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For the mailing-list maintainer, mailservers to block for the latest spam to this list:
contestjd.com monopost.com linkedin.com
Kai
Am 06.01.10 11:31, schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
For the mailing-list maintainer, mailservers to block for the latest spam to this list:
contestjd.com monopost.com linkedin.com
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
There's really not much to do - blocking domains *after* they have been used for a spam run doesn't even clean anything up.
Regards,
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Am 06.01.10 11:31, schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
For the mailing-list maintainer, mailservers to block for the latest spam to this list:
contestjd.com monopost.com linkedin.com
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
There's really not much to do - blocking domains *after* they have been used for a spam run doesn't even clean anything up.
Why not block linkedin.com? There shouldn't be anyone posting to this mailing list from there... and over the last few months, I've started getting spam from there directly, as in invites allegedly for someone else, but addressed to me (and, presumably, a ton of others).
mark
Am 06.01.10 13:47, schrieb mark:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Am 06.01.10 11:31, schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
For the mailing-list maintainer, mailservers to block for the latest spam to this list:
contestjd.com monopost.com linkedin.com
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
There's really not much to do - blocking domains *after* they have been used for a spam run doesn't even clean anything up.
Why not block linkedin.com? There shouldn't be anyone posting to this mailing list from there... and over the last few months, I've started getting spam from there directly, as in invites allegedly for someone else, but addressed to me (and, presumably, a ton of others).
Because you cannot block hosts in mailman which aren't used for the construction of mail addresses. So I can block "foobar _AT_ linkedin.com", but cannot block "foobar _AT_ example.com" where mail enters our system from linkedin.com.
I would have to do that on the system level (well, mailserver) - but I won't do that for several reasons.
Ralph
Am 06.01.10 13:47, schrieb mark:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Am 06.01.10 11:31, schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
For the mailing-list maintainer, mailservers to block for the latest spam to this list:
contestjd.com monopost.com linkedin.com
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
There's really not much to do - blocking domains *after* they have been used for a spam run doesn't even clean anything up.
Why not block linkedin.com? There shouldn't be anyone posting to this mailing list from there... and over the last few months, I've started getting spam from there directly, as in invites allegedly for someone else, but addressed to me (and, presumably, a ton of others).
Because you cannot block hosts in mailman which aren't used for the construction of mail addresses. So I can block "foobar _AT_ linkedin.com", but cannot block "foobar _AT_ example.com" where mail enters our system from linkedin.com.
I would have to do that on the system level (well, mailserver) - but I won't do that for several reasons.
Ok. I've never run mailman, and just assumed that you could block a whole domain. Thanks for the explanation.
mark
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:45:19 +0100:
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
yes, and they have been spamming this list already several times. It's getting annoying over time.
I would have to do that on the system level (well, mailserver) - but I won't do that for several reasons.
Ok, I can understand that, in case you don't want to block other recipients on that server getting mail from linkedin. However, then you cannot block much at all as most of this stuff will not have a common hostname in the address. You could at least block badoo.com then (spanish linkin or so), they use their own domain according to that recent spam.
With the LinkIn spam I was thinking that this must have been list members uploading their addressbook. But it appears to me now that you allow non- members to post to the list. I've never thought that's a good idea.
Kai
Am 06.01.10 16:31, schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:45:19 +0100:
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
yes, and they have been spamming this list already several times. It's getting annoying over time.
I would have to do that on the system level (well, mailserver) - but I won't do that for several reasons.
Ok, I can understand that, in case you don't want to block other recipients on that server getting mail from linkedin. However, then you cannot block much at all as most of this stuff will not have a common hostname in the address. You could at least block badoo.com then (spanish linkin or so), they use their own domain according to that recent spam.
With the LinkIn spam I was thinking that this must have been list members uploading their addressbook. But it appears to me now that you allow non- members to post to the list. I've never thought that's a good idea.
Kai
Am 06.01.10 17:15, schrieb Ralph Angenendt:
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Erm yes. Suddenly brain stopped working, but fingers were still moving :)
Ralph
Am 06.01.10 17:15, schrieb Ralph Angenendt:
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Erm yes. Suddenly brain stopped working, but fingers were still moving :)
<g> Engage brain before putting mouth, er, fingers, in gear.
mark "too much blood in your caffeine stream?"
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Am 06.01.10 17:15, schrieb Ralph Angenendt:
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Erm yes. Suddenly brain stopped working, but fingers were still moving :)
Ralph
...A brief sojourn through La-La Land. I think we do that when the brain IS working. ;-)
Am 06.01.10 16:31, schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:45:19 +0100:
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
yes, and they have been spamming this list already several times. It's getting annoying over time.
Hmmm. I didn't really have time to read this list thouroughly over the last three weeks or so.
With the LinkIn spam I was thinking that this must have been list members uploading their addressbook.
As said, I haven't seen any. But many people on the list here want to "connect" to other "people" on social networks. That happens from time to time.
But it appears to me now that you allow non- members to post to the list. I've never thought that's a good idea.
No. What makes you think we do that?
This guy here was subscribed. So someone added mailman to some spam automation tool.
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:18:23 +0100:
As said, I haven't seen any. But many people on the list here want to "connect" to other "people" on social networks. That happens from time to time.
I'm happy with that but the requests should not go to this list. Anyway, there have been several requests to this "Romeo Ninov, The Captain {LION}" guy in the recent past, not just yesterday's, for instance: http://emailthreads.net/message/20091027.041503.d3fa27cb.ja.html http://www.spinics.net/lists/centos/msg88295.html
This can't be just coincidence. Could this guy have put "centos@centos.org" as his email address with linkedin?
But it appears to me now that you allow non- members to post to the list. I've never thought that's a good idea.
No. What makes you think we do that?
That one: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2010-January/088281.html
Looked like another kind of linkedin invitation mail, so would have assumed they don't subscribe before sending ;-) Thus my sudden assumption you allow unsubscribed mail.
Kai
Am 06.01.10 18:04, schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:18:23 +0100:
But it appears to me now that you allow non- members to post to the list. I've never thought that's a good idea.
No. What makes you think we do that?
That one: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2010-January/088281.html
Nope. Take a look at the complete headers of that mail - I'm sure that there is a "Reply-To:" or a "Sender:" header in there, which has a subscribed mail address.
Mailman is a good netizen and as such it is rather liberal in where you put your subscribed mail address. In this case it's bad, true.
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:28:38 +0100:
Nope. Take a look at the complete headers of that mail - I'm sure that there is a "Reply-To:" or a "Sender:" header in there, which has a subscribed mail address.
Well, I can't ;-) Mailman has overwritten these. The only original clue is FROM: Badoo noreply@badoo.com
Mailman is a good netizen and as such it is rather liberal in where you put your subscribed mail address. In this case it's bad, true.
I didn't know *that*.
Kai
On 06/01/10 22:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Well, I can't ;-) Mailman has overwritten these. The only original clue is FROM: Badoo noreply@badoo.com
It might be possible to put in a regex into the header check for mailman and have it suppress based on that - but then are we all going to assume that noone who actually works at these places is going to want to be on the lists :)
Not saying that I know anyone who works in these place, or that I've done a test to see how many of them are on the list - but just thinking out loud.
Not saying that I know anyone who works in these place, or that I've done a test to see how many of them are on the list - but just thinking out loud.
Nothing to do with CentOS, but just yesterday this page from a tech guy by LinkedIn, saved me quite some time: http://blog.linkedin.com/2008/06/23/osgi-at-linkedin-integrating-spring-dm-p...
So there may indeed be some interesting tech people working from there...
Mathieu Baudier schrieb:
Not saying that I know anyone who works in these place, or that I've done a test to see how many of them are on the list - but just thinking out loud.
Nothing to do with CentOS, but just yesterday this page from a tech guy by LinkedIn, saved me quite some time: http://blog.linkedin.com/2008/06/23/osgi-at-linkedin-integrating-spring-dm-p...
So there may indeed be some interesting tech people working from there... _______________________________________________
That may be true, but who subscribes from a work-address anyway? With all the disclaimers...
Rainer
but who subscribes from a work-address anyway? With all the disclaimers...
I personally do, and encourage people working with me to do it as well.
But we are in the FLOSS industry (our software does not even pretend "to fit a particular purpose" ;), so it definitely does not apply to LinkedIn.
Oh, that's just great, I finally get my Thunderbird, filtering nicely, and everything, rarely see spam.. it was all "Thunderbirds are Go!"... and then.. it pops in through mailing list :| Didn't see that one coming. (I have my mailing list on full mode, rather than digest, which is why I'm a tad late to the "party" :p (Personal preference)
Thankfully mailing list spam is rare :-).
As for blocking "known" spam addresses, trust me, that really does not work. Tried doing that oh, so many times with my inbox(s), in the end I just set up specific "word" filtering, which basically, if an email comes through with known common words used for spam (Such as your bank account is insecure, change your online password etc from banks I'm not even with :| Even if I was signed up with the bank, I would check the link first see where it really goes :-)) (Staying smart is the best way to not get conned ;-) )
But if you want to truly block spam, you'll need to block out all accounts from: gmail, hotmail, yahoo & any other free provider, but clearly that cannot happen for fairly obvious reasons :| Though if you don't already block out all the "temporary" 1 hour or 10 minute inbox providers then go block those ;-)
But to be honest, one spam message on the list, isn't bad, it could of actually been a "human bot" basically, a someone who actually sends spam rare now, but it still goes on :-), when it's actually people sending the spam, it's hard to block.
No need to go around rushing for spam filtering at this moment of time in my opinion, one or two messages can slip through any mailing list, heck could even slip through the "worlds most spam blocking machine" (If there is one). It happens. Also, everyone has to apply to the mailing list (I assume), which helps prevent spam on it's own. Until you guys start getting regular spam, there's nothing to worry about :-)
I'm gonna stop now, before I put you guys "asleep" :-D. Surprised you read this far though. :-D Also gotta close the window, before the snow makes my window shelf white. (Or gets into my comp) (It's snowing here :-D)
Just my 2p (Or rather, rambling on lol.)
On 01/07/2010 10:56 AM, Jake Shipton wrote:
But if you want to truly block spam, you'll need to block out all accounts from: gmail, hotmail, yahoo& any other free provider, but clearly that cannot happen for fairly obvious reasons :| Though if you don't already block out all the "temporary" 1 hour or 10 minute inbox providers then go block those ;-)
Actually, the only way to totally block spam is to setup a rotational moderation team and moderate everything. Dont think I need to go into the issues that would come with that setup.
- KB
On Thursday 07 January 2010 11:49:32 Karanbir Singh wrote:
Actually, the only way to totally block spam is to setup a rotational moderation team and moderate everything. Dont think I need to go into the issues that would come with that setup.
Besides which, more spam comes from threads like this than the unwanted mail itself :-)
Anne
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Kai Schaetzl maillists@conactive.com wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:45:19 +0100:
Hmmm. The latter is LinkedIn - I don't really want to block that :)
yes, and they have been spamming this list already several times. It's getting annoying over time.
I would have to do that on the system level (well, mailserver) - but I won't do that for several reasons.
Ok, I can understand that, in case you don't want to block other recipients on that server getting mail from linkedin. However, then you cannot block much at all as most of this stuff will not have a common hostname in the address. You could at least block badoo.com then (spanish linkin or so), they use their own domain according to that recent spam.
With the LinkIn spam I was thinking that this must have been list members uploading their addressbook. But it appears to me now that you allow non- members to post to the list. I've never thought that's a good idea.
I had hoped that the people on this list are smart enough to know that you don't upload your entire address book to some social networking site so they can spam everyone. Unfortunately it's obviously not the case.
Kai
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