On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote:
Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)
We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
Peter
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote:
On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote:
Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)
We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911). This was hashed to death back in early CentOS 7 days, so shouldn't need rehashing again......
Yeah, I know most people are going to call it 8.1, or maybe even 8.1.1911 (which is part of the name of the DVD ISO file), but officially it's CentOS 8 (1911).
On Jan 16, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Lamar Owen lowen@pari.edu wrote:
...or maybe even 8.1.1911 (which is part of the name of the DVD ISO file), but officially it's CentOS 8 (1911).
$ lsb_release -a LSB Version: :core-4.1-amd64:core-4.1-noarch Distributor ID: CentOS Description: CentOS Linux release 8.1.1911 (Core) Release: 8.1.1911 Codename: Core
On 1/16/20 2:07 PM, Warren Young wrote:
On Jan 16, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Lamar Owen lowen@pari.edu wrote:
...or maybe even 8.1.1911 (which is part of the name of the DVD ISO file), but officially it's CentOS 8 (1911).
$ lsb_release -a LSB Version: :core-4.1-amd64:core-4.1-noarch Distributor ID: CentOS Description: CentOS Linux release 8.1.1911 (Core) Release: 8.1.1911 Codename: Core
Sure; I said 'officially' not 'technically' and 'technically' it's 8.1.1911. That was part of the hashing back in the early days of C7. /etc/centos-release also contains the 'technical' release number.
(I had assumed my reply would have been more obviously tongue-in-cheek to anyone who's been around CentOS for any length of time...... :-) sorry I didn't make it clearer)
On 17/01/20 8:06 am, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote:
On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote:
Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)
We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911). This was hashed to death back in early CentOS 7 days, so shouldn't need rehashing again......
No, the hashing ove back then had nothing to do with dropping the minor release number. Doing that now is just making things way too confusing.
Back then the vast majority of the community showed disapproval for even that new naming scheme, but the wishes of the community were ignored and the new naming scheme went ahead anyways. I doubt anything different will happen now.
Yeah, I know most people are going to call it 8.1,
That's because it *is* 8.1 and calling it 8 (1911) is just confusing and ridiculous.
Peter
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:08 PM Peter peter@pajamian.dhs.org wrote:
On 17/01/20 8:06 am, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote:
On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote:
Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)
We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911). This was hashed to death back in early CentOS 7 days, so shouldn't need rehashing again......
No, the hashing ove back then had nothing to do with dropping the minor release number. Doing that now is just making things way too confusing.
Back then the vast majority of the community showed disapproval for even that new naming scheme, but the wishes of the community were ignored and the new naming scheme went ahead anyways. I doubt anything different will happen now.
Yeah, I know most people are going to call it 8.1,
That's because it *is* 8.1 and calling it 8 (1911) is just confusing and ridiculous.
Peter
I think that the e-mail subject of the announcement could be a bit misleading. Also for 7.x the subject for the latest one, posted by Johnny, was:
"Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1908) on the x86_64 Architecture"
Actually at CentOS 7 time, after some discussions, developers accepted to have both "numbers" inside release information.
For example on running systems you have
- for 7.x On 7.6: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.6.1810
On 7.7: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.7.1908 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.7.1908
And this has been maintained in 8.x too: On 8.0: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.0.1905
On the just released 8.1 # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.1.1911 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.1.1911
This is acceptable in my opinion from a final user point of view
I'm not sure but possibly the origin of the loooong discussion thread was this one from Karanbir, if interested: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-June/010444.html
HIH, Gianluca
On 1/16/20 5:03 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:08 PM Peter peter@pajamian.dhs.org wrote:
On 17/01/20 8:06 am, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote:
On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote:
Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)
We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911). This was hashed to death back in early CentOS 7 days, so shouldn't need rehashing again......
No, the hashing ove back then had nothing to do with dropping the minor release number. Doing that now is just making things way too confusing.
Back then the vast majority of the community showed disapproval for even that new naming scheme, but the wishes of the community were ignored and the new naming scheme went ahead anyways. I doubt anything different will happen now.
Yeah, I know most people are going to call it 8.1,
That's because it *is* 8.1 and calling it 8 (1911) is just confusing and ridiculous.
Peter
I think that the e-mail subject of the announcement could be a bit misleading. Also for 7.x the subject for the latest one, posted by Johnny, was:
"Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1908) on the x86_64 Architecture"
Actually at CentOS 7 time, after some discussions, developers accepted to have both "numbers" inside release information.
For example on running systems you have
- for 7.x
On 7.6: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.6.1810
On 7.7: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.7.1908 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.7.1908
And this has been maintained in 8.x too: On 8.0: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.0.1905
On the just released 8.1 # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.1.1911 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.1.1911
This is acceptable in my opinion from a final user point of view
I'm not sure but possibly the origin of the loooong discussion thread was this one from Karanbir, if interested: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-June/010444.html
Let's just say this:
We are ALWAYS going to officially call the releases:
'CentOS 8 (1911)' and 'CentOS 7 (1908)'
We are going to do it regardless of who does like it or who does not like it (myself included).
It is just the way it is and how it will be. It has been this way since the original CentOS 7 release and it is not ever changing.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
On 1/22/20 10:53 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 1/16/20 5:03 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:08 PM Peter peter@pajamian.dhs.orgmailto:peter@pajamian.dhs.org wrote:
On 17/01/20 8:06 am, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote:
On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote:
Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)
We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911). This was hashed to death back in early CentOS 7 days, so shouldn't need rehashing again......
No, the hashing ove back then had nothing to do with dropping the minor release number. Doing that now is just making things way too confusing.
Back then the vast majority of the community showed disapproval for even that new naming scheme, but the wishes of the community were ignored and the new naming scheme went ahead anyways. I doubt anything different will happen now.
Yeah, I know most people are going to call it 8.1,
That's because it *is* 8.1 and calling it 8 (1911) is just confusing and ridiculous.
Peter
I think that the e-mail subject of the announcement could be a bit misleading. Also for 7.x the subject for the latest one, posted by Johnny, was:
"Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1908) on the x86_64 Architecture"
Actually at CentOS 7 time, after some discussions, developers accepted to have both "numbers" inside release information.
For example on running systems you have
- for 7.x On 7.6: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.6.1810
On 7.7: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.7.1908 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.7.1908
And this has been maintained in 8.x too: On 8.0: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.0.1905
On the just released 8.1 # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.1.1911 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.1.1911
This is acceptable in my opinion from a final user point of view
I'm not sure but possibly the origin of the loooong discussion thread was this one from Karanbir, if interested: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-June/010444.html
Let's just say this:
We are ALWAYS going to officially call the releases:
'CentOS 8 (1911)' and 'CentOS 7 (1908)'
We are going to do it regardless of who does like it or who does not like it (myself included).
It is just the way it is and how it will be. It has been this way since the original CentOS 7 release and it is not ever changing.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
don't forget the contents of /etc/redhat-release:
cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS Linux release 7.7.1908 (Core)
sorta official?
_______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.orgmailto:CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
-- Roger Wells, P.E. leidos 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.wells@leidos.commailto:roger.k.wells@leidos.com
On 1/16/20 5:03 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:08 PM Peter peter@pajamian.dhs.org wrote:
On 17/01/20 8:06 am, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote:
On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote:
Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911)
We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911). This was hashed to death back in early CentOS 7 days, so shouldn't need rehashing again......
No, the hashing ove back then had nothing to do with dropping the minor release number. Doing that now is just making things way too confusing.
Back then the vast majority of the community showed disapproval for even that new naming scheme, but the wishes of the community were ignored and the new naming scheme went ahead anyways. I doubt anything different will happen now.
Yeah, I know most people are going to call it 8.1,
That's because it *is* 8.1 and calling it 8 (1911) is just confusing and ridiculous.
Peter
I think that the e-mail subject of the announcement could be a bit misleading. Also for 7.x the subject for the latest one, posted by Johnny, was:
"Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1908) on the x86_64 Architecture"
Actually at CentOS 7 time, after some discussions, developers accepted to have both "numbers" inside release information.
For example on running systems you have
- for 7.x
On 7.6: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.6.1810
On 7.7: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.7.1908 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.7.1908
And this has been maintained in 8.x too: On 8.0: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.0.1905
On the just released 8.1 # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.1.1911 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.1.1911
This is acceptable in my opinion from a final user point of view
I'm not sure but possibly the origin of the loooong discussion thread was this one from Karanbir, if interested: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-June/010444.html
Let's just say this:
We are ALWAYS going to officially call the releases:
'CentOS 8 (1911)' and 'CentOS 7 (1908)'
We are going to do it regardless of who does like it or who does not like it (myself included).
It is just the way it is and how it will be. It has been this way since the original CentOS 7 release and it is not ever changing.
Never, until the next change of course :-)
Wasn't it like that because RHEL maintains multiple .X levels while CentOS always only represents the current, newest level. So omitting the .X level was intended to prevent such confusion we actually see.
Simon
On 1/23/20 5:23 AM, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:
On 1/16/20 5:03 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:08 PM Peter peter@pajamian.dhs.org wrote:
On 17/01/20 8:06 am, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 1/16/20 6:49 AM, Peter wrote:
On 16/01/20 4:14 am, Brian Stinson wrote: > Release for CentOS Linux 8 (1911) > > We are pleased to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux > 8.
CentOS 8 was released in September 2019. Don't you mean 8.1?
No, they mean CentOS 8 (1911). This was hashed to death back in early CentOS 7 days, so shouldn't need rehashing again......
No, the hashing ove back then had nothing to do with dropping the minor release number. Doing that now is just making things way too confusing.
Back then the vast majority of the community showed disapproval for even that new naming scheme, but the wishes of the community were ignored and the new naming scheme went ahead anyways. I doubt anything different will happen now.
Yeah, I know most people are going to call it 8.1,
That's because it *is* 8.1 and calling it 8 (1911) is just confusing and ridiculous.
Peter
I think that the e-mail subject of the announcement could be a bit misleading. Also for 7.x the subject for the latest one, posted by Johnny, was:
"Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1908) on the x86_64 Architecture"
Actually at CentOS 7 time, after some discussions, developers accepted to have both "numbers" inside release information.
For example on running systems you have
- for 7.x
On 7.6: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.6.1810
On 7.7: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.7.1908 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 7.7.1908
And this has been maintained in 8.x too: On 8.0: # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.0.1905 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.0.1905
On the just released 8.1 # cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 8.1.1911 (Core)
# lsb_release -r Release: 8.1.1911
This is acceptable in my opinion from a final user point of view
I'm not sure but possibly the origin of the loooong discussion thread was this one from Karanbir, if interested: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-June/010444.html
Let's just say this:
We are ALWAYS going to officially call the releases:
'CentOS 8 (1911)' and 'CentOS 7 (1908)'
We are going to do it regardless of who does like it or who does not like it (myself included).
It is just the way it is and how it will be. It has been this way since the original CentOS 7 release and it is not ever changing.
Never, until the next change of course :-)
Wasn't it like that because RHEL maintains multiple .X levels while CentOS always only represents the current, newest level. So omitting the .X level was intended to prevent such confusion we actually see.
That is indeed the reasoning .. you can not stabilize on CentOS-8.0 and stay there after 8.1 RHEL source code is released .. because, 8.0 (at that point) is missing security updates that were included in 8.1. If you add those security updates, now you are running the code that 8.1 is based on.
So, the 8.0 and 8.1 and 8.2 releases are nothing more than a single point in time of the overall CentOS Linux 8 release. The CentOS mirrors only test one version of CentOS-8 .. and that is the current version with all the updates installed.
Red Hat does indeed provide to people extended support for point releases for RHEL .. they provide security updates for 8.0 for a period of time after 8.1 is released. CentOS does not do that. We never have.
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