It isn't that you are wrong, as much as there is a perfectly valid reason not to answer those questions.
Because then people will ask them. And return and ask another.
They are all simple except that you become a resource, and that grows. Support Irc channels are the easiest to see this in.
It isn't that it's difficult to answer these questions, it just gives no incentive for people to try and learn the answer themselves, which stunts their growth and makes them lean more on assistance.
It's easier on us all to force people to try and figure out the easy answers, because if you can't figure out with google how to restart linux from the command line, how will you be able to resolve 22 dependencies with 10 perl modules that require you to debug on 3 of them error messages that.. you get the point.
2 cents.
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Peter Farrow Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:56 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
I agree,
If a question really is very simple to answer, why not just give the answer, after all asking questions is how we all learn....
Self importance really is ultimatelty self-defeating, no one knows everything....and one day we all have to ask.
I've been in the computing game far too long to to claim to know definite answers to everything, the more you learn the more
you realise you don't know!
;-)
P.
Joao Medeiros wrote:
Same happened to me when I joined the Fedora dlist and asked some newbie question which I'm too ashamed to remember now :-)
Point is, the time it takes to reply with a "you're wasting my time" could actually be used to give some help. If peeps are too busy why bothering replying with nasty comments in the first place?!
Just my 2 cents...
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:37:08 -0700, Collins Richey
wrote:
Every list goes through this sort of thrashing:
- There are some users who are too self-important to remember back
when they were once n00bs. From what I've heard, these are the bulk of users on the Debian lists <grin>.
- There are others who can provide the simple answer AND a gentle
reminder where the n00b might find the answer him/herself. What's
the
old saying: "You ctch more flies with honey than with vinegar."
- Then there is the group (actually, subcategory of 1) who never
has
any time and can't be bothered to read anything other than super-intellectual stuff and who fills the replies with "your're wasting our time."
The most successful lists have a lot of users in category 2.
Enjoy,
-- Collins When I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million
of
them,
it was the start of a new Arab world.... The Berlin Wall hasfallen.
- Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt
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FWIW, I've noticed that newbies (& everyone else) with questions get much better responses if the question is phrased "Where can I find info on . . . or "where can I find details on how to do . . .", then if they ask "How do I do . . .". Not only do you not start a semi-polite not-quite-flame-war, but you learn other things from the reading.
Just my $0.02.
-mj-
Nathan Oyler wrote:
It isn't that you are wrong, as much as there is a perfectly valid reason not to answer those questions.
Because then people will ask them. And return and ask another.
They are all simple except that you become a resource, and that grows. Support Irc channels are the easiest to see this in.
It isn't that it's difficult to answer these questions, it just gives no incentive for people to try and learn the answer themselves, which stunts their growth and makes them lean more on assistance.
It's easier on us all to force people to try and figure out the easy answers, because if you can't figure out with google how to restart linux from the command line, how will you be able to resolve 22 dependencies with 10 perl modules that require you to debug on 3 of them error messages that.. you get the point.
2 cents.
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Peter Farrow Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:56 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
I agree,
If a question really is very simple to answer, why not just give the answer, after all asking questions is how we all learn....
Self importance really is ultimatelty self-defeating, no one knows everything....and one day we all have to ask.
I've been in the computing game far too long to to claim to know definite answers to everything, the more you learn the more
you realise you don't know!
;-)
P.
Joao Medeiros wrote:
Same happened to me when I joined the Fedora dlist and asked some newbie question which I'm too ashamed to remember now :-)
Point is, the time it takes to reply with a "you're wasting my time" could actually be used to give some help. If peeps are too busy why bothering replying with nasty comments in the first place?!
Just my 2 cents...
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:37:08 -0700, Collins Richey
wrote:
Every list goes through this sort of thrashing:
- There are some users who are too self-important to remember back
when they were once n00bs. From what I've heard, these are the bulk of users on the Debian lists <grin>.
- There are others who can provide the simple answer AND a gentle
reminder where the n00b might find the answer him/herself. What's
the
old saying: "You ctch more flies with honey than with vinegar."
- Then there is the group (actually, subcategory of 1) who never
has
any time and can't be bothered to read anything other than super-intellectual stuff and who fills the replies with "your're wasting our time."
The most successful lists have a lot of users in category 2.
Enjoy,
-- Collins When I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million
of
them,
it was the start of a new Arab world.... The Berlin Wall hasfallen.
- Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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