Hi All,
I have a shuttle SN78SH7 with a Seagate ST31500341AS (1.5Tb) drive. With windows Vista it sees the drive and can install to it. So far with GRML or CentOS5.2 they do not seem to be able to see this drive. Is there a particular setting I need or does CentOS not support installation to these drives yet ?
Thanks for your help
Phil
Am 18.11.2008 um 03:30 schrieb Philip Manuel:
Hi All,
I have a shuttle SN78SH7 with a Seagate ST31500341AS (1.5Tb) drive. With windows Vista it sees the drive and can install to it. So far with GRML or CentOS5.2 they do not seem to be able to see this drive. Is there a particular setting I need or does CentOS not support installation to these drives yet ?
Thanks for your help
Well, what ICH (or does the MB use a NV chipset) do you have? Is that supported by CentOS/RHEL? Question: Where does one actually find out about the supported hardware, other than booting and "'D'oh, it doesn't work"?
Rainer
It uses a NV chipset, nVidia GeForce 8200, http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail_spec.jsp?PI=939 . I added an Intel Ethernet card to get over the Marvell Ethernet issue, and a NVIDIA 8600GT card.
I forgot to add I used no additional driver disks to get Vista to see the disk.
Phil. Rainer Duffner wrote:
Am 18.11.2008 um 03:30 schrieb Philip Manuel:
Hi All,
I have a shuttle SN78SH7 with a Seagate ST31500341AS (1.5Tb) drive. With windows Vista it sees the drive and can install to it. So far with GRML or CentOS5.2 they do not seem to be able to see this drive. Is there a particular setting I need or does CentOS not support installation to these drives yet ?
Thanks for your help
Well, what ICH (or does the MB use a NV chipset) do you have? Is that supported by CentOS/RHEL? Question: Where does one actually find out about the supported hardware, other than booting and "'D'oh, it doesn't work"?
Rainer
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Philip Manuel wrote:
It uses a NV chipset, nVidia GeForce 8200, http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail_spec.jsp?PI=939 . I added an Intel Ethernet card to get over the Marvell Ethernet issue, and a NVIDIA 8600GT card.
I forgot to add I used no additional driver disks to get Vista to see the disk.
Try Ubuntu, you probably wouldn't need additional driver disks to get it workin' either. CentOS is a server oriented distro, not a desktop distro. Hardware differences between desktop and server are almost night and day in many cases. The system you link to is most definitely a desktop class system.
Or perhaps Fedora, though I'm not much of a fan of the short support cycle for Fedora(assuming it's still 6 months).
With Ubuntu(and possibly Fedora) you get the added advantage of tons more packages than what is included with CentOS/RHEL without having to resort to problematic 3rd party repositories or crazy yum configurations to try to keep a sane installation running.
CentOS works great for what it's built for.
nate
We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.
Thanks
nate wrote:
Philip Manuel wrote:
It uses a NV chipset, nVidia GeForce 8200, http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail_spec.jsp?PI=939 . I added an Intel Ethernet card to get over the Marvell Ethernet issue, and a NVIDIA 8600GT card.
I forgot to add I used no additional driver disks to get Vista to see the disk.
Try Ubuntu, you probably wouldn't need additional driver disks to get it workin' either. CentOS is a server oriented distro, not a desktop distro. Hardware differences between desktop and server are almost night and day in many cases. The system you link to is most definitely a desktop class system.
Or perhaps Fedora, though I'm not much of a fan of the short support cycle for Fedora(assuming it's still 6 months).
With Ubuntu(and possibly Fedora) you get the added advantage of tons more packages than what is included with CentOS/RHEL without having to resort to problematic 3rd party repositories or crazy yum configurations to try to keep a sane installation running.
CentOS works great for what it's built for.
nate
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Philip Manuel wrote:
We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.
Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought for my son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried several other recent Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9 (haven't tried 10 pre-release yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and Ubuntu Hardy. None could see the disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(
An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest hardware. Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until then, you may well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.
Phil
Phil Schaffner schrieb:
Philip Manuel wrote:
We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.
Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought for my son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried several other recent Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9 (haven't tried 10 pre-release yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and Ubuntu Hardy. None could see the disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(
An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest hardware. Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until then, you may well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.
As I said - it's mostly a question of which chipset the kernel knows about.
If you can retrofit a CentOS with a newer vanilla-kernel from kerne.org, it might work (or not, because you might also need newer "supporting" packages...). I wouldn't go there, though, if Ubuntu I-I works...
Rainer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Phil Schaffner Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov wrote:
Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought for my son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried several other recent Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9 (haven't tried 10 pre-release yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and Ubuntu Hardy. None could see the disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(
An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest hardware. Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until then, you may well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.
That's true, but, still, if XP can handle it, it seems as though CentOS 5, which is six years newer than XP, should be able to handle it....
OTTOMH....
mhr
on 11-18-2008 10:03 AM MHR spake the following:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Phil Schaffner Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov wrote:
Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought for my son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried several other recent Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9 (haven't tried 10 pre-release yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and Ubuntu Hardy. None could see the disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(
An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest hardware. Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until then, you may well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.
That's true, but, still, if XP can handle it, it seems as though CentOS 5, which is six years newer than XP, should be able to handle it....
OTTOMH....
mhr
But windows drivers usually load and probe the hardware on install, but linux usually depends on the PCI id's to load modules. So windows will try and load a driver, and if it doesn't bomb, record that it works and keep using it. The linux install effectively looks at the PCI id numbers and looks for a match in the /lib/modules/modules.* files.
A linux driver can sometimes be coaxed to load just by editing one of these files, but not always. Some of the kernel patches are just edits to the modules.pcimap file.
Philip Manuel wrote:
We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.
1) track down the driver for your hardware and hack it into the installation by hand. I've had to do this on several occasions for newer hardware(well not since CentOS 4.4) 2) Buy from a vendor that tests/certifies with CentOS/RHEL so you know it works when it arrives.
I highly suggest #2, less pain all around. I'd only suggest #1 for really experienced linux admins. #1 can take a significant amount of time/testing.
nate
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