is it just me and my mail servers going wacko or is there a ton of traffic on the mailing list today?
- rh
-- Robert Hanson - Abba Communications Computer & Internet Services (509) 624-7159 - www.abbacomm.net
Robert Hanson wrote:
is it just me and my mail servers going wacko or is there a ton of traffic on the mailing list today?
- rh
-- Robert Hanson - Abba Communications Computer & Internet Services (509) 624-7159 - www.abbacomm.net
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I thought I was getting doubles of every post till I started looking at some. Just a lot of the same posts I guess.
is it just me and my mail servers going wacko or is there a ton of traffic on the mailing list today?
- rh
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear their own voice.
Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Preston
} The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long } threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And } some people like to hear their own voice. } } Over and over and over and over and over and over again. } } Preston }
ok, i thought my mail servers are freaking and i thought i was getting doubles of everything and them some.
phew
- rh
-- Robert Hanson - Abba Communications Computer & Internet Services (509) 624-7159 - www.abbacomm.net
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear
their
own voice. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Interesting you'd say that Preston, because you usually say I'm the "common denominator," yet I waited to respond to several.
In fact, I noted that several people made many "interesting" comments (e.g., "screw the users", etc...), well before I even attempted a response, or rather early into it.
So I hope you can actually note that a lot of this goes on regardless whether I am involved or not. But I assume you won't, and you'll make it about me whenever it is next convienent for you to do so.
Cheers. ;->
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear
their
own voice. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Interesting you'd say that Preston, because you usually say I'm the "common denominator," yet I waited to respond to several.
I didn't say it was you. Although, my inbox is filled with about 50% responses from you, so maybe you're onto something there.
So I hope you can actually note that a lot of this goes on regardless whether I am involved or not. But I assume you
Of course. And in fact you've made some good points that I agree with with regards to using LTO storage, how to share printers, etc. I was just pointing out my opinion on why the list was so overtaken with traffic lately.
won't, and you'll make it about me whenever it is next convienent for you to do so.
No. Sorry to disappoint.
Preston
Preston Crawford wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear
their
own voice. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Interesting you'd say that Preston, because you usually say I'm the "common denominator," yet I waited to respond to several.
I didn't say it was you. Although, my inbox is filled with about 50% responses from you, so maybe you're onto something there.
So I hope you can actually note that a lot of this goes on regardless whether I am involved or not. But I assume you
Of course. And in fact you've made some good points that I agree with with regards to using LTO storage, how to share printers, etc. I was just pointing out my opinion on why the list was so overtaken with traffic lately.
won't, and you'll make it about me whenever it is next convienent for you to do so.
No. Sorry to disappoint.
Guys, before this even gets converted into a personal flamefest - can we stop this here. if you feel you must continue - please do so offlist.
Preston Crawford wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear
their
own voice. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Interesting you'd say that Preston, because you usually say I'm the "common denominator," yet I waited to respond to several.
I didn't say it was you. Although, my inbox is filled with about 50% responses from you, so maybe you're onto something there.
[snip]
I knew something was up when I looked in my trashbin and it had over 20-30 messages to the list *just from Bryan* today. Where do people find the time??? 8-)
Cheers,
Chris Mauritz wrote:
Preston Crawford wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear
their
own voice. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Interesting you'd say that Preston, because you usually say I'm the "common denominator," yet I waited to respond to several.
I didn't say it was you. Although, my inbox is filled with about 50% responses from you, so maybe you're onto something there.
[snip]
I knew something was up when I looked in my trashbin and it had over 20-30 messages to the list *just from Bryan* today. Where do people find the time??? 8-)
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ? Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that. This is not a social hangout list.
Guys, Lets keep it sane.
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ?
Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that
Lighten up, its abit of fun, we can all take a joke can't we? Additionally, deciding what people want is entirely a personal matter, after all anyone can unsubscribe at anytime if they don't like the "heat".....
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
P.
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Chris Mauritz wrote:
Preston Crawford wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear
their
own voice. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Interesting you'd say that Preston, because you usually say I'm the "common denominator," yet I waited to respond to several.
I didn't say it was you. Although, my inbox is filled with about 50% responses from you, so maybe you're onto something there.
[snip]
I knew something was up when I looked in my trashbin and it had over 20-30 messages to the list *just from Bryan* today. Where do people find the time??? 8-)
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ? Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that. This is not a social hangout list.
Guys, Lets keep it sane.
Peter Farrow wrote:
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ?
Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that
Lighten up, its abit of fun, we can all take a joke can't we? Additionally, deciding what people want is entirely a personal matter, after all anyone can unsubscribe at anytime if they don't like the "heat".....
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
Indeed. The posts definitely went far afield of the original question. But hey, now I know which tape backup formats are "in" these days. 8-)
Cheers,
humerous knocks...
Been reading too many medical journals again.... LOL
Peter Farrow wrote:
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ?
Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that
Lighten up, its abit of fun, we can all take a joke can't we? Additionally, deciding what people want is entirely a personal matter, after all anyone can unsubscribe at anytime if they don't like the "heat".....
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
P.
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Chris Mauritz wrote:
Preston Crawford wrote:
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear
their
own voice. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Interesting you'd say that Preston, because you usually say I'm the "common denominator," yet I waited to respond to several.
I didn't say it was you. Although, my inbox is filled with about 50% responses from you, so maybe you're onto something there.
[snip]
I knew something was up when I looked in my trashbin and it had over 20-30 messages to the list *just from Bryan* today. Where do people find the time??? 8-)
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ? Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that. This is not a social hangout list.
Guys, Lets keep it sane.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Peter Farrow wrote:
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ?
Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that
Lighten up, its abit of fun, we can all take a joke can't we? Additionally, deciding what people want is entirely a personal matter, after all anyone can unsubscribe at anytime if they don't like the "heat".....
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
its easy, look at the list history, for these knocks to get into converted into personal flamefests - I for one dont want that to happen here. And with the traffic on the list growing, its important that we all act a bit mature and stay focused to what this list is about.
There are other places, more appropriate, for laughs should you seek them.
No I don't seek them per say, but anything in moderation is acceptable. To say "No laughs on this list please" is rather stilted.....
Anyone my side of the world its well past my bed time....
See you all later...
Pete
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Peter Farrow wrote:
What do you hope to achieve with personal comments such as this ?
Whatever it is - i dont think we all want that
Lighten up, its abit of fun, we can all take a joke can't we? Additionally, deciding what people want is entirely a personal matter, after all anyone can unsubscribe at anytime if they don't like the "heat".....
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
its easy, look at the list history, for these knocks to get into converted into personal flamefests - I for one dont want that to happen here. And with the traffic on the list growing, its important that we all act a bit mature and stay focused to what this list is about.
There are other places, more appropriate, for laughs should you seek them.
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On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 12:19:03AM +0000, Karanbir Singh wrote:
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
its easy, look at the list history, for these knocks to get into converted into personal flamefests - I for one dont want that to happen here. And with the traffic on the list growing, its important that we all act a bit mature and stay focused to what this list is about.
There are other places, more appropriate, for laughs should you seek them.
I would go a step further.
Looking at the list history, one will notice that Bryan, me and a few others have a particularly style of writing. Sometimes people take that as personal attacks and such, which is unfortunate. Sometimes people even think we are trolling (sorry, couldn't resist :)).
This kind of stuff is bound to happen in a mailing list like this, with people of all ages and from all around the world.
Just take a deep breath, consider maybe the other person didn't express himself in a way that clearly shows his intentions, and reply to the content behind the e-mail.
Sometimes some very interesting information can surface from some threads that look like a spitting contest.
[]s
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
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On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 12:10:18AM +0000, Peter Farrow wrote:
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
Amen to that.
Now, where did I leave my baseball bat ?
[]s
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
I am unsubscribing from this list because there's just too much junk now. People arguing onlist, endless discussion on things that really don't have a lot to do with centos and the likes of this thread that has nothing to do with centos. Shameful it's gotten this bad.
Tom wrote:
I am unsubscribing from this list because there's just too much junk now. People arguing onlist, endless discussion on things that really don't have a lot to do with centos and the likes of this thread that has nothing to do with centos. Shameful it's gotten this bad.
Hey guys -
Since it's completely on subject, I just watned to let you all know - I have gas.
Thanks -dant
Peter Farrow wrote:
I'm sure we all mature enough to take a few humerous knocks...
The problem is that they're not all humerous, it just becomes tit-for-tat point-by-point arguments. This is fine up to a point (as long as it doesn't become a flame-fest) but the signal-to-noise ratio is way, way too low ATM. It just makes the list impossible to read.
Chris Mauritz chrism@imntv.com wrote:
I knew something was up when I looked in my trashbin and it had over 20-30 messages to the list *just from Bryan*
today.
This is the "after-the-fact" and "retro-blame-things-on-Bryan" non-sense I tire of.
Fact: A _lot_ of these discussions occurred _before_ I responded, or were already snowballing within my first or two.
Fact: You still get the same volume on these subjects whether I am actively posting or not.
Fact: Some people like to play on-list antics with personal references, many based on corresponding/continuing private ones, in the hope of causing issues.
Fact: The last fact only hurts the list, and it means the people who do it are not considerate of the list anymore than they accuse me of.
But now that we've established _my_ name, well, let the scapegoating begin!
Sigh, same players, same tune, new day.
Where do people find the time??? 8-)
Maybe some of us like to see _all_ sides on a subject -- from disk to tape to etc..., and explain it as best as we can. I guess since I don't "just take a stand on X, Y and Z," and babble about where different things work, I must be someone who just likes to hear myself talk.
Sigh, I know how to fix that -- the root cause that is.
Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
I didn't say it was you. Although, my inbox is filled with about 50% responses from you, so maybe you're onto
something
there.
Maybe _now_, but not _earlier_. Consider the chronology here. ;->
Of course. And in fact you've made some good points that I agree with with regards to using LTO storage, how to share printers, etc.
Whether you agree with me or not, it was a wound for me to see you say this yet again -- almost exactly like you have said on-list and off-list several times now.
So is it me, even before I respond? Think about that before you refer to the "50%" next time. ;->
I was just pointing out my opinion on why the list was so overtaken with traffic lately.
I think it's time, now more than ever, to adopt the "Linux/Sun Managers" format. It would let these little "I know best" tit-tat-toe discussions and tangents stay off-line, and *1* person would summarize it all, the original question poster.
Either that or a separate "practices" list. This discussion was _definitely_ a candidate.
No. Sorry to disappoint.
I refer again to the "50%" above. ;->
Either that or a separate "practices" list. This discussion was _definitely_ a candidate.
A large majority of the discussions that, while useful, tend to get a little pedantic, would be good candidates for a list such as the one you describe above. I'm not sure it needs to be CentOS specific. Maybe it does. I don't know. It's a good idea, though.
I know that there have been many times where I've asked a question on a list, be it a Java list or a distro list such as SuSE or CentOS, where the question wasn't a "How do you do X in CentOS?" question as much as it was "What is the best way to accomplish X with Linux?" question.
It's an idea with merit. A list where the best practices for how to get something done (especially since many here are using CentOS as an enterprise OS) would make sense in that context. It would definitely cut traffic here down to basic questions about the distribution.
Preston
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On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:47:03PM -0800, Preston Crawford wrote:
Either that or a separate "practices" list. This discussion was _definitely_ a candidate.
A large majority of the discussions that, while useful, tend to get a little pedantic, would be good candidates for a list such as the one you describe above. I'm not sure it needs to be CentOS specific. Maybe it does. I don't know. It's a good idea, though.
I know that there have been many times where I've asked a question on a list, be it a Java list or a distro list such as SuSE or CentOS, where the question wasn't a "How do you do X in CentOS?" question as much as it was "What is the best way to accomplish X with Linux?" question.
It's an idea with merit. A list where the best practices for how to get something done (especially since many here are using CentOS as an enterprise OS) would make sense in that context. It would definitely cut traffic here down to basic questions about the distribution.
As suggested, I just created a linux-practices mailing list.
http://www.paxconsultoria.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-practices
Not that I expect anyone besides myself to signup, since I'm sure you all already subscribe to way to many lists. But at least now no one can complain about the lack of options (HA! HA!).
Standard mailman setup:
linux-practices-subscribe@paxconsultoria.com
and so on.
Then again, who knows. Maybe people will subscribe and I'll be surprised.
So now I'll go sit in my corner, and leave your mailboxes in peace for at least a while.
Best Regards,
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
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On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:25:40PM -0800, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
So is it me, even before I respond? Think about that before you refer to the "50%" next time. ;->
Actually, yes it is. You are just such an easy target LOL
Most of the "bryan" kind of traffic earlier was generated by yours trully here :)
Either that or a separate "practices" list. This discussion was _definitely_ a candidate.
I second the "practices" list recomandation.
Thanks Bryan, that is the list I was thinking of when I send you that off-list e-mail. I just could not come up with that name.
[]s
- -- Rodrigo Barbosa rodrigob@suespammers.org "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
On the motorcycle lists, we call it PMS... the snow flies, ice on the roads... 'P'arked 'M'otorcycle 'S'yndrone.
On this list, we should call it PMS... oddly.... 'P'lanned 'M'ail 'S'erver! :)
I do think that this one thread would have totally overloaded that 40g drive we were discussing some days ago. ;)
Although informative on many facets... it is getting to be a dead horse.
John Hinton
Its seems we may have discovered a form of perpetual motion.....
Its amazing how a thread I started asking about USB performance turned into a debate of parliamentary proportions on backups....
Still, some interesting points were made, and this is what forums are all about....
:-)
Preston Crawford wrote:
is it just me and my mail servers going wacko or is there a ton of traffic on the mailing list today?
- rh
The list isn't "technically" going wacko. There have just been some long threads lately, highlighted by drawn-out, often pedantic arguments. And some people like to hear their own voice.
Over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Preston
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Robert Hanson wrote:
is it just me and my mail servers going wacko or is there a ton of traffic on the mailing list today?
- rh
And this little thread of yours isnt helping anyone - or really contributing to anything. If you have a doubt about mailing list traffic - check the list archives on-line at http://lists.centos.org/
} And this little thread of yours isnt helping anyone - or really } contributing to anything. If you have a doubt about mailing list traffic } - check the list archives on-line at http://lists.centos.org/ } -- } Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522219@icq
huh? when i see over 200ish posts and delete almost all, if not all of them...
then, yes it is helping...
for one, the list _pitbull_ finally woke up! ;->
btw, thanks for reminding me of an easier way...
i actually value this list so i had to ask.
i wont make that mistake again! ;->
:-)
- rh
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