I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
The Mozilla Suite (Browser, Mail, Chat clients) will be replaced by SeaMonkey. This is due to Mozilla's change in policy and support for older versions.
The Firefox 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) web browser will be replaced by Firefox 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.3). We currently have a version of Firefox 1.5.x in the CentOSPlus repo. That version will be replaced by the EL4 version after some more testing ... and the new version will be rolled into CentOS-4.4 in the Base repository when CentOS-4.4 is released.
The Thunderbird 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) will be upgraded to Thunderbird 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.2).
The OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 will be replaced by OpenOffice 1.1.5. This allows better sharing of files between OpenOffice.org 2.0 and CentOS clients.
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All these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well. We will fully test these packages prior to release of the CentOS-4.4 ISOs, however these changes are fairly substantial.
I would also like to remind people who are more cautious that CentOS has a vault that will contain CentOS-4.3 after we shift the main mirrors to CentOS-4.4. The vault is available at:
I am not suggesting that people don't upgrade (as security updates would require one to maintain the current version), but I am just providing information so that if the updates break something, you can easily get back to a known previous version.
We have not had any problems so far with the new packages in our testing, and they will be deemed STABLE by upstream when they are released, however these changes are by far the most significant since the release of CentOS-4 and I think they deserve some special attention.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes CentOS-4 Lead Developer
On 6/20/06, Johnny Hughes mailing-lists@hughesjr.com wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
As a side note to this, I think it's worth noting that the kernel currently included in the beta shows some very significant performance increases for systems under load or currently swapping (a problem previously mentioned on the list). The 2.6.9-39 kernel has a number of updated features including netpoll over bonded interfaces, better acpi handling, better NFS cache handling, an updated 3ware driver and a fair amount of other changes. To me it's a marked improvement over the previous kernels.
Jim Perrin wrote:
On 6/20/06, Johnny Hughes mailing-lists@hughesjr.com wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
As a side note to this, I think it's worth noting that the kernel currently included in the beta shows some very significant performance increases for systems under load or currently swapping (a problem previously mentioned on the list). The 2.6.9-39 kernel has a number of updated features including netpoll over bonded interfaces, better acpi handling, better NFS cache handling, an updated 3ware driver
I have had problems with a 3ware 7006-2 (3w-xxxx driver) using raid 1 on CentOS 4.3. Any attempt to do a check of the mirror always results in an oops after some amount of time (2 - 20 minutes). Hopefully the update will help resolve the problem.
Kinda disappointing that 3ware does not support the 2.6 kernel with the 7xxx cards. There are no downloads available on their site for 2.6 kernel and 7xxx cards anyway.
Controller info from 3dmd: Monitor version: ME7X 1.01.00.040 Firmware version: FE7X 1.05.00.068 BIOS version: BE7X 1.08.00.048 PCB version: Rev4 Achip version: 3.20 Pchip version: 1.30-66 Model: 7006-2
[user@server ~]$ cat /proc/scsi/3w-xxxx/0 | head -n 2 scsi0: 3ware Storage Controller Driver version: 1.26.00.039
Adam Gibson wrote:
Kinda disappointing that 3ware does not support the 2.6 kernel with the 7xxx cards. There are no downloads available on their site for 2.6 kernel and 7xxx cards anyway.
they dont support it directly, since the drivers are now maintained in the kernel tree itself.
your problem might also be Firmware related perhaps ?
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Adam Gibson wrote:
Kinda disappointing that 3ware does not support the 2.6 kernel with the 7xxx cards. There are no downloads available on their site for 2.6 kernel and 7xxx cards anyway.
they dont support it directly, since the drivers are now maintained in the kernel tree itself.
your problem might also be Firmware related perhaps ?
Thanks for the idea but I looked at all the versions and they check out except it shows that I have a newer monitor than what the 7.7.1 codeset iso shows. The monitor that comes with the latest codeset on their site (7.7.1) is 1.01.00.038. What shipped with my card is 1.01.00.040. I don't think it is a firmware issue since I seem to have the latest(which shipped with the card).
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 06:03 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. <snip>
I would like to thank you and Jim for the advance notice. It, again, demonstrates the conscientious attitude that I believe is one of the hallmarks of the project.
William L. Maltby wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 06:03 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. <snip>
I would like to thank you and Jim for the advance notice. It, again, demonstrates the conscientious attitude that I believe is one of the hallmarks of the project.
I'll second that. Of all the distros I've used and had the opportunity to review, I commend the CentOS team for having the most approachable and (more importantly) transparent processes in place to keep users abreast of changes.
Cheers,
Johnny Hughes wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes CentOS-4 Lead Developer
Thanks for the heads up.
Sincerely,
Alex
Alex White wrote:
Johnny Hughes wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes CentOS-4 Lead Developer
Thanks for the heads up.
Sincerely,
Alex _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Thanks for the advance notice.
Admin1
Alex White ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote: Johnny Hughes wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes CentOS-4 Lead Developer
Thanks for the heads up.
Sincerely,
Alex
I somehow missed the original post. What are these changes again? Thanks.
BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
I somehow missed the original post. What are these changes again?
at the bottom of every email sent to the list, is the url to list archieves..... follow that and check the thread.
- KB
Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote: BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
I somehow missed the original post. What are these changes again?
at the bottom of every email sent to the list, is the url to list archieves..... follow that and check the thread.
- KB
BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
Funny, I was just on the archives and did a searche on 'changes' and his post did not show up.
yes i suppose expecting google to index the entire internet every few minutes can be sort of funny.
clicking on June 2006, using eyes, scrolling down to the latest posts seems to work fine for me.
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
[snip changes]
I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat?
I currently follow CentOS because it's stable and BECAUSE it very closely tracks RedHat's RHEL versions.
If you decide that you want to distribute newer versions of certain packages would it not be better to provide them separately (perhaps in "vendor specific" (vendor=CentOS) tree? This means that we can if needed maintain compatibility with RHEL or if needed follow the newer versions in a controlled way.
Building mozilla, firefox, thunderbird or openoffice this way ALSO allows standard RHEL users to use the CentOS packages if they so choose thus potentially gaining you more "users" and also allowing CentOS to provide "added value" to RHEL.
Distinguishing the rpms could be done by: prefixing a centos-packagename to the rpm name and perhaps prefixing the install path to a more appropriate location which could be sym linked to the vendor location if needed (via the alternatives system?)
e.g. Provide packages in the "RH standard configure paths" prefixed by something like "/centos".
/centos/bin /lib /libexec /share/....
The required changes to the spec file should be reasonably small and should be consistent between different versions of the packages thus making the appropriate patching less troublesome. rpmdiff[1] is also quite good at showing this.
I do appreciate the work being done by the CentOS developers and am sure that others do too, but I think that one of the reasons people follow CentOS is because it is a RHEL clone and expect it to behave as such. Starting to diverge from that premise may not be a good idea.
Just a thought.
Regards,
Simon Mudd [1] http://ftp.wl0.org/rpmdiff/rpmdiff
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 06:08:24PM +0200, Simon J Mudd wrote:
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat?
From the original e-mail: ===QUOTE=== All these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well. ===QUOTE===
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Simon J Mudd wrote:
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
[snip changes]
I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat?
Re-read the post. I think you assumptions are wrong. They are just warning that the upstream RHEL stuff is changing to give us a heads up.
"All these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well."
agibson@ptm.com (Adam Gibson) writes:
Simon J Mudd wrote:
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
[snip changes] I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat?
Re-read the post. I think you assumptions are wrong. They are just warning that the upstream RHEL stuff is changing to give us a heads up.
"ALL these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well."
Then, yes, I misread the original post and apologise. I had assumed that the CentOS developers were planning on providing newer versions than the upstream source.
Sorry for the noise.
Regards,
Simon
Simon J Mudd wrote:
"ALL these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well."
Then, yes, I misread the original post and apologise. I had assumed that the CentOS developers were planning on providing newer versions than the upstream source.
We do provide such packages ( eg. php5 and mysql5 ), in alternative non-core repositories. ( eg. CentOS Plus ). These are disabled by default. User intervention is required to get them enabled / setup. Using a standard install and not changing parameters on your package manager ensures you stay with the base distro, which tracks upstream only.
Simon J Mudd wrote:
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
[snip changes]
I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat?
no, you missed the point. The core CentOS Distro stays in sync with whats done upstream. These changes are going to be in RHEL-4U4 along with the usual bugfix, package updates and security fix's.
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 18:08 +0200, Simon J Mudd wrote:
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
[snip changes]
I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat?
As already quoted in another post ... the changes are upstream and going to be released by them ...
With the exception of package updates (since we can not include rhn) all packages released in CentOS base will be as released upstream. To do otherwise would not be possible :)
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 18:08 +0200, Simon J Mudd wrote:
mailing-lists@hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:
[snip changes]
I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat?
I currently follow CentOS because it's stable and BECAUSE it very closely tracks RedHat's RHEL versions.
If you decide that you want to distribute newer versions of certain packages would it not be better to provide them separately (perhaps in "vendor specific" (vendor=CentOS) tree? This means that we can if needed maintain compatibility with RHEL or if needed follow the newer versions in a controlled way.
Building mozilla, firefox, thunderbird or openoffice this way ALSO allows standard RHEL users to use the CentOS packages if they so choose thus potentially gaining you more "users" and also allowing CentOS to provide "added value" to RHEL.
OK ... just for the record, we do have this ... so let me plug the CentOSPlus repository.
Distinguishing the rpms could be done by: prefixing a centos-packagename to the rpm name and perhaps prefixing the install path to a more appropriate location which could be sym linked to the vendor location if needed (via the alternatives system?)
We are not going to provide alternate locations, however we do provide fully functional items in our CentOSPlus repository. The items in CentOSPlus are upgrades to their counterparts in the base distro (for users who want the offered upgrades). Currently, it upgrades the Kernel (adds xfs, reiserfs, jfs, ntfs, firewire, etc.), php-5, postfix with mysql support, firefox and a new rdesktop. For more info about CentOSPlus, see this readme:
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/centosplus/Readme.txt
<snip>
We also have a testing repo that contains some other items which are new and could be upgrades to current packages. Items in Testing will go into either the Extras Repo or the CentOSPlus Repo ...
For information on all the CentOS repos, check here:
http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories
and here:
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/Readme.txt
I do appreciate the work being done by the CentOS developers and am sure that others do too, but I think that one of the reasons people follow CentOS is because it is a RHEL clone and expect it to behave as such. Starting to diverge from that premise may not be a good idea.
As I said before, we would never, EVER, diverge from the base upstream packages except as it has to do with trademark removal or subscription services to provide updates ... except as we do in CentOSPlus repository, where you make a conscious choice to upgrade certain packages.
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 06:03 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.
The Mozilla Suite (Browser, Mail, Chat clients) will be replaced by SeaMonkey. This is due to Mozilla's change in policy and support for older versions.
The Firefox 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) web browser will be replaced by Firefox 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.3). We currently have a version of Firefox 1.5.x in the CentOSPlus repo. That version will be replaced by the EL4 version after some more testing ... and the new version will be rolled into CentOS-4.4 in the Base repository when CentOS-4.4 is released.
The Thunderbird 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) will be upgraded to Thunderbird 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.2).
The OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 will be replaced by OpenOffice 1.1.5. This allows better sharing of files between OpenOffice.org 2.0 and CentOS clients.
All these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well. We will fully test these packages prior to release of the CentOS-4.4 ISOs, however these changes are fairly substantial.
I would also like to remind people who are more cautious that CentOS has a vault that will contain CentOS-4.3 after we shift the main mirrors to CentOS-4.4. The vault is available at:
I am not suggesting that people don't upgrade (as security updates would require one to maintain the current version), but I am just providing information so that if the updates break something, you can easily get back to a known previous version.
We have not had any problems so far with the new packages in our testing, and they will be deemed STABLE by upstream when they are released, however these changes are by far the most significant since the release of CentOS-4 and I think they deserve some special attention.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes CentOS-4 Lead Developer _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Is there any information as of yet of other packages to be updated in the update 4 release? I am hoping for updates to NetworkManager and alsa.
Regards
Phil
Is there any information as of yet of other packages to be updated in the update 4 release? I am hoping for updates to NetworkManager and alsa.
There is an alsa-utils update (1.0.6-5) in the beta, but no NetworkManager package.
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