greetings
when CentOS 4 first came out i downloaded the DVD and installed from it several times just fine.
should i continue to use it?
OR, is there a "newer" one?
where on the mirros should i snag it "the best" new one if it exists please?
thank you and kind regards,
- rh
Robert Hanson wrote:
greetings
when CentOS 4 first came out i downloaded the DVD and installed from it several times just fine.
should i continue to use it?
OR, is there a "newer" one?
where on the mirros should i snag it "the best" new one if it exists please?
thank you and kind regards,
- rh
As long as you do an update after your install, you'll be okay. Of course, if you use a more recent .iso, you'll have less packages to update.
} }As long as you do an update after your install, you'll be okay. Of }course, if you use a more recent .iso, you'll have less packages to update. } }-- }Ugo }
appreciated.
...and i hear you yet the prob is, the orig dvd i recv'd was put together and downloaded from one of the developers (i think) servers and not from the CentOS mirrors on about day one of the _new_ CentOS 4
i prefer ftp and do not use "torrents" or whatever that garbage is.
ive checked the mirrors in i386 and other areas to no avail.
so, where do i find the _most current and updated latest greatest_ i386 CentOS 4.X complete install DVD .iso or whatever you want to call it?
thanks :)
- rh
Robert Hanson wrote:
} }As long as you do an update after your install, you'll be okay. Of }course, if you use a more recent .iso, you'll have less packages to update. } }-- }Ugo }
appreciated.
...and i hear you yet the prob is, the orig dvd i recv'd was put together and downloaded from one of the developers (i think) servers and not from the CentOS mirrors on about day one of the _new_ CentOS 4
i prefer ftp and do not use "torrents" or whatever that garbage is.
Garage? Please don't comment if you don't know what it is.
ive checked the mirrors in i386 and other areas to no avail.
so, where do i find the _most current and updated latest greatest_ i386 CentOS 4.X complete install DVD .iso or whatever you want to call it?
http://centos.arcticnetwork.ca/4.1/isos/i386/CentOS-4.1-i386-binDVD1.torrent
replace centos.arcticnetwork.ca by the name of the nearest mirror
BTW, this one still needs a yum update after install. They cannot create an .iso everyday.
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Ugo Bellavance wrote:
Robert Hanson wrote:
i prefer ftp and do not use "torrents" or whatever that garbage is.
Garbage? Please don't comment if you don't know what it is.
ouch, torrent is the best thing since sliced bread. Using torrent I can download a dvd in less than five minutes over my 28k modem.
}ouch, torrent is the best thing since sliced bread. Using torrent I can }download a dvd in less than five minutes over my 28k modem.
hehehe ok, so im old fashioned. i guess ive just been around so long that anything new fangled that doesnt give an immediate $$$ return on investment is a waste of my time and causes me more problems and wastes more time than i care to deal with.
2 gig in less than 5 minutes on a connection that only supports about 32000 chars a sec?
ill bite.
so.... where do i go to get *more* educated on torrents, the right way, and the first time? :)
kind regards,
- rh
Robert Hanson wrote:
}ouch, torrent is the best thing since sliced bread. Using torrent I can }download a dvd in less than five minutes over my 28k modem.
hehehe ok, so im old fashioned. i guess ive just been around so long that anything new fangled that doesnt give an immediate $$$ return on investment is a waste of my time and causes me more problems and wastes more time than i care to deal with.
2 gig in less than 5 minutes on a connection that only supports about 32000 chars a sec?
ill bite.
I think he was being sarcastic.
so.... where do i go to get *more* educated on torrents, the right way, and the first time? :)
http://www.bittorrent.com/ http://www.bittorrent.com/introduction.html
Bittorrent may not help downloading faster, but it can. Its main advantage is that it uses everyone's bandwidth instead of using only the mirrors. Mirrors are usually costly, so that leaves more money to the mirrors owners or to CentOS. It is using unused bandwith in fact.
Hope this helps,
} }I think he was being sarcastic. } Ugo
hehehe, yes, of course he was, and well, one of the reasons i have resisted having yet one more program on my machines...
oh well, live and learn _again_ huh? ;-)
at least for now it is saving me the hassle of re-learning how to take several CD .iso and combining them into a single DVD etc blah
time to BBQ in a few, later.
- rh
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Robert Hanson wrote:
} }I think he was being sarcastic. } Ugo
hehehe, yes, of course he was, and well, one of the reasons i have resisted having yet one more program on my machines...
oh well, live and learn _again_ huh? ;-)
at least for now it is saving me the hassle of re-learning how to take several CD .iso and combining them into a single DVD etc blah
time to BBQ in a few, later.
by the way, I tried combining the individual iso's to make a dvd but I could not get it to work, that's not to say that it will not work, but with everything else in linux-land, nothing usually works out of the box.
} by the way, I tried combining the individual iso's to make a dvd but I } could not get it to work, that's not to say that it will not work, but } with everything else in linux-land, nothing usually works out of the box.
Pasi,
how did you make those original DVD's of CentOS?
thanks!
-- Robert Hanson Abba Communications http://www.abbacomm.net
thanks, i know what it is.
and apologies to torrents people, i mispoke, it was not meant to offend yet i dont want to install and learn about anything more than i absolutely need to.
there is NO SUBSTITUTE for unlimited bandwidth. :-)
so, what you are telling me is that there is nowhere to get what i want right?? or just right now? ;-)
now, this is *similar* to what i am looking for. a roughly 2 gig DVD .iso
the last one i got was called
CentOS-4.0-i386-bin.DVD.iso
where do i find the last one that was made up please without using torrents?
thanks
- rh
}-----Original Message----- }From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On }Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance }Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:09 PM }To: centos@centos.org }Subject: [CentOS] Re: CentOS 4 install DVD } }Robert Hanson wrote: }> }> } }> }As long as you do an update after your install, you'll be okay. Of }> }course, if you use a more recent .iso, you'll have less packages to }update. }> } }> }-- }> }Ugo }> } }> }> appreciated. }> }> ...and i hear you yet the prob is, the orig dvd i recv'd was put together }> and downloaded from one of the developers (i think) servers and not from }the }> CentOS mirrors on about day one of the _new_ CentOS 4 }> }> i prefer ftp and do not use "torrents" or whatever that garbage is. } }Garage? Please don't comment if you don't know what it is. } }> }> ive checked the mirrors in i386 and other areas to no avail. }> }> so, where do i find the _most current and updated latest greatest_ i386 }> CentOS 4.X complete install DVD .iso or whatever you want to call it? } }http://centos.arcticnetwork.ca/4.1/isos/i386/CentOS-4.1-i386- }binDVD1.torrent } }replace centos.arcticnetwork.ca by the name of the nearest mirror } }BTW, this one still needs a yum update after install. They cannot }create an .iso everyday. } } }-- }Ugo } }-> Please don't send a copy of your reply by e-mail. I read the list. }-> Please avoid top-posting, long signatures and HTML, and cut the }irrelevant parts in your replies. } }_______________________________________________ }CentOS mailing list }CentOS@centos.org }http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Robert Hanson wrote:
thanks, i know what it is.
and apologies to torrents people, i mispoke, it was not meant to offend yet i dont want to install and learn about anything more than i absolutely need to.
there is NO SUBSTITUTE for unlimited bandwidth. :-)
No comments.
so, what you are telling me is that there is nowhere to get what i want right?? or just right now? ;-)
No, I gave you an http URL. Open your browser, paste it in the address bar and press enter.
Here is the URL again:
http://centos.arcticnetwork.ca/4.1/isos/i386/CentOS-4.1-i386-binDVD1.torrent
Beware of wrap-up.
now, this is *similar* to what i am looking for. a roughly 2 gig DVD .iso
the last one i got was called
CentOS-4.0-i386-bin.DVD.iso
This is probably the official DVD for CentOS 4.
where do i find the last one that was made up please without using torrents?
I just told you.
thanks
- rh
}-----Original Message----- }From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On }Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance }Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:09 PM }To: centos@centos.org }Subject: [CentOS] Re: CentOS 4 install DVD } }Robert Hanson wrote: }> }> } }> }As long as you do an update after your install, you'll be okay. Of }> }course, if you use a more recent .iso, you'll have less packages to }update. }> } }> }-- }> }Ugo }> } }> }> appreciated. }> }> ...and i hear you yet the prob is, the orig dvd i recv'd was put together }> and downloaded from one of the developers (i think) servers and not from }the }> CentOS mirrors on about day one of the _new_ CentOS 4 }> }> i prefer ftp and do not use "torrents" or whatever that garbage is. } }Garage? Please don't comment if you don't know what it is. } }> }> ive checked the mirrors in i386 and other areas to no avail. }> }> so, where do i find the _most current and updated latest greatest_ i386 }> CentOS 4.X complete install DVD .iso or whatever you want to call it? } }http://centos.arcticnetwork.ca/4.1/isos/i386/CentOS-4.1-i386- }binDVD1.torrent } }replace centos.arcticnetwork.ca by the name of the nearest mirror } }BTW, this one still needs a yum update after install. They cannot }create an .iso everyday. } } }-- }Ugo } }-> Please don't send a copy of your reply by e-mail. I read the list. }-> Please avoid top-posting, long signatures and HTML, and cut the }irrelevant parts in your replies. } }_______________________________________________ }CentOS mailing list }CentOS@centos.org }http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Ugo Bellavance wrote:
Robert Hanson wrote:
so, what you are telling me is that there is nowhere to get what i want right?? or just right now? ;-)
No, I gave you an http URL. Open your browser, paste it in the address bar and press enter.
Here is the URL again:
http://centos.arcticnetwork.ca/4.1/isos/i386/CentOS-4.1-i386-binDVD1.torrent
Beware of wrap-up.
I'm terribly sorry, I didn't realize this was not a .iso file. Thanks Johnny for the right answer.
BTW, you can also do a network install.
} } I'm terribly sorry, I didn't realize this was not a .iso file. Thanks } Johnny for the right answer. } } BTW, you can also do a network install. } } -- } Ugo
not a huge big deal about the .iso image that i was looking for from the start. :->
i can understand how it might be difficult for everyone to deal with that one such small bandwidth and disk space resources.
btw, what is "wrap up" that you warned me about?
i used bittorent to snag the dvd and i am doing a test install right now.
i just ordered two new (for me) rack mount servers and i am going to run some pre-testing of CentOS 4.1 installs etc.
ummmmmm, as a side note, can bittorent be run from a bash shell on CentOS?
i checked in /usr/bin after doing an rpm -Uvh install of bittorent yet i didnt see anything that caught my eye in the bittorent python files.
thanks in advance.
-- Robert Hanson Abba Communications http://www.abbacomm.net
Robert Hanson wrote:
} } I'm terribly sorry, I didn't realize this was not a .iso file. Thanks } Johnny for the right answer. } } BTW, you can also do a network install. } } -- } Ugo
not a huge big deal about the .iso image that i was looking for from the start. :->
i can understand how it might be difficult for everyone to deal with that one such small bandwidth and disk space resources.
btw, what is "wrap up" that you warned me about?
Sometimes e-mail clients wrap-up url that are too long. See, for example... http://ioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioio.com/ioioioioioioioioioioio...
i used bittorent to snag the dvd and i am doing a test install right now.
i just ordered two new (for me) rack mount servers and i am going to run some pre-testing of CentOS 4.1 installs etc.
Nice
ummmmmm, as a side note, can bittorent be run from a bash shell on CentOS?
yes, IIRC, the command starts by bt. btdownload*** something.
Do a 'locate btdownload' and you'll find.
i checked in /usr/bin after doing an rpm -Uvh install of bittorent yet i didnt see anything that caught my eye in the bittorent python files.
Ugo Bellavance wrote:
Robert Hanson wrote:
btw, what is "wrap up" that you warned me about?
Sometimes e-mail clients wrap-up url that are too long. See, for example... http://ioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioioio.com/ioioioioioioioioioioio...
Didn't work. Well, I hope you got it anyway.
On Thu, July 28, 2005 2:21 pm, Robert Hanson said:
thanks, i know what it is.
and apologies to torrents people, i mispoke, it was not meant to offend yet i dont want to install and learn about anything more than i absolutely need to.
there is NO SUBSTITUTE for unlimited bandwidth. :-)
so, what you are telling me is that there is nowhere to get what i want right?? or just right now? ;-)
now, this is *similar* to what i am looking for. a roughly 2 gig DVD .iso
the last one i got was called
CentOS-4.0-i386-bin.DVD.iso
where do i find the last one that was made up please without using torrents?
thanks
- rh
You can download CD ISOs from most of the public mirrors ... CentOS does not allow direct downloads of ISOs from our servers. (CDs or DVDs)
Torrents are usually much faster that direct ISO downloads ... because there are 8-50 seeds (download sources) for each download, not just one. And they allow downloads that do not only require our bandwidth.
The problem with the DVD is that it is > 2.0 GB and can not be served via apache (and even some FTP servers) because of this size. It is also a bandwidth issue and storage issue (there are about 20GB of DVDs, the entire tree is only 60GB without DVDs).
Since more than half our external (public) mirror providers are http and since > 2gb doesn't work by default, it doesn't make any sense to distribute > 2gb files in the normal mirror directories (to the tune of 20GB) when 50-75% of the mirrors will not serve them by default.
I'm sorry, but because of this, bittorrent is the only way we distribute DVDs.
There is a script to make a DVD from the CDs ... It is here:
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/build/
and named mkdvdiso.sh
Johnny Hughes wrote:
The problem with the DVD is that it is > 2.0 GB and can not be served via apache (and even some FTP servers) because of this size. It is also a bandwidth issue and storage issue (there are about 20GB of DVDs, the entire tree is only 60GB without DVDs).
Just out of pure curiosity. What is then Red Hat using? If I remeber correctly, Fedora DVD images are available from their HTTP/FTP servers. And I guess it would be bad PR if they don't use what they ship with their flagship OS ;-)
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 23:50 -0500, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
The problem with the DVD is that it is > 2.0 GB and can not be served via apache (and even some FTP servers) because of this size. It is also a bandwidth issue and storage issue (there are about 20GB of DVDs, the entire tree is only 60GB without DVDs).
Just out of pure curiosity. What is then Red Hat using? If I remeber correctly, Fedora DVD images are available from their HTTP/FTP servers. And I guess it would be bad PR if they don't use what they ship with their flagship OS ;-)
Neither RHEL or FedoraCore is available via DVD from official Red Hat channels ... So they don't serve > 2gb files. The official mirrors for RedHat and Fedora Core are not using standard RHEL files (at least not standard RHEL 3 or 4), they say:
"Apache" and not "Apache(Red Hat)"
If you don't believe me concerning RH not distributing DVDs, see this link: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
This is just another way where the copy is better than the original :)
On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 03:54 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 23:50 -0500, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
The problem with the DVD is that it is > 2.0 GB and can not be served via apache (and even some FTP servers) because of this size. It is also a bandwidth issue and storage issue (there are about 20GB of DVDs, the entire tree is only 60GB without DVDs).
Just out of pure curiosity. What is then Red Hat using? If I remeber correctly, Fedora DVD images are available from their HTTP/FTP servers. And I guess it would be bad PR if they don't use what they ship with their flagship OS ;-)
Neither RHEL or FedoraCore is available via DVD from official Red Hat channels ... So they don't serve > 2gb files. The official mirrors for RedHat and Fedora Core are not using standard RHEL files (at least not standard RHEL 3 or 4), they say:
"Apache" and not "Apache(Red Hat)"
If you don't believe me concerning RH not distributing DVDs, see this link: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
This is just another way where the copy is better than the original :) _______________________________________________
I did find a 2.5gb DVD for FC4 on the duke mirror ... probably made by skvidal :) (it was not on the main fedora mirror or any other mirror I checked).
They (duke) are using lighttpd/1.3.13 to serve the DVD and on their fedora / centos mirrors. I am not sure about what OS they are using for their mirrors, as they have a mix of Fedora / RHEL / CentOS servers in http://linux.duke.edu/ , as noted here:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/netblock?q=DUKE-NET,152.3.0.0,152.3.255.255
As a side note, official RHEL 3 and RHEL 4 DVDs are also not download- able via RHN. This is a quite frequent complaint on the mailing lists.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 23:50 -0500, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
The problem with the DVD is that it is > 2.0 GB and can not be served via apache (and even some FTP servers) because of this size. It is also a bandwidth issue and storage issue (there are about 20GB of DVDs, the entire tree is only 60GB without DVDs).
Just out of pure curiosity. What is then Red Hat using? If I remeber correctly, Fedora DVD images are available from their HTTP/FTP servers. And I guess it would be bad PR if they don't use what they ship with their flagship OS ;-)
Neither RHEL or FedoraCore is available via DVD from official Red Hat channels ...
Close, but not quite. RHEL doesn't have an official DVD, but FC does.
So they don't serve > 2gb files.
Sure they do, remember FTP?
[snip]
If you don't believe me concerning RH not distributing DVDs, see this link: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
No, I don't. And I have a link, too.
ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
Johnny Hughes wrote:
If you don't believe me concerning RH not distributing DVDs, see this link: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
William Hooper wrote:
No, I don't. And I have a link, too. ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
Yep, I've been downloading the DVD version since Fedora Core 2. (I've had DVD-R(G) drives since they first came out)
I used to main my own NFS install repository before that, and sometimes I'd plunk down DVD-RAM discs for remote systems.
BTW, what is the deal with Red Hat not putting the DVD isos on the HTTP service? Is it because of all the HTTP clients that don't support >2GiB files and they don't want to do with it (I assume)? Or something with Apache or another service on their side?
FC3$ curl -V curl 7.12.3 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.12.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7a zlib/1.2.1.2 libidn/0.5.6 Protocols: ftp gopher telnet dict ldap http file https ftps Features: GSS-Negotiate IDN IPv6 Largefile NTLM SSL libz ^^^^^^^^^
Johnny Hughes wrote:
If you don't believe me concerning RH not distributing DVDs, see this link: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
This is just another way where the copy is better than the original :)
Well, you are partially right. They don't distribute DVD images via HTTP, but they do distribute them via FTP.
On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 15:18 -0500, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
If you don't believe me concerning RH not distributing DVDs, see this link: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/
This is just another way where the copy is better than the original :)
Well, you are partially right. They don't distribute DVD images via HTTP, but they do distribute them via FTP.
OK ... so I stand corrected :)
FC does have DVDs on their FTP mirrors.
BUT, there are no RHEL DVDs, and that is what we are a rebuild of :)
CentOS doesn't provide FTP mirrors, so we will still only provide the DVDs via bittorrent.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
CentOS doesn't provide FTP mirrors, so we will still only provide the DVDs via bittorrent.
I think this is ideal behaviour. People can get the ISO a LOT faster this way (I was able to D/L the latest version yesterday in under 30 mins) and the bandwidth burden is shared among a large number of people rather than the project maintainers. win/win
Cheers,
C
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 12:21 -0700, Robert Hanson wrote:
... the last one i got was called
CentOS-4.0-i386-bin.DVD.iso
where do i find the last one that was made up please without using torrents?
Either with or without...
http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=88
Look at the mirrors link and pick one nearby.
Phil
P.S. Have seen it said that one should be able to save download time by renaming the old DVD image to the new name and using rsync to update only the changes. Haven't actually tried this myself.
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 17:33 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote:
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 12:21 -0700, Robert Hanson wrote:
... the last one i got was called
CentOS-4.0-i386-bin.DVD.iso
where do i find the last one that was made up please without using torrents?
Either with or without...
http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=88
Look at the mirrors link and pick one nearby.
OOPS - sorry - responding to my own post. Need bittorrent to get DVD images - mirrors seem to have only CDs. Johnny Hughes' answer is (as usual) authoritative.
Phil
You can continue to use the "old" one if you would like. After install just "yum update" to get all the updates(which will subsequently upgrade you to the latest version). If you want to minimize updates you can get the newest DVD iso from the mirrors. Here is one of them: http://mirrors.kernel.org/centos/4.1/isos/
Robert Hanson wrote:
greetings
when CentOS 4 first came out i downloaded the DVD and installed from it several times just fine.
should i continue to use it?
OR, is there a "newer" one?
where on the mirros should i snag it "the best" new one if it exists please?
thank you and kind regards,
- rh
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