Dear All,
I know it is an oxymoron: good free ... service ;-)
Still, can someone recommend good free email service?
I definitely will not go with google, Microsoft, Apple. I don't have same strong feeling about yahoo as I have about above, but...
Anyway, thanks in advance for all your advises.
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 11:21 AM Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Dear All,
I know it is an oxymoron: good free ... service ;-)
Still, can someone recommend good free email service?
I definitely will not go with google, Microsoft, Apple. I don't have same strong feeling about yahoo as I have about above, but...
Anyway, thanks in advance for all your advises.
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Vic Chester vcsubscriptions@gmail.com wrote:
Aside from semi-charitable organizations like that, I wouldn’t expect good free email service to exist. It’s seriously complicated to run a properly-configured email server.
The last time I looked into it, there were something like 24 separate RFCs an SMTP-only server had to implement, and much of that complexity spills over into the administration side, such as DKIM setup. Then you have everything outside of the protocol such as spam filtering, blacklist/greylist/whitelist maintenance, TLS key updates, OS updates, etc.
Expect to pay for what you use, either by throwing a whole lot of your own time at it or paying someone to spend that time on your behalf. Unless you’re doing this for educational or professional reasons, where the time spent is paid back handsomely, it’s probably a better trade to pay someone to handle it for you.
On 11/09/2018 12:07 PM, Warren Young wrote:
On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Vic Chester vcsubscriptions@gmail.com wrote:
Aside from semi-charitable organizations like that, I wouldn’t expect good free email service to exist. It’s seriously complicated to run a properly-configured email server.
The last time I looked into it, there were something like 24 separate RFCs an SMTP-only server had to implement, and much of that complexity spills over into the administration side, such as DKIM setup. Then you have everything outside of the protocol such as spam filtering, blacklist/greylist/whitelist maintenance, TLS key updates, OS updates, etc.
Expect to pay for what you use, either by throwing a whole lot of your own time at it or paying someone to spend that time on your behalf. Unless you’re doing this for educational or professional reasons, where the time spent is paid back handsomely, it’s probably a better trade to pay someone to handle it for you. _______________________________________________
Plus there's constantly dealing with spam lists.
I run my own, using postfix + dovecot + roundcube, but because I can't afford my own subnet - I end up constantly on spam blacklists when someone else on my subnet sends spam.
The blacklists don't care that I've had these IP addresses for years, never spam, etc. - they just see someone on the subnet spam and they blacklist the entire subnet and you have to fill out their form to get removed, often to just be added again in a week.
It's a real pain the arse.
On 11/09/2018 12:07 PM, Warren Young wrote:
On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Vic Chester vcsubscriptions@gmail.com wrote:
Aside from semi-charitable organizations like that, I wouldn’t expect good free email service to exist. It’s seriously complicated to run a properly-configured email server.
The last time I looked into it, there were something like 24 separate RFCs an SMTP-only server had to implement, and much of that complexity spills over into the administration side, such as DKIM setup. Then you have everything outside of the protocol such as spam filtering, blacklist/greylist/whitelist maintenance, TLS key updates, OS updates, etc.
Expect to pay for what you use, either by throwing a whole lot of your own time at it or paying someone to spend that time on your behalf. Unless you’re doing this for educational or professional reasons, where the time spent is paid back handsomely, it’s probably a better trade to pay someone to handle it for you. _______________________________________________
Plus there's constantly dealing with spam lists.
I run my own, using postfix + dovecot + roundcube, but because I can't afford my own subnet - I end up constantly on spam blacklists when someone else on my subnet sends spam.
The blacklists don't care that I've had these IP addresses for years, never spam, etc. - they just see someone on the subnet spam and they blacklist the entire subnet and you have to fill out their form to get removed, often to just be added again in a week.
It's a real pain the arse. _______________________________________________
Dear Valeri,
Although I could not agree more with what everyone has said about the difficulty of having your own mail server, I believe it is still worthwhile. I would encourage you to do it yourself or be willing to pay someone else to provide the service for you. In my opinion you can't pay them enough :) If you manage your own, at least you will have privacy and the ability to control your own information.
Good Luck!!!
Greg
On 2018-11-10 03:22, Alice Wonder wrote:
On 11/09/2018 12:07 PM, Warren Young wrote:
On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Vic Chester vcsubscriptions@gmail.com wrote:
Aside from semi-charitable organizations like that, I wouldn’t expect good free email service to exist. It’s seriously complicated to run a properly-configured email server.
The last time I looked into it, there were something like 24 separate RFCs an SMTP-only server had to implement, and much of that complexity spills over into the administration side, such as DKIM setup. Then you have everything outside of the protocol such as spam filtering, blacklist/greylist/whitelist maintenance, TLS key updates, OS updates, etc.
Expect to pay for what you use, either by throwing a whole lot of your own time at it or paying someone to spend that time on your behalf. Unless you’re doing this for educational or professional reasons, where the time spent is paid back handsomely, it’s probably a better trade to pay someone to handle it for you. _______________________________________________
Plus there's constantly dealing with spam lists.
I run my own, using postfix + dovecot + roundcube, but because I can't afford my own subnet - I end up constantly on spam blacklists when someone else on my subnet sends spam.
The blacklists don't care that I've had these IP addresses for years, never spam, etc. - they just see someone on the subnet spam and they blacklist the entire subnet and you have to fill out their form to get removed, often to just be added again in a week.
It's a real pain the arse.
FWIW, I used to run my mail server at home, on my own private IP (through my ISP). When I moved, in May, I had to switch providers and they didn't offer static IP for home users, so I've moved my DNS and mail server to the cloud.
Between the two of them, they cost me about $50/month...not cheap, but my IP isn't automatically on blacklists and I control everything, including inbound spam protection.
On 11/10/2018 03:45 PM, Mike Burger wrote:
On 2018-11-10 03:22, Alice Wonder wrote:
*snip*
It's a real pain the arse.
FWIW, I used to run my mail server at home, on my own private IP (through my ISP). When I moved, in May, I had to switch providers and they didn't offer static IP for home users, so I've moved my DNS and mail server to the cloud.
Between the two of them, they cost me about $50/month...not cheap, but my IP isn't automatically on blacklists and I control everything, including inbound spam protection.
I use Linode - sometimes it will go many months w/o being put on a blacklist, sometimes its a lot more common, I think they rotate IP assignment and when unused IP addresses on my subnet are not being assigned to new accounts there is no issue.
I just wish the spam lists would do a better job at realizing a well-aged domain that's been on the same IP address for years isn't a spammer and shouldn't be part of the blacklist.
In many respects I see it as a net neutrality issue, pushing everyone into the big providers that do their own share of spamming yet are never blacklisted because they are too big to blacklist.
I'm thinking about trying to design a DKIM based white list, e.g. if DKIM validates from aged domain that doesn't have positive spaminess to it, skip the IP based spam checks.
But even if I came up with something, the big e-mail companies wouldn't care to use it, they have no financial motive to and every financial motive not to (forces users into their tracking ecosystem)
Le 11/11/2018 à 00:55, Alice Wonder a écrit :
I just wish the spam lists would do a better job at realizing a well-aged domain that's been on the same IP address for years isn't a spammer and shouldn't be part of the blacklist.
I've been running my own mail server for the last five years or so. In my humble experience, spam lists are about as subtle and discerning as the bouncer at the door of our local night club. Everyone who's even remotely non-white doesn't get in. You may be a doctor or a teacher, he just won't care. On the other hand, all rednecks are welcome.
:o)
Niki
-----Original Message----- From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org On Behalf Of Vic Chester Sent: den 9 november 2018 17:23 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: good free email service ?
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 11:21 AM Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Dear All,
I know it is an oxymoron: good free ... service ;-)
Still, can someone recommend good free email service?
I definitely will not go with google, Microsoft, Apple. I don't have same strong feeling about yahoo as I have about above, but...
+1 on Protonmail! I like their mindset.
My private mail is on Gmail. I use Yahoo for signing up on stuff, where I expect spam to be, uh, expected.
-- //Sorin
On 11/9/18 10:20 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Dear All,
I know it is an oxymoron: good free ... service ;-)
Still, can someone recommend good free email service?
pop, imap, 2FA
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