An announce list is standard fare, not like we are talking about something that would be terrible to maintain here.
Create a list that does not allow posts, send it a message when a new package is available. Boom, 0 administration, almost 0 storage, very little resources.
It is good practice and you will get a lot of subscribers that don't want to see the day to day traffic or visit the site constantly.
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Francois Caen Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:55 PM To: CentOS discussion and information list Subject: Re: [Centos] Re: centos-announce list?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:45:56 +0100, Anne Possoz anne.possoz@epfl.ch wrote:
That make sense. But wouldn't it be enough to have a special quote at the beginning of the subject like [Centos] [ANNOUNCE] [Centos] [SECURITY] so that filtering could satisfy anyone.
That would work, I could filter based on it.
I am not sure that more mailing lists will help to be a community.
IMHO.
Different people have different needs and interests. I'm already part of other communities like my local LUG. So I'm mostly interested in Announces from Centos, not really in "how do I burn CDs?" and the like.
Francois _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Mark A. Lewis wrote:
An announce list is standard fare, not like we are talking about something that would be terrible to maintain here.
Create a list that does not allow posts, send it a message when a new package is available. Boom, 0 administration, almost 0 storage, very little resources.
It is good practice and you will get a lot of subscribers that don't want to see the day to day traffic or visit the site constantly.
I think everyone can agree to that. So, who of the CentOS admins can create such a list and make sure developers use it for all updates (and maybe important news items only).
A consistent subject would gain some extra karma points, like:
[NEWS] CentOS 6 RC1 for i386 released [UPDATE] CentOS 3 - kernel, httpd, rpm [UPDATE] CentOS 4 - openldap, lftp
or whatever makes more sense.
-- dag wieers, dag@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [all I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power]
On Friday, 25 February 2005, at 03:18:56 (+0100), Dag Wieers wrote:
I think everyone can agree to that. So, who of the CentOS admins can create such a list and make sure developers use it for all updates (and maybe important news items only).
The list has been created.
http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce/
Michael
Hello all,
Just wanting to check in and see if CentOS v3.4 final has found the fix to the issues that RedHat v3.0 ES has been having with very high CPU use on IOWAIT ??
IF so what was the fix and or work around? .. We have lots of RH 3.0 servers that we are in the process of converting over to CentOS.
BRW
I've noticed very considerable improvements with the machines thet were initially lagging in that area in CentOS 3.4. If you have a specific fix that you apply to your rhel machines it should still apply to CentOS, but at least check its still required before hand.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:58:31 -0800, Brian Watters brwatters@abs-internet.com wrote:
Hello all,
Just wanting to check in and see if CentOS v3.4 final has found the fix to the issues that RedHat v3.0 ES has been having with very high CPU use on IOWAIT ??
IF so what was the fix and or work around? .. We have lots of RH 3.0 servers that we are in the process of converting over to CentOS.
BRW
CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 06:58:31PM -0800, Brian Watters wrote:
Hello all,
Just wanting to check in and see if CentOS v3.4 final has found the fix to the issues that RedHat v3.0 ES has been having with very high CPU use on IOWAIT ??
There is lot of confusion around the whole IOWAIT-thingie. It's perfectly OK to have machine running 100% (or very close) I/O wait. These is nothing wrong in that if the disk I/O is still running as expected.
It's just CPU-time that is accounted as process waiting for I/O to finnish (it's seen as idle time on vanilla 2.4).
So do you actually have 'sluggish' I/O like speeds dropping cloose to nothing or just this I/O wait?
IF so what was the fix and or work around? .. We have lots of RH 3.0 servers that we are in the process of converting over to CentOS.
There is no extra patches on CentOS-3 kernels which would make it any better than the upsource kernel.
For the record, i've been iterating this 'iowait' a lot. My final closure for it was that ext3 just is broken with 3w-9xxx controller and was unbareable, so i pathed the XFS in to the kernel tree and has been much happier since that.
Another thing is that i was easily triggering this 'close to nothing for I/O speed' with ext3 on vanilla 2.4-seris too. Never with UP-kernel tho.
The kernels has been available like ages on
http://core.upi.iki.fi/out/kernel/
if someone (few has) would find those usable. This does account to the '3ware 9500S' thread too seen here lately - why do you fight with that when someone has patched it in already and even tested it for you? :P
The problem being tho that it's not available while installing .... It could be, but all the cloners seem to be so uptight to 'just pure clone' and not to make any enhancements over upstream source provider.
Anyway. I mostly do this kernel enhancing for parts I do need and share the results with whom might find those useable.
Pasi,
Ok so I need to find which of these kernels would work in our environment ..
RH v3.0ES Dual P3 CPU SCSI Raid5 PERC 3/Si Ext3
BRW
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Pasi Pirhonen Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:15 PM To: CentOS discussion and information list Subject: Re: [Centos] IOWAIT High CPU use
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 06:58:31PM -0800, Brian Watters wrote:
Hello all,
Just wanting to check in and see if CentOS v3.4 final has found the fix to the issues that RedHat v3.0 ES has been having with very high CPU use on IOWAIT ??
There is lot of confusion around the whole IOWAIT-thingie. It's perfectly OK to have machine running 100% (or very close) I/O wait. These is nothing wrong in that if the disk I/O is still running as expected.
It's just CPU-time that is accounted as process waiting for I/O to finnish (it's seen as idle time on vanilla 2.4).
So do you actually have 'sluggish' I/O like speeds dropping cloose to nothing or just this I/O wait?
IF so what was the fix and or work around? .. We have lots of RH 3.0 servers that we are in the process of converting over to CentOS.
There is no extra patches on CentOS-3 kernels which would make it any better than the upsource kernel.
For the record, i've been iterating this 'iowait' a lot. My final closure for it was that ext3 just is broken with 3w-9xxx controller and was unbareable, so i pathed the XFS in to the kernel tree and has been much happier since that.
Another thing is that i was easily triggering this 'close to nothing for I/O speed' with ext3 on vanilla 2.4-seris too. Never with UP-kernel tho.
The kernels has been available like ages on
http://core.upi.iki.fi/out/kernel/
if someone (few has) would find those usable. This does account to the '3ware 9500S' thread too seen here lately - why do you fight with that when someone has patched it in already and even tested it for you? :P
The problem being tho that it's not available while installing .... It could be, but all the cloners seem to be so uptight to 'just pure clone' and not to make any enhancements over upstream source provider.
Anyway. I mostly do this kernel enhancing for parts I do need and share the results with whom might find those useable.
-- Pasi Pirhonen - upi@iki.fi - http://iki.fi/upi/ _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 18:58 -0800, Brian Watters wrote:
Hello all,
Just wanting to check in and see if CentOS v3.4 final has found the fix to the issues that RedHat v3.0 ES has been having with very high CPU use on IOWAIT ??
IF so what was the fix and or work around? .. We have lots of RH 3.0 servers that we are in the process of converting over to CentOS.
I've seen that using WB on a Dell 2400 with a Perc2 RAID controller ... it's apparently a known issue with certain kernel versions and that controller, updating the firmware may help. You may want to checkout Redhat's bugzilla on that issue.
Paul Berger
Yeah Redhat still has no fix and it appears there are more RAID controllers they are having issues with other that the Dell's ..
BRW
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@caosity.org [mailto:centos-bounces@caosity.org] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:57 PM To: CentOS discussion and information list Subject: Re: [Centos] IOWAIT High CPU use
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 18:58 -0800, Brian Watters wrote:
Hello all,
Just wanting to check in and see if CentOS v3.4 final has found the fix to the issues that RedHat v3.0 ES has been having with very high CPU use on IOWAIT ??
IF so what was the fix and or work around? .. We have lots of RH 3.0 servers that we are in the process of converting over to CentOS.
I've seen that using WB on a Dell 2400 with a Perc2 RAID controller ... it's apparently a known issue with certain kernel versions and that controller, updating the firmware may help. You may want to checkout Redhat's bugzilla on that issue.
Paul Berger
_______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
OK.. after all the stink about creating an announce list.... :) (yes, I was for it, too)
So, now the next logical question.
Will announements be made 'only' to the announce lists or will they be made to this list as well?
I'm sorry, but I'm finding myself about to fall out of my chair laughing at all of this. Such a good group and we get in a stink over an announce list.. too funny.
Best, John Hinton
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 22:12 -0500, John Hinton wrote:
OK.. after all the stink about creating an announce list.... :) (yes, I was for it, too)
So, now the next logical question.
Will announements be made 'only' to the announce lists or will they be made to this list as well?
I'm sorry, but I'm finding myself about to fall out of my chair laughing at all of this. Such a good group and we get in a stink over an announce list.. too funny.
Best, John Hinton
If we are going to use a -announce list, then it is where announcements will be made :) ... if we were going to continue to use this list for announcements, there would be no need for an announce list.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 22:12 -0500, John Hinton wrote:
OK.. after all the stink about creating an announce list.... :) (yes, I was for it, too)
So, now the next logical question.
Will announements be made 'only' to the announce lists or will they be made to this list as well?
I'm sorry, but I'm finding myself about to fall out of my chair laughing at all of this. Such a good group and we get in a stink over an announce list.. too funny.
Best, John Hinton
If we are going to use a -announce list, then it is where announcements will be made :) ... if we were going to continue to use this list for announcements, there would be no need for an announce list.
Um...Johnny, that's no fair. You're using logic. That's against the rules. LOL
Ben
Now that some saw the light, I tried subscribing to announce. However:
6FAE9A362C 2789 Fri Feb 25 10:25:29 henkvl@cs.uu.nl (connect to lists.caosity.org[69.93.111.164]: Connection timed out) centos-announce-request@lists.caosity.org
[CET zone, reoccuring until now]
This list seems to be not using some 'temple.caosity.org.', however, the here announced link to subscribe to the new list does?
Any succesfull subscribers?
Cheers,
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 02:56:04PM +0100, Henk van Lingen wrote:
Any succesfull subscribers?
I had no problem.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 03:26:59PM +0100, Bruno Depero wrote:
Any succesfull subscribers?
I had no problem.
Me too.
Hm, strange. So you both received a welcome message?
sarastro:/users/henkvl 729% telnet lists.caosity.org smtp Trying 69.93.111.164... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
But temple.caosity.org is reachable by traceroute.
Cheers,
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 03:39:11PM +0100, Henk van Lingen wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 03:26:59PM +0100, Bruno Depero wrote:
Any succesfull subscribers?
I had no problem.
Me too.
Hm, strange. So you both received a welcome message?
Well, I received a verification email to reply to, no welcome message after doing so. So perhaps the subscription didn't work after all....
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Welcome and confirmation code/url. It seems I'm subscribed !
cheers :-)
Henk van Lingen ha scritto:
Hm, strange. So you both received a welcome message?
sarastro:/users/henkvl 729% telnet lists.caosity.org smtp Trying 69.93.111.164... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
But temple.caosity.org is reachable by traceroute.
Cheers,
Hello all
I have compiled a driver 3w-9xxx.o for my centos 3.3 (Kernel 2.4 - grub). But now i have a problem. The 3ware controller and disks will be alone in the server. But that cannot work. So i have the following idea. I will install an IDE-Drive on the onboard controller. On that drive i will mount the boot partition. But now i must installed the modules in the kernel How can i do that? Or have you another good way to install the driver because the problem is that if the driver is not in the kernel the raid will not boot from them or?
I thank all who can help me.
This is exactly what initrd (initial ram disk) is for, boot the kernel off an initrd image which will preload that module and only then start normal system bootup...
Cheers, MaZe.
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Sven wrote:
Hello all
I have compiled a driver 3w-9xxx.o for my centos 3.3 (Kernel 2.4 - grub). But now i have a problem. The 3ware controller and disks will be alone in the server. But that cannot work. So i have the following idea. I will install an IDE-Drive on the onboard controller. On that drive i will mount the boot partition. But now i must installed the modules in the kernel How can i do that? Or have you another good way to install the driver because the problem is that if the driver is not in the kernel the raid will not boot from them or?
I thank all who can help me.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@caosity.org http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 22:12 -0500, John Hinton wrote:
OK.. after all the stink about creating an announce list.... :) (yes, I was for it, too)
So, now the next logical question.
Will announements be made 'only' to the announce lists or will they be made to this list as well?
I'm sorry, but I'm finding myself about to fall out of my chair laughing at all of this. Such a good group and we get in a stink over an announce list.. too funny.
Best, John Hinton
If we are going to use a -announce list, then it is where announcements will be made :) ... if we were going to continue to use this list for announcements, there would be no need for an announce list.
Gee, you must have no idea how email works. Many of us have more things to do than keep up with multiple mailing lists. Please get a clue and just understand we need what might be at times redundant.
Gee, you must have no idea how email works. Many of us have more things to do than keep up with multiple mailing lists. Please get a clue and just understand we need what might be at times redundant.
Gee, you must have no idea how email works. Many of us have more things to do than keep up with multiple mailing lists. Please get a clue and just understand we need what might be at times redundant.
:) :) :)
Yup, you got me. Then I saw the name.....
Oh, BTW Johnny.... dspam rocks! Lemme know if you want a 'sort of put together' step by step install process for your howtos.
John Hinton
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