Hi,
Sorry about the top-posting, I'm replying from my blackberry.
I've been following this thread for a while and really don't see why people respond so rabidly to criticism. If something bothers/bores me about a thread I just Ignore the thread/user. If no one is interested the thread dies out on its own. However, let if someone has something to say let them. The people who reply/comment *want* to talk about it. No one forces anyone to *read* the thread. Just ignore it. It's that simple. Going as far as threatening to ban a user for commenting negatively or positively or. even "off-topic" (this is relative, e.g., I found the discussion on the strengths & weaknesses of ubuntu/centos/redhat el interesting & in some cases informative as the various issues were debated). I would think that there's nothing wrong with allowing people the freedom to discuss centos-related stuff on the centos list. As I mentioned earlier it's as simple as ignoring a thread if don't like it. There's no need to flame, ban or go on a rant just because someone says something you don't like about your favourite OS has been attacked. For the record I *like* centos & am in the process of replacing some of my fedora & ubuntu server installations *with* centos.
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-----Original Message----- From: Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:28 To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Redhat vs centos vs ubuntu
On 11/11/2011 08:04 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:45 AM, John R. Dennison jrd@gerdesas.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 02:28:26PM +0100, Alain Péan wrote:
Seriously. This is _not_ the list for this. Readers should not have to wade through the morass of this thread or even spend the second or so required to thread kill it. It's off-topic. This is not an advocacy list to debate merits of one distro over another. If you like Ubuntu, fine - we don't need to know about it. If you don't like CentOS, fine, this list, however, isn't the venue to rattle on about it.
This thread and others like it are not about people not 'liking' CentOS all of a sudden and everyone know that. It is about what the people who expected a reasonably current CentOS to be available may be forced to use instead.
If you are unhappy with CentOS then you need to think that perhaps you should be using something else. And if you _are_ using something else why bother taking up my time and that of the thousands of other list members complaining about CentOS or expressing your various displeasures here?
We are pretty much all in the same boat here. If someone can authoritatively say that CentOS will never be more than a few weeks (even months, whatever...) behind upstream, then such discussion will end of its own accord. Otherwise everyone needs a plan B.
What is older than that now if you look at 6.x CR? The only thing lagging right now is the building of new install media. But if you install 6.0 and use CR, you are in good shape. There are even updates in there that are newer than 6.1 (it also contains the updates TO 6.1).
I can never say how long it will take to build something that we have not built yet ... if we have to redesign a system from scratch, it will take time. You are correct, if CentOS does not work for you then move on. Move on to a new OS and move on to a new list.
So I ask you, and all the others, to _please_ consider that the _vast_ majority of active readers of this list don't care one way or another about opinions of CentOS vs Ubuntu or hearing, yet again, about your displeasure with whatever is irritating you today about CentOS.
Sorry, but I don't believe that there is any such vast majority that isn't concerned about the situation.
This list is for the community to use to get and provide support for CentOS ... not for constant bellyaching and non stop whining. This list has become non usable because of the trash that it has become.
Starting today, I will be banning people from posting on this list.
Vreme: 11/12/2011 07:46 AM, Errol Mangwiro piše:
Hi,
Sorry about the top-posting, I'm replying from my blackberry.
I've been following this thread for a while and really don't see why people respond so rabidly to criticism. If something bothers/bores me about a thread I just Ignore the thread/user. If no one is interested the thread dies out on its own. However, let if someone has something to say let them. The people who reply/comment *want* to talk about it. No one forces anyone to *read* the thread. Just ignore it. It's that simple. Going as far as threatening to ban a user for commenting negatively or positively or. even "off-topic" (this is relative, e.g., I found the discussion on the strengths& weaknesses of ubuntu/centos/redhat el interesting& in some cases informative as the various issues were debated). I would think that there's nothing wrong with allowing people the freedom to discuss centos-related stuff on the centos list. As I mentioned earlier it's as simple as ignoring a thread if don't like it. There's no need to flame, ban or go on a rant just because someone says s
omething you don't like about your favourite OS has been attacked.
For the record I *like* centos& am in the process of replacing some of my fedora& ubuntu server installations *with* centos.
Hi Errol.
It is not about freedom of speech. We passed that threshold months ago. Note that complaining and warning have only started after 10 days of non-stop discussion and almost *90* messages! I found discussion interesting, but *up to a point*.
It stopped being interesting only after *repeated* statements. And this argument goes back several months back in various threads. Also, those "Ubuntu is better" statements are mostly written by same 5-8 people, over and over again, always saying the same thing. *That* is what is tiresome.
There are countless mailing list and forums available and open for "beat a dead horse" games. All some of us asked is that they do not play those loud games in front of *our* bedroom windows.
I hope this clears it up a little.
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