Below is a repost of the message I sent about the strange error message I was getting when trying to build my project on CentOS. I am a software developer and don't have time to compare distros. I am also not an autotools expert. The autotools files in my project were lmade by others. It builds on everything except CentOS. I also don't have the time to build a simple test case. That would probably be time-consuming.
The only thing I can do is explain how to reproduce the error. However, this would be time-consuming for anyone trying to do so. Sorry, I think I will just have to move to another distro, even Cygwin, for C development. That is a shame, because Centos is great in other respects.
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Subject: Strange autotools error From: "John J. Boyer" john.boyer@abilitiessoft.com Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 00:08:09 -0500 To: centos@centos.org
I am using CentOS 5.6, autoconf 2.59 and automake 1.9.6. I run an autogen script which cleans all autotools files and then installs new ones. If the appliction has no dependencies running configure, make and make install works fine. However if it has dependencies I get the messages "Creating Makefile" and "Could not find input file Makefile". I've herd that I need another development package. What is it? Or what causes these contradictory messages? I must say that I have encountered this sort of problem only on CentOS.
Thanks, John
The only thing I can do is explain how to reproduce the error. However, this would be time-consuming for anyone trying to do so. Sorry, I think
You are already wasting everybody's time here. There are people on this list willing to help but you keep waffling without providing even the minimum of information that enables others to reproduce the problem. Get to the point.
John J. Boyer wrote:
Below is a repost of the message I sent about the strange error message I was getting when trying to build my project on CentOS. I am a software developer and don't have time to compare distros. I am also not an autotools expert. The autotools files in my project were lmade by others. It builds on everything except CentOS. I also don't have the time to build a simple test case. That would probably be time-consuming.
The only thing I can do is explain how to reproduce the error. However, this would be time-consuming for anyone trying to do so. Sorry, I think I will just have to move to another distro, even Cygwin, for C development.
fine, move on. I doubt anybody cares. Donating time to you in order to help you fix your problems, which are most likely BKAC, is obviously a waste.
On 7/8/11, John J. Boyer john.boyer@abilitiessoft.com wrote:
Below is a repost of the message I sent about the strange error message I was getting when trying to build my project on CentOS. I am a software developer and don't have time to compare distros.
You claim to be a software developer so surely you realize the importance of relevant information to assist in debugging/troubleshooting. Yet what you're doing is the equivalent of complaining "My program won't run, it just stops with an error at this point", then refusing to provide a trace or output log, insisting that "you can see it by writing the same program".
Mr Hodrien already demonstrated how to provide the information. Could you not at least follow suit, copy and paste the relevant commands leading up to the problem? If you had done so, he would had known the problem occurred after that point and might had actually went past when he stopped to see if he was going to get the same problem. But because you refused to provide any information, he or anybody else probably won't be bothered to waste time shooting blindly hoping to reach the step where you got stuck.
I am also not an autotools expert. The autotools files in my project were lmade by others. It builds on everything except CentOS. I also don't have the time to build a simple test case. That would probably be time-consuming.
"Building" a simple test case in this situation is as simple as narrowing down the steps and changes leading to the problem. Your refusal to provide relevant information probably wasted more time than anything else. One is almost tempted to think this was an elaborate troll :D
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
Mr Hodrien already demonstrated how to provide the information. Could you not at least follow suit, copy and paste the relevant commands leading up to the problem? If you had done so, he would had known the problem occurred after that point and might had actually went past when he stopped to see if he was going to get the same problem. But because you refused to provide any information, he or anybody else probably won't be bothered to waste time shooting blindly hoping to reach the step where you got stuck.
I was curious, so *did* find out what the cause was, and it's entirely not CentOS's fault. It's very hard to shoot blindly given that the cause was likely not to be CentOS. That only left his autoconf files, and tracing configure made it quite easy to find.
jh
On 7/8/2011 9:45 AM, John Hodrien wrote:
I was curious, so *did* find out what the cause was, and it's entirely not CentOS's fault. It's very hard to shoot blindly given that the cause was likely not to be CentOS. That only left his autoconf files, and tracing configure made it quite easy to find.
So he's done something non-standard that he doesn't remember on the RH system where he claims it works????
On 7/8/11, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/8/2011 9:45 AM, John Hodrien wrote:
I was curious, so *did* find out what the cause was, and it's entirely not CentOS's fault. It's very hard to shoot blindly given that the cause was likely not to be CentOS. That only left his autoconf files, and tracing configure made it quite easy to find.
So he's done something non-standard that he doesn't remember on the RH system where he claims it works????
Specifically somebody edited the files on a Windows machine and the process choked on the CR/LF
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
On 7/8/11, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/8/2011 9:45 AM, John Hodrien wrote:
I was curious, so *did* find out what the cause was, and it's entirely not CentOS's fault. It's very hard to shoot blindly given that the cause was likely not to be CentOS. That only left his autoconf files, and tracing configure made it quite easy to find.
So he's done something non-standard that he doesn't remember on the RH system where he claims it works????
Specifically somebody edited the files on a Windows machine and the process choked on the CR/LF
Yes, but that also means the assertion that it built fine on Redhat and so must be a CentOS problem was clearly untrue.
Vague description of problem where some of what you're being vague about is in fact not true really doesn't help people track down your problems.
jh
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
You claim to be a software developer so surely you realize the importance of relevant information to assist in debugging/troubleshooting. Yet what you're doing is the equivalent of complaining "My program won't run, it just stops with an error at this point", then refusing to provide a trace or output log, insisting that "you can see it by writing the same program".
Mr Hodrien already demonstrated how to provide the information. Could you not at least follow suit, copy and paste the relevant commands leading up to the problem? If you had done so, he would had known the problem occurred after that point and might had actually went past when he stopped to see if he was going to get the same problem. But because you refused to provide any information, he or anybody else probably won't be bothered to waste time shooting blindly hoping to reach the step where you got stuck.
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"Building" a simple test case in this situation is as simple as narrowing down the steps and changes leading to the problem. Your refusal to provide relevant information probably wasted more time than anything else. One is almost tempted to think this was an elaborate troll :D
+1
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin centos.admin@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
"Building" a simple test case in this situation is as simple as narrowing down the steps and changes leading to the problem. Your refusal to provide relevant information probably wasted more time than anything else. One is almost tempted to think this was an elaborate troll :D
I was tempted to read his website. He is a 75 yr old man who is deaf and blind.
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin centos.admin@gmail.com wrote:
<snip> > "Building" a simple test case in this situation is as simple as > narrowing down the steps and changes leading to the problem. Your > refusal to provide relevant information probably wasted more time > than anything else. One is almost tempted to think this was an > elaborate troll :D
I was tempted to read his website. He is a 75 yr old man who is deaf and blind.
This suggests, to me, cutting a little slack for the man.
About his hearing implant, which enables him to hear sound but not understand speech: "If I am in a noisy place it is nice to be able to turn off my hearing." I have wished I could switch off my hearing, MANY times in stores, and on the streets (no fan of loud rap here!).
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This suggests, to me, cutting a little slack for the man.
About his hearing implant, which enables him to hear sound but not understand speech: "If I am in a noisy place it is nice to be able to turn off my hearing." I have wished I could switch off my hearing, MANY times in stores, and on the streets (no fan of loud rap here!).
His approach was the problem. If he asked for the help to compile those projects on RHEL/CentOS I am sure someone would volunteer.
I suggest following:
John Hodrien and Lars Hecking both say they found the problem. They should exchange info and/or file a bug/patch for given code.
Someone (else?) could take over requesting maintainers of Fedora packages to support EPEL repository also (at least for C6). Fedora packages alre
This would solve this problem in most expedient way and allow people with disability to (better) use CentOS.
Ljubomir
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
This suggests, to me, cutting a little slack for the man.
About his hearing implant, which enables him to hear sound but not understand speech: "If I am in a noisy place it is nice to be able to turn off my hearing." I have wished I could switch off my hearing, MANY times in stores, and on the streets (no fan of loud rap here!).
His approach was the problem. If he asked for the help to compile those projects on RHEL/CentOS I am sure someone would volunteer.
I suggest following:
John Hodrien and Lars Hecking both say they found the problem. They should exchange info and/or file a bug/patch for given code.
Someone (else?) could take over requesting maintainers of Fedora packages to support EPEL repository also (at least for C6). Fedora packages alre
This would solve this problem in most expedient way and allow people with disability to (better) use CentOS.
As I can see, liblouisxml does not exist neither for Fedora and CentOS (EPEL) so it would be good if someone could make sure spec file is created and some maintainer takes over (existing of the liblouis package?)
Ljubomir
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 06:29:18PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: As I can see, liblouisxml does not exist neither for Fedora and CentOS (EPEL) so it would be good if someone could make sure spec file is created and some maintainer takes over (existing of the liblouis package?)
I would be delighted if someone would contact me about creating a spec file.
I am sorry if my approach alienated people, but I had been battling this peoblem on another CentOS installation for months and had even consulted experts.
Lars, please get back wo me with what you fiund about the source files.
Thanks, John
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On 7/8/11, Mauriat Miranda mlists@mjmwired.com wrote:
I was tempted to read his website. He is a 75 yr old man who is deaf and blind.
I knew that, checked it when he first started on the list. Knowing that he was doing this work despite being deaf and blind was why I even bothered to respond. Since he might just be too frustrated (I know I had done my fair share of ranting) to understand what was being required from him the first time. Also consciously stayed away from making certain remarks that would had almost certainly be doubly offensive to somebody in his situation.
That said, it doesn't excuse the way he took to the situation because if his disabilities does stop him from doing development, it shouldn't stop him from doing something like copy and paste.
On 07/08/11 10:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
...does[n't] stop him from doing development, it shouldn't stop him from doing something like copy and paste.
A couple weeks ago, on a technical support IRC forum (I forget if it was #solaris or #postgres or what), some guy came on and wanted us to look at an error.... which he posted as a YOUTUBE VIDEO. it was a simple 2-3 line text error message. apparently it was easier for him to use his fondleslab[1] to video capture the error off his screen than to paste or type the text. talk about bandwidth bloat.
[1] iphone, android etc. thank you, The Register, for this wonderful term.
On 7/9/11, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 07/08/11 10:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
...does[n't] stop him from doing development, it shouldn't stop him from doing something like copy and paste.
A couple weeks ago, on a technical support IRC forum (I forget if it was #solaris or #postgres or what), some guy came on and wanted us to look at an error.... which he posted as a YOUTUBE VIDEO. it was a simple 2-3 line text error message. apparently it was easier for him to use his fondleslab[1] to video capture the error off his screen than to paste or type the text. talk about bandwidth bloat.
On a similar note, I regularly request users to copy the error message they get in order to troubleshoot. There's this group of customers who, despite repeated instructions, will do a screenshot and email a .BMP to me. I'm undecided if that's better or worse than their previous method of printing out said screenshot, then scanning it via their copier's scan to email function before emailing the now crap quality monochrome final product to me as a PDF.
But neither beats that youtube for bloat :D
At Sat, 9 Jul 2011 02:55:32 +0800 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On 7/9/11, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
On 07/08/11 10:20 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
...does[n't] stop him from doing development, it shouldn't stop him from doing something like copy and paste.
A couple weeks ago, on a technical support IRC forum (I forget if it was #solaris or #postgres or what), some guy came on and wanted us to look at an error.... which he posted as a YOUTUBE VIDEO. it was a simple 2-3 line text error message. apparently it was easier for him to use his fondleslab[1] to video capture the error off his screen than to paste or type the text. talk about bandwidth bloat.
On a similar note, I regularly request users to copy the error message they get in order to troubleshoot. There's this group of customers who, despite repeated instructions, will do a screenshot and email a .BMP to me. I'm undecided if that's better or worse than their previous method of printing out said screenshot, then scanning it via their copier's scan to email function before emailing the now crap quality monochrome final product to me as a PDF.
But neither beats that youtube for bloat :D
I don't believe it is possible to copy and paste the text from many error message popups (I am pretty certain you can't from a standard MS-Windows error popup, but I am not sure about error popups from various Linux GUI toolkits -- *some* of them don't allow it -- the base widgets used don't provide a copyable text field). So the only way to *litterally* 'copy and paste' the error message (and some people understand the 'error message' to be the error popup window, not the *text* of the message) is to litterally do a screenshot of the popup window and send that. I guess far too many people have been trained away from textual interactions with a computer -- they only understand *graphical* interaction with a computer.
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On 7/9/11, Robert Heller heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
I don't believe it is possible to copy and paste the text from many error message popups (I am pretty certain you can't from a standard
Of course, for those cases, I understand perfectly why somebody would opt to take a screenshot. In the cases that left me stunned, the errors are usually displayed within a selectable text area such as a webpage or ironically now that you've reminded me, an email itself when complaining about email "errors".
For some reason, they didn't think they could copy/paste the text in the email headers just because it took an extra step to get the email client to display it.
window and send that. I guess far too many people have been trained away from textual interactions with a computer -- they only understand *graphical* interaction with a computer.
I guess you are right about that. But what's really sad is that it is not just the common users as well. I get fresh applicants coming in who claiming to know HTML/.NET on their resume but are hapless if they didn't have an IDE with graphical toolbars full of drag & drop icons for things like a button/link/image.
Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
window and send that. I guess far too many people have been trained away from textual interactions with a computer -- they only understand *graphical* interaction with a computer.
I guess you are right about that. But what's really sad is that it is not just the common users as well. I get fresh applicants coming in who claiming to know HTML/.NET on their resume but are hapless if they didn't have an IDE with graphical toolbars full of drag & drop icons for things like a button/link/image.
Yeah. My friend wanted to hire Web designer in a small town. Two people answered and first was given the task to create simple HTML page in text editor. The applicant was shocked and finally said he does not know how. My friend was so stumped with this that he decided to totally skip the second interview.
Ljubomir
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