https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
I use KDE and they need to, quality is lacking, every time I boot up I get to discover where my icons will be located (and this has been going on through at least a couple of recvisions). Locking doesn't help, even making the file I thought contained the positions immutable didn't help. I'm going to have to look at Trinity.
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
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Leroy Tennison wrote:
I use KDE and they need to, quality is lacking, every time I boot up I get to discover where my icons will be located (and this has been going on through at least a couple of recvisions). Locking doesn't help, even making the file I thought contained the positions immutable didn't help. I'm going to have to look at Trinity.
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.
mark
Interesting, I'm going to have to try something based on your comment, although I've been through a few distro releases /home has remained the same.
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________________________________________ From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of mark m.roth@5-cent.us Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:19 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024
Leroy Tennison wrote:
I use KDE and they need to, quality is lacking, every time I boot up I get to discover where my icons will be located (and this has been going on through at least a couple of recvisions). Locking doesn't help, even making the file I thought contained the positions immutable didn't help. I'm going to have to look at Trinity.
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.
mark
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On 11/2/18 3:19 PM, mark wrote:
Leroy Tennison wrote:
I use KDE and they need to, quality is lacking, every time I boot up I get to discover where my icons will be located (and this has been going on through at least a couple of recvisions). Locking doesn't help, even making the file I thought contained the positions immutable didn't help. I'm going to have to look at Trinity.
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.
It all depends on how you arrange it and what extensions you use. I have a very Mac-link setup on Gnome.
Le 02/11/2018 à 21:19, mark a écrit :
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.
My reaction to GNOME 3 has been roughly the same as with systemd. At first, I hated it with a passion. Then I saw everyone else seemed to use it. So I started to read the docs and experiment a little bit. And now I'm using it on a daily basis, and to my bewilderment, I've grown to like it.
* https://blog.microlinux.fr/gnome-centos/
* https://blog.microlinux.fr/poste-de-travail-gnome-centos-7/
Sad to hear the news about KDE though. My custom version of CentOS 7 and KDE 4 is running nicely on a few installations for clients:
* https://blog.microlinux.fr/poste-de-travail-centos-7/
The only real problem I see with KDE is their frantic release schedule. Six months seems to be "LTS" for the average KDE developer.
Cheers,
Niki
On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 19:22, Nicolas Kovacs info@microlinux.fr wrote:
My reaction to GNOME 3 has been roughly the same as with systemd. At first, I hated it with a passion. Then I saw everyone else seemed to use it. So I started to read the docs and experiment a little bit. And now I'm using it on a daily basis, and to my bewilderment, I've grown to like it.
Thanks for the readings - as someone that recently moved from 10+ years on Ubuntu, I quite liked Unity. I'm finding Gnome a little brain dead in some obvious-to-me-why-not-everyone-else areas.
For me, the saddest thing about this announcement is that I *still* think Amarok is the best media player available, even if I've not used it for a while. Installing the entire KDE base for one program is just too heavy. It really is streets ahead of the other media players though.
Cheers L.
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Le 03/11/2018 à 10:10, Lachlan Musicman a écrit :
For me, the saddest thing about this announcement is that I *still* think Amarok is the best media player available, even if I've not used it for a while. Installing the entire KDE base for one program is just too heavy. It really is streets ahead of the other media players though.
For the last ten years or so, I've been using Audacious for audio and VLC for pretty much everything else. Plus, I have a no-GUI install of MPlayer, which I use regularly for watching videos that need some treatment like subtitle sync. Works perfectly.
Amarok is nice, but reminds me of the "All You Can Eat" formula in a chinese restaurant where you would be forced to eat every dish. In France we call this "une usine à gaz".
On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 20:18, Nicolas Kovacs info@microlinux.fr wrote:
Le 03/11/2018 à 10:10, Lachlan Musicman a écrit :
For me, the saddest thing about this announcement is that I *still* think Amarok is the best media player available, even if I've not used it for a while. Installing the entire KDE base for one program is just too heavy.
It
really is streets ahead of the other media players though.
Amarok is nice, but reminds me of the "All You Can Eat" formula in a chinese restaurant where you would be forced to eat every dish. In France we call this "une usine à gaz".
Ah yes. I can see that. I said media player, but I only use it for music. And I used it very heavily - 10-12 hours a day, often with non Linux users controlling it. It's interface was very smart and intuitive for non linux users.
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Le 03/11/2018 à 10:27, Lachlan Musicman a écrit :
Ah yes. I can see that. I said media player, but I only use it for music. And I used it very heavily - 10-12 hours a day, often with non Linux users controlling it. It's interface was very smart and intuitive for non linux users.
Well, Audacious is what I install for all my users (about 200 on the latest count). Just the features you need. You might want to add all the Audacious-related packages from the nux-dextop repository (great for all things multimedia).
On 11/03/2018 01:22 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
Le 02/11/2018 à 21:19, mark a écrit :
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.
My reaction to GNOME 3 has been roughly the same as with systemd. At first, I hated it with a passion. Then I saw everyone else seemed to use it. So I started to read the docs and experiment a little bit. And now I'm using it on a daily basis, and to my bewilderment, I've grown to like it.
What really did me in when I was trying to like it, the scroll bars were gone and I was told they could be put back in place with configuration. So I tried to find the configuration option and couldn't find it. Then I was told that I had to hand-code CSS to get them back.
I installed MATE the very next day.
I did briefly try it again a few month ago and I just can't figure it out. It's like it is trying to be a tablet OS or something, but I'm not using a touchscreen, I'm using a mouse and keyboard.
On 11/03/2018 06:41 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
On 11/03/2018 01:22 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
Le 02/11/2018 à 21:19, mark a écrit :
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.
My reaction to GNOME 3 has been roughly the same as with systemd. At first, I hated it with a passion. Then I saw everyone else seemed to use it. So I started to read the docs and experiment a little bit. And now I'm using it on a daily basis, and to my bewilderment, I've grown to like it.
What really did me in when I was trying to like it, the scroll bars were gone and I was told they could be put back in place with configuration. So I tried to find the configuration option and couldn't find it. Then I was told that I had to hand-code CSS to get them back.
Oy! Yes!!!! I am still NOT loving gnome3 since my CentOS7 install in mid-Sept. I would install Mate but...always wary of branches like that that might not have continued development support.
I installed MATE the very next day.
I did briefly try it again a few month ago and I just can't figure it out. It's like it is trying to be a tablet OS or something, but I'm not using a touchscreen, I'm using a mouse and keyboard
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On 11/3/18 6:41 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
On 11/03/2018 01:22 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
Le 02/11/2018 à 21:19, mark a écrit :
Odd, I've never had that problem. On the other hand, I *really* dislike gnome. I think their target is 16 yr olds.
My reaction to GNOME 3 has been roughly the same as with systemd. At first, I hated it with a passion. Then I saw everyone else seemed to use it. So I started to read the docs and experiment a little bit. And now I'm using it on a daily basis, and to my bewilderment, I've grown to like it.
What really did me in when I was trying to like it, the scroll bars were gone and I was told they could be put back in place with configuration. So I tried to find the configuration option and couldn't find it. Then I was told that I had to hand-code CSS to get them back.
On top of that there are seperate css files for the various versions of gtk, and the syntax was changed over time, but to get the scrollbars back for applications built under all different versions of gtk, you have to edit css files for all the different versions. Then there are some applications like thunderbird where what you put in the css files doesn't seem to change the scrollbars.
The one that I could never figure out is this... I run reverse video in many windows because it's easier on my eyes. The windows have no borders, so when they overlap there's no separation between windows. If you goggle for it, dozens of solutions come up, but none of them have worked for me.
Nataraj
On 2018-11-03, Alice Wonder alice@domblogger.net wrote:
What really did me in when I was trying to like it, the scroll bars were gone and I was told they could be put back in place with configuration. So I tried to find the configuration option and couldn't find it. Then I was told that I had to hand-code CSS to get them back.
All you need is
export GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0
No need for CSS hand-coding.
Am 02.11.2018 um 21:02 schrieb Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net:
But it's interesting nonetheless.
AFAIK, Gnome was favored vs. KDE because of some accessibility issues.
Yet, I once read a review that claimed that even though Gnome was the „official“ desktop of RHEL, their KDE implementation was more feature-complete than SuSE’s on SLES.
Which was pretty depressing to read, TBH.
On 11/2/18 4:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
I dunno, I've TRIED to like KDE....really I have, but its just so kludgy, and menu-obsessed, that I can never really get it to where I'm comfortable with it. I've been using Gnome since the early days of Fedora and have watched it progress, I guess its just a better fit for me. And the older version that comes with CEntOS is also just fine. So this isn't heartbreaking for me as much as to those who have use KDE and have grown to love it over the years.
At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:02:56 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actual xterms.
On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 04:35:40PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actual xterms.
Well, I use Xfce, but I understand your approach (as someone used to write just an .xsession file for startup etc.). I have to admit some panel stuff is pretty ok (like battery applet, network applet for switching wifi and vpn's etc.). Terminals with tabs (Xfce terminal) are nice to have too: my desktop is mainly 4-8 terminals with each 4+ tabs and a browser ;-).
I was happy with the release of GNOME 3 afterwards, because it forced me to leave GNOME completely and switch to something better, Xfce :-).
On 11/2/18 3:35 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:02:56 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actual xterms.
Indeed, my alternatives to Mate would/may be one the these. Interestingly, some people when they see my screen (I'm sysadmin supporting a couple of Departments, about 300 people) ask "what Linux distribution do you have". I have to explain that that is Mate desktop environment... and it is actually FreeBSD, not Linux I run on my workstation. I don't know, it sounds like even people who are quite familiar with Linux to even ask that question, are not that familiar that that is the Desktop Environment for X11 that mostly defines "look and feel". World is different from what it was a decade ago ;-)
Valeri
At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 15:58:06 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On 11/2/18 3:35 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
At Fri, 2 Nov 2018 14:02:56 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actual xterms.
Indeed, my alternatives to Mate would/may be one the these. Interestingly, some people when they see my screen (I'm sysadmin supporting a couple of Departments, about 300 people) ask "what Linux distribution do you have". I have to explain that that is Mate desktop environment... and it is actually FreeBSD, not Linux I run on my workstation. I don't know, it sounds like even people who are quite familiar with Linux to even ask that question, are not that familiar that that is the Desktop Environment for X11 that mostly defines "look and feel". World is different from what it was a decade ago ;-)
Yeah, there are very few of us that completely skipped MS-DOS/MS-Windows/MacOS-Clasic and *never* used a graphical file manager or any of the eye-candy that people now believe is "standard" or "normal". I went from VMS on a VT<whatever> to a VAXStation 2000 to a VAXStation 3000, to DECStation 5000, to Linux, with some time spent on CP/M-68K and OS-9/68000, as well as SunOS, IRIX, etc. *I* have never owned a machine running any verison of MS-Windows (I did have a box that dual booted MS-DOS and Linux).
Valeri
On 03/11/18 02:31, Robert Heller wrote:
<snip>
Yeah, there are very few of us that completely skipped MS-DOS/MS-Windows/MacOS-Clasic and *never* used a graphical file manager or any of the eye-candy that people now believe is "standard" or "normal". I went from VMS on a VT<whatever> to a VAXStation 2000 to a VAXStation 3000, to DECStation 5000, to Linux, with some time spent on CP/M-68K and OS-9/68000, as well as SunOS, IRIX, etc. *I* have never owned a machine running any verison of MS-Windows (I did have a box that dual booted MS-DOS and Linux).
VTs? How about a VAX 11/782 with two LA120s, one per CPU. :-)
There were advantages in hardcopy consoles when dealing with system crashes or boot problems.
Oh, I will confess to once owning W95 and W98 machines, but I do remember finally issuing the command "# rm -r /C".
At Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:38:03 +0000 J Martin Rushton martinrushton56@btinternet.com, CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
From: J Martin Rushton martinrushton56@btinternet.com To: centos@centos.org Message-ID: 8a7a2aea-33da-9f3c-00a1-c6471fa02683@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024 References: 20181102200256.GA18584@mutt.melvilletheatre.net 20181102203540.6DE5326C22DA@sharky3.deepsoft.com f664e653-a03c-3604-cec5-bcaadf9bd613@kicp.uchicago.edu 20181103023156.B332D26C22D6@sharky3.deepsoft.com In-Reply-To: 20181103023156.B332D26C22D6@sharky3.deepsoft.com
On 03/11/18 02:31, Robert Heller wrote:
<snip>
Yeah, there are very few of us that completely skipped MS-DOS/MS-Windows/MacOS-Clasic and *never* used a graphical file manager or any of the eye-candy that people now believe is "standard" or "normal". I went from VMS on a VT<whatever> to a VAXStation 2000 to a VAXStation 3000, to DECStation 5000, to Linux, with some time spent on CP/M-68K and OS-9/68000, as well as SunOS, IRIX, etc. *I* have never owned a machine running any verison of MS-Windows (I did have a box that dual booted MS-DOS and Linux).
VTs? How about a VAX 11/782 with two LA120s, one per CPU. :-)
There were advantages in hardcopy consoles when dealing with system crashes or boot problems.
I did use a LA120 on a PDP-15...
Oh, I will confess to once owning W95 and W98 machines, but I do remember finally issuing the command "# rm -r /C".
On 03/11/18 22:49, Robert Heller wrote:
At Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:38:03 +0000 J Martin Rushton martinrushton56@btinternet.com, CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
From: J Martin Rushton martinrushton56@btinternet.com To: centos@centos.org Message-ID: 8a7a2aea-33da-9f3c-00a1-c6471fa02683@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] Red Hat is Planning To Deprecate KDE on RHEL By 2024 References: 20181102200256.GA18584@mutt.melvilletheatre.net 20181102203540.6DE5326C22DA@sharky3.deepsoft.com f664e653-a03c-3604-cec5-bcaadf9bd613@kicp.uchicago.edu 20181103023156.B332D26C22D6@sharky3.deepsoft.com In-Reply-To: 20181103023156.B332D26C22D6@sharky3.deepsoft.com
On 03/11/18 02:31, Robert Heller wrote:
<snip>
Yeah, there are very few of us that completely skipped MS-DOS/MS-Windows/MacOS-Clasic and *never* used a graphical file manager or any of the eye-candy that people now believe is "standard" or "normal". I went from VMS on a VT<whatever> to a VAXStation 2000 to a VAXStation 3000, to DECStation 5000, to Linux, with some time spent on CP/M-68K and OS-9/68000, as well as SunOS, IRIX, etc. *I* have never owned a machine running any verison of MS-Windows (I did have a box that dual booted MS-DOS and Linux).
VTs? How about a VAX 11/782 with two LA120s, one per CPU. :-)
There were advantages in hardcopy consoles when dealing with system crashes or boot problems.
I did use a LA120 on a PDP-15...
Ah, I only ran RSX on a PDP-11. Did you ever come across the SB "Shoe Box"-11 systems? We used them as graphics processors on CAD workstattions linked to the VAX by RS232 serial lines.
Oh, I will confess to once owning W95 and W98 machines, but I do remember finally issuing the command "# rm -r /C".
Le 02/11/2018 à 21:35, Robert Heller a écrit :
I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows.
Can you post a screenshot of your setup ? I'm curious.
Thanks,
Niki
On 2018-11-02, Robert Heller heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program.
Ah, one of these subthreads. ;-)
I use fluxbox on my main linux desktop. Very few people recognize it.
--keith
On 11/2/18 3:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
It probably is just us, older folk who use Mate everywhere. There are two ways to put it:
I still have enough brain to be able to categorize, and find what I need in menu tree
or
I didn't blend into iPad generation to access things through search only (and I do not intend to ask google how much money I have left in my wallet ;-)
Thanks to nice guys who forked Mate off Gnome and are maintaining it!!
Valeri
But it's interesting nonetheless.
On 2018-11-02, Valeri Galtsev galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
On 11/2/18 3:02 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
It probably is just us, older folk who use Mate everywhere. There are two ways to put it:
I still have enough brain to be able to categorize, and find what I need in menu tree
or
I didn't blend into iPad generation to access things through search only (and I do not intend to ask google how much money I have left in my wallet ;-)
Thanks to nice guys who forked Mate off Gnome and are maintaining it!!
Valeri
The traditional, hierarchichal application menu is also available in GNOME 3.
I also use Mate, but I find some of the KDE applications useful. I hope it will still be possible to install them.
On 11/02/18 16:02, Frank Cox wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
The sweet thing about Linux in general is that you can choose pretty much anything you want when it comes to configuring your system. You can even use things that are not supported by whatever distribution you have chosen. For those wishing to continue using KDE far into the future I'm quite sure that there will be a way to continue on that path.
On 02.11.2018 21:02, Frank Cox wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
by reading between the lines this could mean, that RHEL 7 (CentOS 7 and other forks of RHEL) is the last one having KDE on board?
On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 10:44 +0100, Walter H. wrote:
On 02.11.2018 21:02, Frank Cox wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
by reading between the lines this could mean, that RHEL 7 (CentOS 7 and other forks of RHEL) is the last one having KDE on board?
I don't think it's reading between the lines! It explicitly says:
"A future major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux will no longer support using KDE instead of the default GNOME desktop environment."
The next major release is RHEL 8 - it won't support KDE. It doesn't mean KDE won't run on it, it just means it isn't supported.
P.
On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 3:19 AM Pete Biggs pete@biggs.org.uk wrote:
"A future major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux will no longer support using KDE instead of the default GNOME desktop environment."
The next major release is RHEL 8 - it won't support KDE. It doesn't mean KDE won't run on it, it just means it isn't supported.
To me "not supported" means the KDE packages (and all dependency libs) will not be in the official repos. So have fun trying to build all that yourself. Most likely there will be a third party unofficial repo that will have those KDE packages.
BTW I think the new KDE Plasma desktop on Kubuntu 18.04 is fantastic. Way more modern and polished than the old KDE days. Especially with the alternative fullscreen dashboard application launcher. It's my preferred desktop choice out of gnome3, mate, and xfce.
On 2018-11-03, Robert Arkiletian robark@gmail.com wrote:
To me "not supported" means the KDE packages (and all dependency libs) will not be in the official repos. So have fun trying to build all that yourself. Most likely there will be a third party unofficial repo that will have those KDE packages.
Or perhaps a CentOS SIG for them if there's enough community contributors.
--keith
Am 03.11.2018 um 23:19 schrieb Keith Keller kkeller@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us:
On 2018-11-03, Robert Arkiletian robark@gmail.com wrote:
To me "not supported" means the KDE packages (and all dependency libs) will not be in the official repos. So have fun trying to build all that yourself. Most likely there will be a third party unofficial repo that will have those KDE packages.
Or perhaps a CentOS SIG for them if there's enough community contributors.
wasn't there not something similar in the old days?
http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net
-- LF
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced. Here a screenshot of version 2.2.0d (beta ;-) as compiled some months ago on my Fedora 28 Asus U36SD .. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JrRPdCpYXzyAB0hhVqRyfr2Pj_mtL3dr/view?usp=s...
I just see that there is now final version 2.3.0... time to recompile it on Fedora 29 https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/files/
I couldn't resist... and I cannot forget how beautiful it was on my HP9000 workstation on 1994 !
Gianluca
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/
That's still several years in the future, of course.
I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same.
But it's interesting nonetheless.
Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced. Here a screenshot of version 2.2.0d (beta ;-) as compiled some months ago on my Fedora 28 Asus U36SD .. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JrRPdCpYXzyAB0hhVqRyfr2Pj_mtL3dr/view?usp=s...
I just see that there is now final version 2.3.0... time to recompile it on Fedora 29 https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/files/
I couldn't resist... and I cannot forget how beautiful it was on my HP9000 workstation on 1994 !
Gianluca
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I hope that konsole will still be around after 2024, or that terminal is upgraded with the konsole features.
I recently put together a lab machine to test drive the hypervisor features of kvm. I could not get the numeric keypad to work with gnome3 on the host machine. I could get it to work with KDE and Mate, but the screen management for a two monitor hypervisor was not as good as I needed. I finally tried cinnamon and was impressed; it had great screen management with the hypervisor host and guest, and my numeric keypad worked. I have continued cinnamon.
Greg
Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced.
CDE can actually be installed on Centos 7 through yum:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/dcantrel/cde/
Just install the repo file and "yum install cde"
That gives you CDE version 2.3.
I installed it on an VirtualBox image that I use for testing stuff and it looks pretty cool.
I missed out on CDE when it was the current thing; I was still using MSDOS (and DesqView) until about 1998 when I decided that DOS wasn't going to cut it in the brave new world of the Internet (though it worked great for FidoNet) and got a Windows 98 machine. Decided I didn't like that much either so a couple of months after that I reformatted it and installed Red Hat Linux, and I've been here ever since.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:36 PM Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
Hi, based on the multitude of answers and options received, you can also consider the magnificent old days CDE, now open sourced.
CDE can actually be installed on Centos 7 through yum:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/dcantrel/cde/
Just install the repo file and "yum install cde"
That gives you CDE version 2.3.
I installed it on an VirtualBox image that I use for testing stuff and it looks pretty cool.
Nice to know ;-) Compiling it from surces needed some time and several dependencies... I will try. I see that there are Fedora 28/29 repos too. Probably lacking dbus and other integrations, but nice to see it running
I missed out on CDE when it was the current thing; I was still using MSDOS (and DesqView) until about 1998 when I decided that DOS wasn't going to cut it in the brave new world of the Internet (though it worked great for FidoNet) and got a Windows 98 machine. Decided I didn't like that much either so a couple of months after that I reformatted it and installed Red Hat Linux, and I've been here ever since.
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