So the update is not on any mirror or anywhere else besides Dave's site on DVD?
In otherwords to fix this there is no choice but to reinstall from DVD or CD through his ISO?
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Michael Rock wrote:
So the update is not on any mirror or anywhere else besides Dave's site on DVD?
In otherwords to fix this there is no choice but to reinstall from DVD or CD through his ISO?
David does great work, but CentOS is about being a clone of tested enterprise software.
We can't also be Rawhide for new equipment too ... we don't have the resources or people to do that.
I wish we had 400 or so servers and the same number of developers so that we could support a Rawhide type branch, but we just do not have that.
If you want something that is not in the upstream discs that is installable, you will need to use david's discs, yes.
Johnny Hughes napsal(a):
David does great work, but CentOS is about being a clone of tested enterprise software.
We can't also be Rawhide for new equipment too ... we don't have the resources or people to do that.
I wish we had 400 or so servers and the same number of developers so that we could support a Rawhide type branch, but we just do not have that.
If you want something that is not in the upstream discs that is installable, you will need to use david's discs, yes.
Hi, I feel I have to clarify a few things.
1) I do not want to create some CentOS fork, take it only as a bypass solution. We have to stick with upstream with all pros and cons. 2) Install DVD contains only slightly different kernel RPMS. Nothing more or less. So updates go smoothly. Maybe too much. If CentOS is about to release a new kernel RPMS, user will "yum" them, reboot and ooops :o) 3) Kernel RPMS are here: http://fs12.vsb.cz/hrb33/el5/hrb/stable/i386/RPMS/repodata/ 4) Well, maybe I could create CD install media deltas. 5) And of course ICH9 patched CentOS is not supported by CentOS team/community. Regards, David
David Hrbáč wrote:
Johnny Hughes napsal(a):
David does great work, but CentOS is about being a clone of tested enterprise software.
We can't also be Rawhide for new equipment too ... we don't have the resources or people to do that.
I wish we had 400 or so servers and the same number of developers so that we could support a Rawhide type branch, but we just do not have that.
If you want something that is not in the upstream discs that is installable, you will need to use david's discs, yes.
Hi, I feel I have to clarify a few things.
- I do not want to create some CentOS fork, take it only as a bypass
solution. We have to stick with upstream with all pros and cons. 2) Install DVD contains only slightly different kernel RPMS. Nothing more or less. So updates go smoothly. Maybe too much. If CentOS is about to release a new kernel RPMS, user will "yum" them, reboot and ooops :o) 3) Kernel RPMS are here: http://fs12.vsb.cz/hrb33/el5/hrb/stable/i386/RPMS/repodata/ 4) Well, maybe I could create CD install media deltas. 5) And of course ICH9 patched CentOS is not supported by CentOS team/community.
David,
I did nor mean to sound critical of your work ... I appreciate that you did this boot DVD and are making it available. In the future we might be able to make it available (with more hardware added) in the testing repository ... or even work in changes like it into the CentOSPlus kernels.
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My point was that David is a trusted person by many on the CentOS Devel team and I would have no personal problem using his boot DVD if I was trying to install on a machine that I needed his kernel for.
That said, I also did want to point out that CentOS is not Fedora, Fedora is perfectly free, and Fedora builds a great non-enterprise Linux diatro. Fedora (IMHO) is, by a huge margin, the very best of the 6-8 month cutting edge distros out there.
If you want to run cutting edge hardware, I would fully recommend doing so with Fedora. I would not really recommend using cutting edge hardware that is not yet supported for major enterprise endeavors though .. why you might ask?
Well ... I personally have had problems with cutting edge hardware, chipsets, and BIOSes not being stable for up to a year. It makes no difference which OS you use if the drive controller or the memory controller above the OS level is not stable. Getting new stuff is fun and we all like to do it ... however, let us also remember what the purpose of CentOS is :D
We are not trying to "out Fedora" Fedora ... as there is no need to do so.
Thanks, Johnny Hoghes
Johnny Hughes napsal(a):
David,
I did nor mean to sound critical of your work ... I appreciate that you did this boot DVD and are making it available. In the future we might be able to make it available (with more hardware added) in the testing repository ... or even work in changes like it into the CentOSPlus kernels.
Johnny, the points, I have sent, are meant to be "small FAQ", nothing more. People are asking about the purpose and I wanted to make some statement that this is not official and not going to be official. I did not find the replies critical. :o) Regards, David
PS: As to cutting edge hardware, sometimes end-user is not the one who makes purchasing decision.
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