The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or did the site maintainers just forget about it.
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:
The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or did the site maintainers just forget about it.
The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can assist ?
On 09/16/2011 01:00 PM, Always Learning wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:
The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or did the site maintainers just forget about it.
The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can assist ?
No, only a select few have the appropriate privileges to perform that task.
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 02:54 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
On 09/16/2011 01:00 PM, Always Learning wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:
The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or did the site maintainers just forget about it.
The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can assist ?
No, only a select few have the appropriate privileges to perform that task.
Regrettably those few have not been performing much web site activity for a noticeable period of time. For example, see below.
Its time to express thanks to the previous web team and invite fresh volunteers to continue the work.
Regards,
Paul.
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On 09/17/2011 03:23 AM, Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 02:54 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
On 09/16/2011 01:00 PM, Always Learning wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:
The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or did the site maintainers just forget about it.
The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can assist ?
No, only a select few have the appropriate privileges to perform that task.
Regrettably those few have not been performing much web site activity for a noticeable period of time. For example, see below.
Its time to express thanks to the previous web team and invite fresh volunteers to continue the work.
As I said above, this isn't something people can volunteer for - only a very select few have the appropriate privileges to perform the task. There are trust issues.
However, you can file a bug report against the website.
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 03:32 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
As I said above, this isn't something people can volunteer for - only a very select few have the appropriate privileges to perform the task. There are trust issues.
However, you can file a bug report against the website.
What is the point in 'complaining' by filing a BUG report when it is conspicuously evident the existing web person(s) can not cope because they have insufficient time or have died or have withdrawn from an active Centos involvement.
Ideally the Centos Management Board could use this list and other lists to ask for web help.
You wrote about 'trust issues'. Surely it just a web site which can have access restricted to all the web pages or some of them and that access be withdrawn for 'trust issues' after the volunteers have finished updating it ? That is very easy to do on Centos / Apache.
Another method is to give the volunteers a demo sub-domain, for example: new.centos.org, and let the volunteers construct an updated version there. When it is approved by the Centos Management Board, those refreshed web pages can be moved to www.centos.org. Simple, eh (and not a trace of SQL joins or views anywhere) :-)
Best regards,
Paul.
On 09/17/2011 03:44 AM, Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 03:32 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
As I said above, this isn't something people can volunteer for - only a very select few have the appropriate privileges to perform the task. There are trust issues.
However, you can file a bug report against the website.
What is the point in 'complaining' by filing a BUG report when it is conspicuously evident the existing web person(s) can not cope because they have insufficient time or have died or have withdrawn from an active Centos involvement.
Because as far as the CentOS Project is concerned, if there isn't a bug report the issue doesn't exist. Those that can fix the issue don't necessarily read the users mailing list so the correct thing to do is file a bug report.
Ideally the Centos Management Board could use this list and other lists to ask for web help.
You wrote about 'trust issues'. Surely it just a web site which can have access restricted to all the web pages or some of them and that access be withdrawn for 'trust issues' after the volunteers have finished updating it ? That is very easy to do on Centos / Apache.
Another method is to give the volunteers a demo sub-domain, for example: new.centos.org, and let the volunteers construct an updated version there. When it is approved by the Centos Management Board, those refreshed web pages can be moved to www.centos.org. Simple, eh (and not a trace of SQL joins or views anywhere) :-)
There is an ongoing Website V2 sub-project that has been running for some time:
http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2 http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/websitever2/
Feel free to get involved.
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 04:06 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
There is an ongoing Website V2 sub-project that has been running for some time:
http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2 http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/websitever2/
Can't see any new web site on the latter URL. I'm not a Flash user by choice.
Perhaps the Centos web site should be simple, practical, helpful in preference to emulating the very latest presentation gimmicks ? A larger font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age.
Feel free to get involved.
My work load is excessive and will be so for probably another 6 to 12 months and I have told KB I'm willing to organise some Centos events. I also have my own web sites of about 9,000 pages to overhaul and new pages on another site to write, as news editor, and then publish.
Paul.
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Always Learning wrote:
Can't see any new web site on the latter URL. I'm not a Flash user by choice.
Perhaps the Centos web site should be simple, practical, helpful in preference to emulating the very latest presentation gimmicks ? A larger font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age.
yeah -- fiddling with websites is a major priority, compared to, say, issuing a update that, frankly, was flawless on several hundred machines I've run the 5.7 bump on. While I wish QA could happen faster, some interesting and picky corner cases were spotted and never bit the millions of machines outside of QA test units
Feel free to get involved.
My work load is excessive and will be so for probably another 6 to 12 months and I have told KB I'm willing to organise some Centos events. I
what a crock -- go cry elsewhere, troll
I suppose I'll have to take up mailing list moderation issues again -- The person I needed to talk with is already away for the weekend, however. Fortunately we have already covered the topic of addressing your spam and have consensus as to how to proceed
It is _so_ much more useful and rewarding to be a kindergarten playground monitor, than to do that pesky business of bug testing and package building ... not
-- Russ herrold
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 00:47 -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Always Learning wrote:
Perhaps the Centos web site should be simple, practical, helpful in preference to emulating the very latest presentation gimmicks ? A larger font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age.
yeah -- fiddling with websites is a major priority, compared to, say, issuing a update that, frankly, was flawless on several hundred machines I've run the 5.7 bump on. While I wish QA could happen faster, some interesting and picky corner cases were spotted and never bit the millions of machines outside of QA test units
That is why I wrote:-
"The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can assist ?"
"Another method is to give the volunteers a demo sub-domain, for example: new.centos.org, and let the volunteers construct an updated version there. When it is approved by the Centos Management Board, those refreshed web pages can be moved to www.centos.org. "
The same bunch of dedicated operating system providers can not reasonable be expected to do every task connected with Centos. That is perfectly obvious. Hence the suggestion about appealing for fresh volunteers to revise the web site.
Paul.
what a crock -- go cry elsewhere, troll
I suppose I'll have to take up mailing list moderation issues again -- The person I needed to talk with is already away for the weekend, however. Fortunately we have already covered the topic of addressing your spam and have consensus as to how to proceed
It is _so_ much more useful and rewarding to be a kindergarten playground monitor, than to do that pesky business of bug testing and package building ... not
-- Russ herrold
Russ!!!
too bad there isnt an online way to give money to CentOS project...
ill bet you would take in a boatload of money re: donations to censor and/or kick "a.l. paul" off the lists
- rh
On 09/16/11 8:29 PM, Always Learning wrote:
Perhaps the Centos web site should be simple, practical, helpful in preference to emulating the very latest presentation gimmicks ? A larger font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age.
about 700 years ago, give or take a century, they invented these things called 'eyeglasses' for us older folks.
I'm 57, have typical age induced astigmatism and have worn bifocals since I was about 45... I use high res screens and have no trouble with the centos site's readability, its fonts are the standard size for the DPI I choose on my screens (typically 100dpi), with standard system defaults, the centos fonts are pretty much the same size as wikipedia, google searches, and nearly every other website.
I rather strongly dislike 'easy reader' pages with giant fonts, they feel like they are dumbed down for 1st graders and take far too much scrolling to read any significant content.
Anyways, most every browser has a zoom function for those who refuse to wear corrective lenses, often alt + and alt - ...
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 00:29 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
On 09/16/11 8:29 PM, Always Learning wrote:
Perhaps the Centos web site should be simple, practical, helpful in preference to emulating the very latest presentation gimmicks ? A larger font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age.
about 700 years ago, give or take a century, they invented these things called 'eyeglasses' for us older folks.
Do you realise they were probably only 10 months of the year then and, in the western world, New Year's Day was circa 1 April ? And such luxuries as 'eye glasses' were not available to the vast majority of people, many of whom had never heard of them.
I'm 57, have typical age induced astigmatism and have worn bifocals since I was about 45... I use high res screens and have no trouble with the centos site's readability, its fonts are the standard size for the DPI I choose on my screens (typically 100dpi), with standard system defaults, the centos fonts are pretty much the same size as wikipedia, google searches, and nearly every other website.
Centos is a gigantic world-wide free service used on uncountable (tens? hundreds? of) millions of machines from the latest data centre blade servers to notebooks. Inevitably some people somewhere may not be able to afford spectacles and High Resolution computer screens. Centos should be about usability and accessibility, as an operating system and as documentation including the web site.
I noticed the small size of the typeface* on www.centos.org. An examination reveals
div class="blockContent"
CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution ....
A further examination reveals the font size is set in
centercolumn
font-size: 12px;
and it is not black
color: #464646;
I rather strongly dislike 'easy reader' pages with giant fonts, they feel like they are dumbed down for 1st graders and take far too much scrolling to read any significant content.
No person suggested 'easy reader' whatever that is. No person suggested 'giant fonts'. What was stated was:
" A larger font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age. "
In the context of the small, 12 PX, typeface used on www.centos.org, a larger font size means
13px, 14px, 15px, 16px, 17px, 18px ....... et cetera.
Thus my comment was reasonable, proportionate and sensible.
Anyways, most every browser has a zoom function for those who refuse to wear corrective lenses, often alt + and alt - ...
Readers of material in browsers should not have to routinely alter their browser's display settings to compensate for poorly designed web sites.
On 9/17/11, Always Learning centos@u61.u22.net wrote:
and it is not black
color: #464646;
While the exact optimal shade is arguable (a tad too light IMO), past ergonomics studies indicate that extreme contrast such as #000000 on #ffffff is more tiring to read so can't really fault the devs on this one.
Anyways, most every browser has a zoom function for those who refuse to wear corrective lenses, often alt + and alt - ...
Readers of material in browsers should not have to routinely alter their browser's display settings to compensate for poorly designed web sites.
Developers of websites should not have to alter their site design to compensate for a minority's refusal to make full use of the tools at their disposal. ;)
It might be better to file the bug report against the website for the missing documentation that to harp on the design :)
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 20:47 +0800, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote:
It might be better to file the bug report against the website for the missing documentation that to harp on the design :)
It was essentially a suggestion the Centos Management Board appeal for fresh volunteers to revise the web site.
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Always Learning wrote:
However, you can file a bug report against the website.
What is the point in 'complaining' by filing a BUG report when it is conspicuously evident the existing web person(s) can not cope because they have insufficient time or have died or have withdrawn from an active Centos involvement.
If there is no bug, there is no statement of a problem to slot and to consider how to resolve. This was the rule from before CentOS started, and remains the case. All bug filings are read by several reviewers. If a person is unhappy with how CentOS addresses matters and * needs * deterministic timeframes for answers, go buy a SLA. If unhappy with the project, leave and stop using its resources
As to withdrawal from listening here, has it ever occurred that the sustained OT noise and disrespect of a resource freely provided is in part causative of the ill you whine about. It's just not worth the effort to wade through a cesspool day after day. Entropy wins again
I understand from off list correspondence with you, 'Always', that you consider it relaxation and sport to troll here and 'stir the pot'. Most others see a post from you and deem it a major 'buzzkill', based on the complaints I get in email and in IRC
Sad, as the tragedy of the commons, and the incessant shouting of a troll, and the insistence of a few of their right to always 'have the last word,' have, in part, sapped the life out of what was a vibrant project three and four years ago
Ah, well, life goes on, and new greener pastures of fresh projects await over the hill into tomorrow
-- Russ herrold
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Always Learning wrote:
I am unaware of ever making those comments !
Check your file copy of your email to me of 25 Aug. I won't engage in a battle of semantics with an anonymous troll
To all:
As a matter of logistics, we are putting some new permissions in place to permit the stewards of the CentOS resources to quell the flood of off topic matter. The protocol will probably be first a private word to repeated instigator of noise off the mailing list, and then a silent moderation of that person; there is also the capacity to close down further posts on a subject line in Mailman, and we may use that as well
I considered and proposed a formal and public nomination and voting system but this was probably geeky technical overkill. Also it would have required material coding to get up and running, to address what is, in the end, simply sustained bad behaviour by a few serial offenders. We'll be trying what in already in Mailman first
I'm not happy about this moderation, but as one of the other stewards said:
some of these conversations are really getting out of hand, the level of OT isnt even funny anymore. People seem to have descended into a social chatter list attitude rather than something that is topical and meant to be a collection of people focused on a specific interest.
I'm all for putting a mod flag on these guys, specially for the guys who have been on the list for a while
and I am much more unhappy with the hijacking of the list for personal entertainment and trolling sport
Thank you for bearing with us as we steer the list back to addressing CentOS usage specific matter
-- Russ herrold
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 11:41 -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Always Learning wrote:
I am unaware of ever making those comments !
Check your file copy of your email to me of 25 Aug. I won't engage in a battle of semantics with an anonymous troll
From: Always Learning centos@u61.u22.net To: R P Herrold herrold@centos.org Subject: Re: centos] what happened to rpmforge? Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:52:25 +0100
"I work longer hours than you, usually 7 days a week. I post for a wee break."
My words are nothing like what you alleged.
Paul. Anyone Interested in a Centos+Chat list? Reply privately please.
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