While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Chris Peikert wrote:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
dude. seriously.
http://www.google.com/search?q=selinux
i'm not trying to be mean to you, but: when you have a question, your first impulse should *not* be to email the list. if you're starting out with Linux (and it sounds like you are), you'll have a LOT of questions, and if you post them all to the list, you will soon exhaust people's goodwill and stop getting answers. and some of those questions will be hard ones, and you won't be able to figure them out just by Googling, but you'll have pissed off the list, and so you'll be out of luck.
have you read ESR's "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way"?
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
it was posted to the list recently, and i'd recommend you read it and start doing what it says. :)
alternately, you could buy support from Red Hat.
-steve
--- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v
Reason I asked here was I know I would get a better answer than google. I have had terrible luck in googling. I swear it hates me sometimes. I believe its an international conspiracy of Google Gnomes that purposely hands me bad information when I try to google something. I retrieve good information about 25% of the time when I use google and scarey enough it's the better search engine.
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Steve Huff Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:12 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] SELINUX?
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Chris Peikert wrote:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
dude. seriously.
http://www.google.com/search?q=selinux
i'm not trying to be mean to you, but: when you have a question, your first impulse should *not* be to email the list. if you're starting out with Linux (and it sounds like you are), you'll have a LOT of questions, and if you post them all to the list, you will soon exhaust people's goodwill and stop getting answers. and some of those questions will be hard ones, and you won't be able to figure them out just by Googling, but you'll have pissed off the list, and so you'll be out of luck.
have you read ESR's "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way"?
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
it was posted to the list recently, and i'd recommend you read it and start doing what it says. :)
alternately, you could buy support from Red Hat.
-steve
--- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v
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Chris Peikert spake the following on 4/7/2006 6:47 AM:
Reason I asked here was I know I would get a better answer than google. I have had terrible luck in googling. I swear it hates me sometimes. I believe its an international conspiracy of Google Gnomes that purposely hands me bad information when I try to google something. I retrieve good information about 25% of the time when I use google and scarey enough it's the better search engine.
Google can sometimes be like talking to children... It is in how you ask the question that gets things done. And sometimes you have to ask the same question in several different ways until you get the hang of it.
Once you get used to how you ask, it just starts to work.
Steve Huff wrote:
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Chris Peikert wrote:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
dude. seriously.
http://www.google.com/search?q=selinux
i'm not trying to be mean to you, but: when you have a question, your first impulse should *not* be to email the list. if you're starting out with Linux (and it sounds like you are), you'll have a LOT of questions, and if you post them all to the list, you will soon exhaust people's goodwill and stop getting answers. and some of those questions will be hard ones, and you won't be able to figure them out just by Googling, but you'll have pissed off the list, and so you'll be out of luck.
have you read ESR's "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way"?
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
it was posted to the list recently, and i'd recommend you read it and start doing what it says. :)
alternately, you could buy support from Red Hat.
-steve
it's replies like this that give Linux the bad, haughty name it has in the non-technical community. The following responses warning against asking question lest you get ignored defeat the community approach Linux should have.
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 17:39 -0400, William Warren wrote:
Steve Huff wrote:
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Chris Peikert wrote:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
dude. seriously.
http://www.google.com/search?q=selinux
i'm not trying to be mean to you, but: when you have a question, your
<snip>
-steve
it's replies like this that give Linux the bad, haughty name it has in the non-technical community. The following responses warning against asking question lest you get ignored defeat the community approach Linux should have.
William,
You are catching the end of a long set of threads wherein a lot of help was offered along with good pointers to docs that would help the OP. AFAICT, he took no advantage and managed to garner a great deal of antipathy.
Steve's answer was completely appropriate and mild, IMO. If you have any doubts, search for the OP's name in the archives.
William L. Maltby wrote:
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 17:39 -0400, William Warren wrote:
Steve Huff wrote:
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Chris Peikert wrote:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
dude. seriously.
http://www.google.com/search?q=selinux
i'm not trying to be mean to you, but: when you have a question, your
<snip>
-steve
it's replies like this that give Linux the bad, haughty name it has in the non-technical community. The following responses warning against asking question lest you get ignored defeat the community approach Linux should have.
William,
You are catching the end of a long set of threads wherein a lot of help was offered along with good pointers to docs that would help the OP. AFAICT, he took no advantage and managed to garner a great deal of antipathy.
Steve's answer was completely appropriate and mild, IMO. If you have any doubts, search for the OP's name in the archives.
If this is a continuation of another thread then maybe it's warranted. However answers like that still put a tarnish on Linux's image at a time when Linux is trying(in some areas) to make good inroads onto the desktop. Some folks jsut don't get reading other instructions..especially when a large percentage of hte instructions are written in "geek". While you or i may be able to follow those guides..most users simply can't. These are the folks we should reach out to. The technical Linux noobs can catch on quickly..but in order for linux tob e viable on the desktop we need to get the non-technical noobs as well. Answers like the above threads simply don't do that.
That's just my .005.
William Warren wrote:
Steve Huff wrote:
On Apr 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Chris Peikert wrote:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
dude. seriously.
http://www.google.com/search?q=selinux
i'm not trying to be mean to you, but: when you have a question, your first impulse should *not* be to email the list. if you're starting out with Linux (and it sounds like you are), you'll have a LOT of questions, and if you post them all to the list, you will soon exhaust people's goodwill and stop getting answers. and some of those questions will be hard ones, and you won't be able to figure them out just by Googling, but you'll have pissed off the list, and so you'll be out of luck.
have you read ESR's "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way"?
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
it was posted to the list recently, and i'd recommend you read it and start doing what it says. :)
alternately, you could buy support from Red Hat.
-steve
it's replies like this that give Linux the bad, haughty name it has in the non-technical community. The following responses warning against asking question lest you get ignored defeat the community approach Linux should have.
Indeed. I'd MUCH rather deal with the "hey, I'm new here and have no raving idea what to do" questions than hear the RMS type diatribes about how we need to do X and Y and how other people are so much more in tune with what I need to accomplish with the software that I've been "given for free."
A polite nudge to a resource for getting started is nice. But being told, "uh...come to us as a last resort or risk being ignored" strikes me as being rather elitist, rude, and just bad policy.
Cheers,
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 07:54 -0500, Chris Peikert wrote:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
---- SELinux is a security layer that is relatively new to Linux and whose emergence into the 'Enterprise Linux' came with RHEL 4 (CentoOS 4)
I would suggest though, that you not ask every question that occurs to you but rather limit your questions to those things that you need help with specifically so that people don't start ignoring you.
Craig
Am Fr, den 07.04.2006 schrieb Chris Peikert um 14:54:
While downloading almost all the guilds I came across a SELINUX Guide. Whats that for?
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/se...
Reading that guide gives you insight :)
Alexander
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