Help,
Our server at work is down. The video memory is out. Its an old IBM PC300PL, 6892-12U, running SCO.
If anyone happens to a stick of this type memory and would be willing to sell it, please let me know. Below are the requirements for the video memory:
The video memory interface is controlled by an S3 TRIO 3D graphics controller. The amount of SGRAM shipped with the video subsystem is 4MB in the PC 300PL computers, and 2MB in the PC 300GL computers. The video memory module used in the PC 300PL (Types 6862 and 6892) is 2 MB 512K X32, with 100MHz SGRAM. The video memory module used in the PC 300GL (Types 6275 and 6285) is 2 MB 256K X32, with 100MHz SGRAM. The PC 300GL (Types 6275 and 6285) can be upgraded from 2 MB SGRAM to 4 MB SGRAM with a 2 MB SGRAM SODIMM. The SODIMM can be plugged into the SODIMM socket on the system board.
I know, this machine should have been scraped a long time ago.
TIA
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM, tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
Help,
Our server at work is down. The video memory is out. Its an old IBM PC300PL, 6892-12U, running SCO.
If anyone happens to a stick of this type memory and would be willing to sell it, please let me know. Below are the requirements for the video memory:
http://www.google.com/products?q=PC+300PL+Types+6862+and+6892&aq=f or froogle it. I hope this is helpful.
tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
Help,
Our server at work is down. The video memory is out. Its an old IBM PC300PL, 6892-12U, running SCO.
If anyone happens to a stick of this type memory and would be willing to sell it, please let me know. Below are the requirements for the video memory:
The video memory interface is controlled by an S3 TRIO 3D graphics controller. The amount of SGRAM shipped with the video subsystem is 4MB in the PC 300PL computers, and 2MB in the PC 300GL computers. The video memory module used in the PC 300PL (Types 6862 and 6892) is 2 MB 512K X32, with 100MHz SGRAM. The video memory module used in the PC 300GL (Types 6275 and 6285) is 2 MB 256K X32, with 100MHz SGRAM. The PC 300GL (Types 6275 and 6285) can be upgraded from 2 MB SGRAM to 4 MB SGRAM with a 2 MB SGRAM SODIMM. The SODIMM can be plugged into the SODIMM socket on the system board.
SGRAM SODIMMs were damn rare 10 years ago. you're not going to find any today.
this is a server ? who -cares- about the video card, yank it out, and stick something else in its place, like a old ATI Rage card. google is telling me thats a pentium-II system, so it must be about 10 years old. that or pull the disks out and get them working on another computer.
oh, its onboard video, ok, not going to replace it.
hey, amazing the power of the google. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=sgram+sodimm&cid=15533019313725... http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=sgram+sodimm&cid=15533019313725492445&sa=title#p
John R Pierce wrote:
oh, its onboard video, ok, not going to replace it.
Often times installing a video card into a system with onboard video will automatically disable the onboard video, or maybe there is a jumper or dip switch if it's really old..
That's the route I would take just try another video card, and configure your system to use a serial console so you don't need a video card.
And then migrate it to a VM.
nate
tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
Help,
Our server at work is down. The video memory is out. Its an old IBM PC300PL, 6892-12U, running SCO.
If anyone happens to a stick of this type memory and would be willing to sell it, please let me know. Below are the requirements for the video memory:
<snip>
this is a server ? who -cares- about the video card, yank it out, and stick something else in its place, like a old ATI Rage card. google is telling me thats a pentium-II system, so it must be about 10 years old. that or pull the disks out and get them working on another computer.
oh, its onboard video, ok, not going to replace it.
<snip> That's silly - you put in a video card, and configure the system to use that.
mark
---- m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
Help,
Our server at work is down. The video memory is out. Its an old IBM PC300PL, 6892-12U, running SCO.
If anyone happens to a stick of this type memory and would be willing to sell it, please let me know. Below are the requirements for the video memory:
<snip> > this is a server ? who -cares- about the video card, yank it out, and > stick something else in its place, like a old ATI Rage card. google is > telling me thats a pentium-II system, so it must be about 10 years > old. that or pull the disks out and get them working on another > computer. > > oh, its onboard video, ok, not going to replace it. <snip> That's silly - you put in a video card, and configure the system to use that.
mark
We have been searching the internet since Tuesday.
We have already tried installing a video card, that didn't work. The beeps at start up indicate to check the video ram. It will boot and run if we put it in another pc.
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
I've been running linux systems since the late 80's. I have never heard of this but then, I have never run a sco system either.
Any help or suggestions?
TIA
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
Pull out the drives, mirror them and then put them back, put the mirroed drives in a spare desktop pc and hay presto?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 06:35:18PM +0000, James Bensley wrote:
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
Pull out the drives, mirror them and then put them back, put the mirroed drives in a spare desktop pc and hay presto?
That's not going to work with a SCO kernel unless the new PC is identical from a hardware standpoint; SCO kernels are monolithic and have device drivers compiled and linked into the kernel.
If you have install media you can likely install SCO on a different PC, and then copy the rest of the old system over, not touching any of the kernel bits when you do so. This will likely have a fair chance of success.
John
John R. Dennison wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 06:35:18PM +0000, James Bensley wrote:
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
Pull out the drives, mirror them and then put them back, put the mirroed drives in a spare desktop pc and hay presto?
That's not going to work with a SCO kernel unless the new PC is identical from a hardware standpoint; SCO kernels are monolithic and have device drivers compiled and linked into the kernel.
If you have install media you can likely install SCO on a different PC, and then copy the rest of the old system over, not touching any of the kernel bits when you do so. This will likely have a fair chance of success.
Better yet, try this under VMware so if you get it to work you won't have to go through this again and you won't have to dedicate a box to running old cruft.
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 13:29 -0500, tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
---- m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip>
We have been searching the internet since Tuesday.
We have already tried installing a video card, that didn't work. The beeps at start up indicate to check the video ram. It will boot and run if we put it in another pc.
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
I've been running linux systems since the late 80's. I have never heard of this but then, I have never run a sco system either.
Any help or suggestions?
Some BIOS allow you to disable on-board video. Can you get to BIOS and see? If you can that might get you going with another video card added to the system.
<snip>
HTH
---- "William L. Maltby" CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 13:29 -0500, tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
---- m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip>
We have been searching the internet since Tuesday.
We have already tried installing a video card, that didn't work. The beeps at start up indicate to check the video ram. It will boot and run if we put it in another pc.
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
I've been running linux systems since the late 80's. I have never heard of this but then, I have never run a sco system either.
Any help or suggestions?
Some BIOS allow you to disable on-board video. Can you get to BIOS and see? If you can that might get you going with another video card added to the system.
We have no video at all. Was hoping a video card would have at least let us in to reconfigure the bios but we are unable to see anything.
TIA wrote>
---- "William L. Maltby" CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 13:29 -0500, tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
---- m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip>
We have been searching the internet since Tuesday.
We have already tried installing a video card, that didn't work. The
beeps at start up indicate to check the video ram. It will boot and run if we put it in another pc.
<snip>
Some BIOS allow you to disable on-board video. Can you get to BIOS and see? If you can that might get you going with another video card added to the system.
We have no video at all. Was hoping a video card would have at least let us in to reconfigure the bios but we are unable to see anything.
I just had a thought: this *is* Unix. Plug in a VT100 via serial cable.
mark
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:39:41PM -0700, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I just had a thought: this *is* Unix. Plug in a VT100 via serial cable.
That's not going to work as the server will not boot with bad video memory in it; bad memory is a catastrophic error as far as the BIOS is concerned.
John
John R. Dennison wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:39:41PM -0700, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I just had a thought: this *is* Unix. Plug in a VT100 via serial cable.
That's not going to work as the server will not boot with bad video memory in it; bad memory is a catastrophic error as far as the BIOS is concerned.
how do you know this is the problem, and the motherboard hasn't croaked in some OTHER 10+ year old crusty mobo fashion ?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 01:22:58PM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
how do you know this is the problem, and the motherboard hasn't croaked in some OTHER 10+ year old crusty mobo fashion ?
Because the original poster specifically stated that the box had failed video ram in it? :) While possible that there are other issues at play, I can only go by the information provided by the orignal poster.
I've never seen a motherboard from that era that could bypass failed video memory POST results - YMMV.
John
John R. Dennison wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 01:22:58PM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
how do you know this is the problem, and the motherboard hasn't croaked in some OTHER 10+ year old crusty mobo fashion ?
I've never seen a motherboard from that era that could bypass failed video memory POST results - YMMV.
what I meant was, without working video, how does he know what the error is?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:37:52PM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
what I meant was, without working video, how does he know what the error is?
POST beep codes I would think.
John
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Warren Young Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:18 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Urgent request
On 12/17/2009 3:59 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:37:52PM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
what I meant was, without working video, how does he know
what the error is?
POST beep codes I would think.
Yes, he confirmed that in a later message.
Right, by the beep codes, it indicates video memory is the problem.
I think we found a stick of this memory. Hopefully, it will be compatable.
We have backups but its only database files. C-Systems got us good, but its our fault for relying on a 12 year old server. Their newer sytems run on fedora 9 and we may have to bite the bullet for a new server. Maybe we can patch this one up till spring.
Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions!!
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Of Thomas Dukes Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:53 AM To: 'CentOS mailing list' Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Urgent request
We have backups but its only database files. C-Systems got us good, but
its
our fault for relying on a 12 year old server. Their newer sytems run on fedora 9 and we may have to bite the bullet for a new server. Maybe we can patch this one up till spring.
Fedora?? You're joking, right?
This is this a production server?
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On
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Of John R. Dennison Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:00 AM To: John R Pierce Cc: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] [OT] Urgent request
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:37:52PM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
what I meant was, without working video, how does he know what the error
is?
POST beep codes I would think.
Yupp, very lo-tech, but quite handy at times like the OP described.
Beeeeeep-beep-beep-beep. Sound familiar? Bad RAM on video card, or otherwise bad video card. I've seen this plenty on oldish mobo's that more or less all of them were of the MSI variety and with S3 Trio or ATI Rage graphics cards. Bad combo apparantely, but oh-so-popular at the time.
OP, although you might not like hearing it, your best bet is probably going to be to try to migrate the data to something more contemporary.
More often than not, the motherboard's given up its breath as well. Check any caps, do they look swollen or are even leaking maybe?
tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
---- "William L. Maltby"CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 13:29 -0500, tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
---- m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip>
<snip> Some BIOS allow you to disable on-board video. Can you get to BIOS and see? If you can that might get you going with another video card added to the system.
We have no video at all. Was hoping a video card would have at least let us in to reconfigure the bios but we are unable to see anything.
Right up there with "No keyboard detected. Press any key to continue."
On 12/17/2009 1:20 PM, tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
---- "William L. Maltby"CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 13:29 -0500, tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
---- m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip>
We have been searching the internet since Tuesday.
We have already tried installing a video card, that didn't work. The beeps at start up indicate to check the video ram. It will boot and run if we put it in another pc.
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
I've been running linux systems since the late 80's. I have never heard of this but then, I have never run a sco system either.
Any help or suggestions?
Some BIOS allow you to disable on-board video. Can you get to BIOS and see? If you can that might get you going with another video card added to the system.
We have no video at all. Was hoping a video card would have at least let us in to reconfigure the bios but we are unable to see anything.
Did you try an ISA video card? Some systems will use that slot first without changing jumpers or bios.
Some things to try as a last resort. 1.Clean contacts with eraser and rubbing alcohol. 2.Try putting the memory in the freezer for awhile. 3.Take a soldering iron and reheat the solder joints. If all these fail drink some alcohol :)
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tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
markWe have been searching the internet since Tuesday.
We have already tried installing a video card, that didn't work. The beeps at start up indicate to check the video ram. It will boot and run if we put it in another pc.
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
I've been running linux systems since the late 80's. I have never heard of this but then, I have never run a sco system either.
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I can't believe nobody commented about this yet... ;o)
Linux didn't exist until 1991, so it would have been quite the feat to be running it in the 1980's indeed. ;o)
I can't believe everyone let that slip by... ;o)
Merry Christmas!
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tdukes@sc.rr.com wrote:
markWe have been searching the internet since Tuesday.
We have already tried installing a video card, that didn't work. The beeps at start up indicate to check the video ram. It will boot and run if we put it in another pc.
The server is running c-sytems software on a sco operating system. They tell us we can't pull the hard drive and move it to another pc - something about a bug causing it to lose data.
I've been running linux systems since the late 80's. I have never heard of this but then, I have never run a sco system either.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I can't believe nobody commented about this yet... ;o)
Linux didn't exist until 1991, so it would have been quite the feat to be running it in the 1980's indeed. ;o)
I can't believe everyone let that slip by... ;o)
Merry Christmas!
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