc just has to step down. This is just IMHO tho.
thx
John Rose
The difference being that there are not all the items for x86_64 as there are for i386 ... and some of the stuff that is in the x86_64 distro is i386 (Open Office, for example).
So ... my recommendation is this:
1. If you are going to install a workstation where you want OpenOffice, Firefox with plugins, audio/video programs, etc ... use i386
2. If you are installing a server where you will not need any i386 software (open office, mp3 junk, browser plugins, etc.) then use x86_64.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:16 -0600, rado wrote:
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 09:58 -0500, Chris Mauritz wrote:
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:36:34AM -0600, rado wrote:
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
From what I can see, the best build for your Clawhammer (CG) processos is indeed the x86_64 one.
Yep. Though you can also install the 32-bit x86 distro in a pinch, can't ya?
Cheers,
thx for your replies U2...appreciated ...so I am on the right track
kk...so it might be possible to install the 32 bit. But, ignorant as I am on this and not in any pinch, I don't believe anyway. It seems that if you have a 64 bit processor, the way to go is to install the 64 bit on it to take advantage of the 64...
Seems to me that's the way it should work...If not, then I am way out of bounds w/my thinking.
well, ya, 32bit should run on a 64...the proc just has to step down. This is just IMHO tho.
thx
John Rose
The difference being that there are not all the items for x86_64 as there are for i386 ... and some of the stuff that is in the x86_64 distro is i386 (Open Office, for example).
So ... my recommendation is this:
- If you are going to install a workstation where you want OpenOffice,
Firefox with plugins, audio/video programs, etc ... use i386
- If you are installing a server where you will not need any i386
software (open office, mp3 junk, browser plugins, etc.) then use x86_64.
I have the OO installed here, and there does not seem to be any issues with it, however I don't use it much either. There may be some functionality of OO in the x86 version that is not in the x86-64, but I'm not an avid user of either, so I can't state without question. I did install the OO package during install. As for the other stuff Johnny mentioned, he's correct in that some of the whing-ding packages aren't there under the 86-64. Again, there might be issues with building software as I mentioned in first response, but most have been workable.
Sam
Sam Drinkard sam@wa4phy.net wrote:
I have the OO installed here, and there does not seem to be any issues with it, however I don't use it much either.
I'm running both OpenOffice 2.0 and StarOffice 8 on Fedora Core 3 x86-64 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 Update 2 x86-64 -- 0 issues. I've loaded the i586 version Java Software Development Kit (j2sdk) 1.50.006 from Sun's site and used the JPackage compat package for rebuilding the symlinks in alternatives.
I'm also running a host of games and binary titles built for i386 on the FC3/x86-64 version without issues. The i386 version of SDL, DirectMedia and other components _are_ included in the stock x86-64, as does nVidia's installer for x86-64 offer an i386 GLX too.
There may be some functionality of OO in the x86 version
that
is not in the x86-64, but I'm not an avid user of either,
so I
can't state without question. I did install the OO package during install.
I use OOo/SO _heavily_ and I've yet to encounter an issue. Again, I did _not_ install the x86-64 version of Java, but the i586 version.
As for the other stuff Johnny mentioned, he's correct in
that
some of the whing-ding packages aren't there under the
86-64.
Again, there might be issues with building software as I mentioned in first response, but most have been workable.
I've build an x86-64 version of Checkinstall, so just about everything I've needed to rebuild from source, that's taken care of it. If anyone wants a copy, let me know, but I won't be able to send it do you until next week (I'm in Hawaii for Christmas).
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
(I'm in Hawaii for Christmas).
& we're *ALL* hating that for you :-)
rado wrote:
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
This is my first experience w/64 architecture...so I need not say more on that.
I only lack a couple mins from having the 4.2-x86_64 cds from the bittorrent. It says it's to handle the AMD Athlon 64 Opteron and Intel's xeon.
Did I get the right package for this Clawhammer off the bittorrent or just which package do y'all suggest for this processor???
thx in advance,
John Rose
John, I suspect you got the right package. I'm running it here on a dual Xeon machine, and aside from the few quirks of library duplications and the lack of a JVM for the browser, it does very well. I'm too lazy to install the 32-bit version of Firefox or Mozilla either one and go thru all the drill of installing the java vm, but I don't normally use that box for surfing. It's normally tied up running wx models, and that takes just about all the process time I can get from it.
Sam
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 10:14 -0500, Sam Drinkard wrote:
rado wrote:
Note: This thread hijacked "[CentOS] Install from a USB CDrom?" Proper netiquette would dictate initiating a new thread rather than replying to an existing one. :-)
Hi!
In the next few days...maybe even this afternoon, I will be putting together a 64 w/the AMD Clawhammer 3700+ 64.
This is my first experience w/64 architecture...so I need not say more on that.
I only lack a couple mins from having the 4.2-x86_64 cds from the bittorrent. It says it's to handle the AMD Athlon 64 Opteron and Intel's xeon.
Did I get the right package for this Clawhammer off the bittorrent or just which package do y'all suggest for this processor???
thx in advance,
John Rose
John, I suspect you got the right package. I'm running it here on a dual Xeon machine, and aside from the few quirks of library duplications and the lack of a JVM for the browser, it does very well. I'm too lazy to install the 32-bit version of Firefox or Mozilla either one and go thru all the drill of installing the java vm, but I don't normally use that box for surfing. It's normally tied up running wx models, and that takes just about all the process time I can get from it.
[OT - Sam, I would be interested in your experiences running weather models. We work weather/hazard sensing issues for aviation safety and may want to run wx models locally in the future.]
Setting up 32-bit browsers/plugins is a bit of a PITA, but is quite doable. The following set of packages works-for-me:
acroread-7.0.0-2.rf.i386 firefox-1.5-1.c4.centos4.i386 j2re-1.4.2_06-13.LaRC.i586 mozilla-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-acroread-7.0.0-2.rf.i386 mozilla-chat-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-devel-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-dom-inspector-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-js-debugger-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-mail-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-nspr-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-nspr-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.x86_64 mozilla-nspr-devel-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-nss-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-nss-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.x86_64 mozilla-nss-devel-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.i386 mozilla-nss-devel-1.7.12-1.4.1.centos4.x86_64
The j2re package is a local rebuild (due to Sun license/dependency weirdness) but equivalent ones can be found elsewhere. The firefox is from CentOS testing, but the current production version also works fine.
Phil
rado rado@rivers-bend.com wrote:
I only lack a couple mins from having the 4.2-x86_64 cds from the bittorrent. It says it's to handle the AMD Athlon
64
Opteron
Yes, all Athlon 64, Opteron as well as the newer Sempron 64 (select Socket-754/939 versions, but no Socket-462).
and Intel's xeon.
Only the newer "Prescott" Socket-604 Xeon and select LGA-775 Pentium 4s with EM64T.
Did I get the right package for this Clawhammer off the bittorrent or just which package do y'all suggest for this processor???
Having the 64-bit ALU and double the 128-bit XMM registers are nice, as well as the newer cores with more Intel SSE microcoded support. But the "main difference" between 32-bit and 64-bit are the memory models as I explain in this blog article here: http://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/10/what-is-x86-64-long-mode-memory-model.h...
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 08:18, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I do have a USB 2.5" drive case that I can put a drive in with the CDs on, but is it worth the effort? Will the install recognize that?
Does anyone know were to point me to info on how to get the install to get things like PCMCIA and USB drivers installed initially?
If you have another box available, it is probably easier to to an NFS install than to deal with hardware the install kernel doesn't handle. If you download the iso images to a directory that is NFS exported, then boot the pc in question with the first CD and type 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt, you can do the rest of the install over the network. It also saves burning and swapping in the other CD's so it is nicer even if you don't have a problem with the CD drive.
At 10:16 AM 12/21/2005, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 08:18, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I do have a USB 2.5" drive case that I can put a drive in with the CDs on, but is it worth the effort? Will the install recognize that?
Does anyone know were to point me to info on how to get the install to get things like PCMCIA and USB drivers installed initially?
If you have another box available, it is probably easier to to an NFS install than to deal with hardware the install kernel doesn't handle. If you download the iso images to a directory that is NFS exported, then boot the pc in question with the first CD and type 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt, you can do the rest of the install over the network.
That ASSuMEs that you have a network card that does not require either PCMCIA or USB!
What I guess I am headed for is how to set up a hard drive that will be 'prepartitiones'? And the stuff sitting on a partition on the end I can afford to 'loose' (4Gb worth?).
But USB would be nice!
It also saves burning and swapping in the other CD's so it is nicer even if you don't have a problem with the CD drive.
I already have those CDs.
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 11:01 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: ...
That ASSuMEs that you have a network card that does not require either PCMCIA or USB!
What I guess I am headed for is how to set up a hard drive that will be 'prepartitiones'? And the stuff sitting on a partition on the end I can afford to 'loose' (4Gb worth?).
But USB would be nice!
I believe you could pre-partition and copy the CDs to the HD using a Live-CD distro like Knoppix or Ubuntu-live and do a hard-disk install. Haven't done a HD install in long enough that the details are hazy - there might be some restrictions on installing on the disk containing the files.
Phil
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