It seems that the mirrors are now all sync'd with the binary RPMs, but where are the source packages?
The source RPMs are available for the few packages updated since the upstream 5.3 release, but the SRPMS for the release itself are missing.
Example: http://mirror.centos.org/centos-5/5.3/os/ has directories containing the x86 and x86_64 binaries, but should also have a SRPMS directory.
Steve Snyder wrote:
It seems that the mirrors are now all sync'd with the binary RPMs, but where are the source packages?
The source RPMs are available for the few packages updated since the upstream 5.3 release, but the SRPMS for the release itself are missing.
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Regards,
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt napsal(a):
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Regards,
Ralph, I don´t like this solution. When things go wrong I want to look at the source. And as for now there's no reference to look at. David Hrbáč
On 04/01/09 14:45, David Hrb?? enlightened us:
Ralph Angenendt napsal(a):
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Regards,
Ralph, I don?t like this solution. When things go wrong I want to look at the source. And as for now there's no reference to look at. David Hrb??
ftp.redhat.com? For 98% of the packages, that should be fine...
Matt
Matthew Hyclak wrote:
On 04/01/09 14:45, David Hrb?? enlightened us:
Ralph Angenendt napsal(a):
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
I don?t like this solution. When things go wrong I want to look at the source. And as for now there's no reference to look at.
David: We don't either. But that really would have swamped the complete mirror network.
ftp.redhat.com? For 98% of the packages, that should be fine...
Yes. That would be the best solution for this at the moment.
Regards,
Ralph
From: David Hrbáč hrbac.conf@seznam.cz
Ralph Angenendt napsal(a):
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Ralph, I don´t like this solution. When things go wrong I want to look at the source. And as for now there's no reference to look at. David Hrbáč
Why don't you just wait until the mirors are fully in sync (srpms included)? Waiting for a few extra hours should not be that big of a deal...
JD
From: Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de
John Doe wrote:
Why don't you just wait until the mirors are fully in sync (srpms included)? Waiting for a few extra hours should not be that big of a deal...
Because it will be more than "a few extra hours".
Like... 6 months? My point was that some people have already been waiting for weeks/months for it... So a few hours/days won't change much.
JD
John Doe wrote:
From: Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de
John Doe wrote:
Why don't you just wait until the mirors are fully in sync (srpms included)? Waiting for a few extra hours should not be that big of a deal...
Because it will be more than "a few extra hours".
Like... 6 months? My point was that some people have already been waiting for weeks/months for it... So a few hours/days won't change much.
JD
IMHO what should have happened is the src be up on CentOS server but not sent to the mirrors until the massive bandwidth has died down.
Maybe the mirrors could get an html file pointing to the CentOS directory until they get the src.rpm's.
But I'm pretty good at being an armchair quarterback - maybe next release.
An alternative might be to tease the community by syncing the src.rpm's a week before the release :D ;)
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 11:21 -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote:
John Doe wrote:
From: Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de
John Doe wrote:
Why don't you just wait until the mirors are fully in sync (srpms included)? Waiting for a few extra hours should not be that big of a deal...
Because it will be more than "a few extra hours".
Like... 6 months? My point was that some people have already been waiting for weeks/months for it... So a few hours/days won't change much.
JD
IMHO what should have happened is the src be up on CentOS server but not sent to the mirrors until the massive bandwidth has died down.
IMO, David - as with any user - has his desires. And as with any project, reasonable management of available resources is occasionally required.
The project did what it needs to do, suggestions have been made as to getting around the (relatively small) delay.
No more needs be said except that we all understand the user's need for timely source and the users all understand the projects need to consider things outside the user's realm of concern.
Positive suggestions about how to reconcile those conflicts, sans carping about one's own needs/desires, would probably be welcome by the project. This is all business as usual for any project such as this.
<snip>
For all the CentOS folks, project members and users alike, one big BOOYAH! And a thinks for the effort.
IMO
David Hrbáč wrote:
Ralph Angenendt napsal(a):
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Regards,
Ralph, I don´t like this solution. When things go wrong I want to look at the source. And as for now there's no reference to look at. David Hrbáč
David,
Not an ideal solution by any means, but for the moment there is at least the upstream sources for the vast majority of packages (as CentOS change relatively few).
David Hrbáč wrote:
Ralph Angenendt napsal(a):
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Regards,
Ralph, I don´t like this solution. When things go wrong I want to look at the source. And as for now there's no reference to look at. David Hrbáč
Right, if you "don't like this solution", feel free to take a RHN account .. btw you can always fetch Upstream SRPMs , no ?
Fabian Arrotin napsal(a):
Right, if you "don't like this solution", feel free to take a RHN account .. btw you can always fetch Upstream SRPMs , no ?
Fabian, well, I've got feeling that the mantra is "get the RH" for every point coming out from the community. What do I have to think about this release? ISOs are pushed in the wild before the release notes, translators does not have time enough before the release to prepare localized RN, SRPM are not included, nor this is mentioned within the RN... David
David Hrbáč wrote:
Fabian Arrotin napsal(a):
Right, if you "don't like this solution", feel free to take a RHN account .. btw you can always fetch Upstream SRPMs , no ?
Fabian, well, I've got feeling that the mantra is "get the RH" for every point coming out from the community. What do I have to think about this release? ISOs are pushed in the wild before the release notes,
My understanding of what happened with ISO's -
They were kind by seeding a torrent with ~ 95% of the isos - the intention being that when official release was made, those who got in on the early torrent would only have ~ 5% to fetch.
That kindness was abused when someone found a mirror that opened early (mirrors opening early has happened to Fedora and other distros as well, it's a mirror admin problem) and seeded the full iso on that torrent resulting in people getting the full iso before it was released.
Fabian Arrotin wrote:
David Hrbáč wrote:
Ralph Angenendt napsal(a):
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Regards,
Ralph, I don´t like this solution. When things go wrong I want to look at the source. And as for now there's no reference to look at. David Hrbáč
Right, if you "don't like this solution", feel free to take a RHN account .. btw you can always fetch Upstream SRPMs , no ?
Well, technically the source has to be made available from CentOS to anyone they distribute the software to.
However, I don't believe it needs to be made available by http, CentOS would probably be in GPL compliance if they distributed it on IBM punch cards to those who requested it.
Michael A. Peters wrote:
However, I don't believe it needs to be made available by http, CentOS would probably be in GPL compliance if they distributed it on IBM punch cards to those who requested it.
FLOPPY DISKS! FOR A MEDIA HANDLING FEE of $5/disk! (thats totally legal per GPL, the recipient is free to redistribute any way they wish)
/me ducks, & runs
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, John R Pierce wrote:
Michael A. Peters wrote:
However, I don't believe it needs to be made available by http, CentOS would probably be in GPL compliance if they distributed it on IBM punch cards to those who requested it.
FLOPPY DISKS! FOR A MEDIA HANDLING FEE of $5/disk! (thats totally legal per GPL, the recipient is free to redistribute any way they wish)
360K floppies, not those new-fangled 1.4M thingees (which weren't all that floppy, anyway).
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 11:35 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
Michael A. Peters wrote:
However, I don't believe it needs to be made available by http, CentOS would probably be in GPL compliance if they distributed it on IBM punch cards to those who requested it.
FLOPPY DISKS! FOR A MEDIA HANDLING FEE of $5/disk!
I have 1 each 360Kb and 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drives and cables for those who need them! Worked last time I used them (umpteen years ago) and they are on the floor awaiting shipping instructions. I've also got media for them, but they may have aged a wee bit.
(thats totally legal per GPL, the recipient is free to redistribute any way they wish)
/me ducks, & runs
/I got your back
<snip>
Michael A. Peters wrote:
Well, technically the source has to be made available from CentOS to anyone they distribute the software to.
However, I don't believe it needs to be made available by http, CentOS would probably be in GPL compliance if they distributed it on IBM punch cards to those who requested it.
No. We have to distribute it the same way we distribute the binaries, so David is correct. And yes, this was a release with many hiccups, he's correct there, too. And I can understand him, I probably would feel the same.
But as it stands we're going to release the SRPMS a bit later than the binaries, and we will try to make the next release smoother.
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Is there _any_ chance the 5.3 SRPMS could be made available somehow - e.g. on a single server, before they are pushed out to the mirrors?
I would like to have a look at a couple of CentOS modified SRPMS
Thanks
James Pearson
James Pearson wrote:
Is there _any_ chance the 5.3 SRPMS could be made available somehow - e.g. on a single server, before they are pushed out to the mirrors?
I would like to have a look at a couple of CentOS modified SRPMS
The src's and debuginfo's are uploading now ( they have been for the last 2 days ) - so should be online in the next day or so.
- KB
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:22:05PM +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
James Pearson wrote:
Is there _any_ chance the 5.3 SRPMS could be made available somehow - e.g. on a single server, before they are pushed out to the mirrors?
I would like to have a look at a couple of CentOS modified SRPMS
The src's and debuginfo's are uploading now ( they have been for the last 2 days ) - so should be online in the next day or so.
- KB
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Are the source rpm's being sent out to the mirrors such that each mirror gets all the source rpm's, and then the next mirror gets all the source rpm's? Or, are some of the source rpm's made available, then sent to all the mirrors sites, then more source rpm's are made available, until all of them are done?
I'm looking for the anaconda source rpm. Yes, I know, it's available from the upstream vendor.
Thanks,
--Seth
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Alford, Seth wrote:
I'm looking for the anaconda source rpm. Yes, I know, it's available from the upstream vendor.
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/12378998/com/anaconda-11.1.2.168...
this site seems to have it:
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/centos/5.3/os/i386/CentOS/anaconda-11.1.2.168-1.el5.centos.i386.rpm
warning: anaconda-11.1.2.168-1.el5.centos.x86_64.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e8562897 Name : anaconda Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 11.1.2.168 Vendor: CentOS Release : 1.el5.centos Build Date: Wed 11 Mar 2009 10:38:13 AM PDT Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: chamkaur.karan.org Group : Applications/System Source RPM: anaconda-11.1.2.168-1.el5.centos.src.rpm
nate
nate wrote:
Alford, Seth wrote:
I'm looking for the anaconda source rpm. Yes, I know, it's available from the upstream vendor.
this site seems to have it:
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/centos/5.3/os/i386/CentOS/anaconda-11.1.2.168-1.el5.centos.i386.rpm
How is that a source rpm?
Ralph
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 10:31:37AM -0700, Alford, Seth wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:22:05PM +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
James Pearson wrote:
Is there _any_ chance the 5.3 SRPMS could be made available somehow - e.g. on a single server, before they are pushed out to the mirrors?
I would like to have a look at a couple of CentOS modified SRPMS
The src's and debuginfo's are uploading now ( they have been for the last 2 days ) - so should be online in the next day or so.
- KB
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Are the source rpm's being sent out to the mirrors such that each mirror gets all the source rpm's, and then the next mirror gets all the source rpm's? Or, are some of the source rpm's made available, then sent to all the mirrors sites, then more source rpm's are made available, until all of them are done?
I'm looking for the anaconda source rpm. Yes, I know, it's available from the upstream vendor.
Thanks,
--Seth
And I see the anaconda source rpm today at, for example, http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/centos/5.3/os/SRPMS/anaconda-11.1.2.168-1.el5.cen...
Thanks.
--Seth
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2009/4/1 Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de:
Steve Snyder wrote:
It seems that the mirrors are now all sync'd with the binary RPMs, but where are the source packages?
The source RPMs are available for the few packages updated since the upstream 5.3 release, but the SRPMS for the release itself are missing.
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Regards,
Ralph
Not to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes, but isn't that a GPL violation? Seeing as you can make an RPM from an SRPM but not vice versa, and the source is what the GPL focuses on.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Michael Holmes holmesmich@googlemail.com wrote:
Not to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes, but isn't that a GPL violation? Seeing as you can make an RPM from an SRPM but not vice versa, and the source is what the GPL focuses on.
Please read the first few messages in the beginning of this thread, that already cover this.
And obviously a project as big as CentOS has dealt with the GPL before, and they know what they are doing. This is a matter of pragmatism and obviously not willful disobedience by the CentOS project. And we're only talking like maybe week or so here.
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:32:36 +0100 Michael Holmes wrote:
Not to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes, but isn't that a GPL violation? Seeing as you can make an RPM from an SRPM but not vice versa, and the source is what the GPL focuses on.
I'm not any kind of a legal expert, but I suspect that the concept of "reasonable effort" comes into play here.
If you requested GPL source for something by snailmail letter it's not a GPL violation if it takes the post office a few days to deliver the letter and the guy on the other end a little longer to package and ship a CD or tape to you.
Michael Holmes wrote:
Coming later. Please let the mirrors handle the load of people updating their machines first. When the first wave of updates have gone down, the SRPMS will be put onto the mirrors.
Not to be Mr. Goody Two Shoes, but isn't that a GPL violation? Seeing as you can make an RPM from an SRPM but not vice versa, and the source is what the GPL focuses on.
Is it? What if you had asked for a specific src.rpm and we would have given you a download location for it?
As said: It is not a perfect solution, but more a pragmatic one.
What probably should be done next time is to at least offer the SRPMS of modified packages at release time, as you can get the other SRPMS from somewhere else until the CentOS mirrors have synced up.
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
What probably should be done next time is to at least offer the SRPMS of modified packages at release time, as you can get the other SRPMS from somewhere else until the CentOS mirrors have synced up.
I have actually plumbed this into the scripts now, so all pkgs with a 'centos' in there will be already on os/SRPMS/ at release time.
From: Steve Snyder swsnyder@snydernet.net It seems that the mirrors are now all sync'd with the binary RPMs, but
where are the source packages?
I think I read, a few posts ago, something about source rpms being delayed a bit to reduce the traffic...
JD
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