Since my computers use built-in Intel graphics chips (which work great with CentOS 5.3), I've been worrying about Ubuntu's (and other "cutting edge" distributions) problems with these. It appears to be an Xorg problem. What I don't understand is why Xorg would release something that only half worked with a large segment of the computers out there. I'm also wondering how Red Hat / CentOS will handle such a problem -- or have they already addressed it?
Probably shouldn't worry about a "possible" problem, but I do anyhow.
Ron Blizzard wrote:
Since my computers use built-in Intel graphics chips (which work great with CentOS 5.3), I've been worrying about Ubuntu's (and other "cutting edge" distributions) problems with these. It appears to be an Xorg problem. What I don't understand is why Xorg would release something that only half worked with a large segment of the computers out there. I'm also wondering how Red Hat / CentOS will handle such a problem -- or have they already addressed it?
Probably shouldn't worry about a "possible" problem, but I do anyhow.
I had the same question in the back of my mind. There are some great evolutions going on right now, but they take a lot of time to mature. I've also been wondering about desktop environments, since fedora 10/11 use KDE 4, which, even 4.2, I find very low in quality compared to 3.5, how will Red Hat provide a decent desktop? (Don't remind me of Gnome, I've used it for years and I still don't like it).
Glenn
On Saturday 06 June 2009 20:06:19 RedShift wrote:
Ron Blizzard wrote:
Since my computers use built-in Intel graphics chips (which work great with CentOS 5.3), I've been worrying about Ubuntu's (and other "cutting edge" distributions) problems with these. It appears to be an Xorg problem. What I don't understand is why Xorg would release something that only half worked with a large segment of the computers out there. I'm also wondering how Red Hat / CentOS will handle such a problem -- or have they already addressed it?
Probably shouldn't worry about a "possible" problem, but I do anyhow.
I had the same question in the back of my mind. There are some great evolutions going on right now, but they take a lot of time to mature. I've also been wondering about desktop environments, since fedora 10/11 use KDE 4, which, even 4.2, I find very low in quality compared to 3.5, how will Red Hat provide a decent desktop? (Don't remind me of Gnome, I've used it for years and I still don't like it).
If you want to understand what's happening, read http://keithp.com/blogs/Sharpening_the_Intel_Driver_Focus/
Anne
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Anne Wilsoncannewilson@googlemail.com wrote:
If you want to understand what's happening, read http://keithp.com/blogs/Sharpening_the_Intel_Driver_Focus/
Thanks for the link. It puts my mind at ease a bit. I haven't read it all, but would it be safe to say that they way the Intel driver works now is kludge and they're in the process of making it more seamless?
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, RedShiftredshift@pandora.be wrote:
I had the same question in the back of my mind. There are some great evolutions going on right now, but they take a lot of time to mature. I've also been wondering about desktop environments, since fedora 10/11 use KDE 4, which, even 4.2, I find very low in quality compared to 3.5, how will Red Hat provide a decent desktop? (Don't remind me of Gnome, I've used it for years and I still don't like it).<<
I've made my peace with Gnome, but I modify it to make a bit more KDE-like. One panel on the bottom, single click on icons, always open with a browser window and modify that window to get rid of the main and side menus, etc. I started with KDE but like Gnome now because it seems lighter and bit more responsive on my computers.
I still have openSUSE 11 on (what is now) the backup computer. The default was KDE 4, but I reinstalled with KDE 3.5. KDE 4 was just too slow. But that was the first release and I think it's getting better now.
on 6-6-2009 5:04 PM Ron Blizzard spake the following:
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, RedShiftredshift-LPO8gxj9N8aZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org wrote:
I had the same question in the back of my mind. There are some great evolutions going on right now, but they take a lot of time to mature. I've also been wondering about desktop environments, since fedora 10/11 use KDE 4, which, even 4.2, I find very low in quality compared to 3.5, how will Red Hat provide a decent desktop? (Don't remind me of Gnome, I've used it for years and I still don't like it).<<
I've made my peace with Gnome, but I modify it to make a bit more KDE-like. One panel on the bottom, single click on icons, always open with a browser window and modify that window to get rid of the main and side menus, etc. I started with KDE but like Gnome now because it seems lighter and bit more responsive on my computers.
I still have openSUSE 11 on (what is now) the backup computer. The default was KDE 4, but I reinstalled with KDE 3.5. KDE 4 was just too slow. But that was the first release and I think it's getting better now.
You could always try XFCE. It seems much lighter than both of them.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Scott Silvassilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
on 6-6-2009 5:04 PM Ron Blizzard spake the following:
I've made my peace with Gnome, but I modify it to make a bit more KDE-like. One panel on the bottom, single click on icons, always open with a browser window and modify that window to get rid of the main and side menus, etc. I started with KDE but like Gnome now because it seems lighter and bit more responsive on my computers.
I still have openSUSE 11 on (what is now) the backup computer. The default was KDE 4, but I reinstalled with KDE 3.5. KDE 4 was just too slow. But that was the first release and I think it's getting better now.
You could always try XFCE. It seems much lighter than both of them.
I have tried XFCE. I like it, except it seems that getting nice fonts is a pain.
At Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:48:37 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Since my computers use built-in Intel graphics chips (which work great with CentOS 5.3), I've been worrying about Ubuntu's (and other "cutting edge" distributions) problems with these. It appears to be an Xorg problem. What I don't understand is why Xorg would release something that only half worked with a large segment of the computers out there. I'm also wondering how Red Hat / CentOS will handle such a problem -- or have they already addressed it?
CentOS, like RHEL is a 'conservitive' distro and won't release unstable or "cutting edge" versions. Many open source projects release 'beta' test versions of code, as well as older, more stable versions. Linux distributions can make a choice: use the older, more stable version and thus not support hardware that is 'hot off the showroom floor' (this is what CentOS does). Or be cutting edge and include the latest release (this is what Ubuntu does). This means that maybe if you install CentOS on the computer you bought brand new yesterday you might have trouble getting the X11 to work very will (or with all of the latest wizbang hardware accel, etc.). You might get it to work if you installed Ubuntu, or might have other troubles (because the XOrg release is somewhat beta test... OTOH, if you are not using cutting edge hardware and/or have no need of cutting edge software, CentOS will do what you need to do and will do so for like 7 years.
Probably shouldn't worry about a "possible" problem, but I do anyhow.
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Robert Hellerheller@deepsoft.com wrote:
CentOS, like RHEL is a 'conservitive' distro and won't release unstable or "cutting edge" versions. Many open source projects release 'beta' test versions of code, as well as older, more stable versions. Linux distributions can make a choice: use the older, more stable version and thus not support hardware that is 'hot off the showroom floor' (this is what CentOS does). Or be cutting edge and include the latest release (this is what Ubuntu does). This means that maybe if you install CentOS on the computer you bought brand new yesterday you might have trouble getting the X11 to work very will (or with all of the latest wizbang hardware accel, etc.). You might get it to work if you installed Ubuntu, or might have other troubles (because the XOrg release is somewhat beta test... OTOH, if you are not using cutting edge hardware and/or have no need of cutting edge software, CentOS will do what you need to do and will do so for like 7 years.
Thanks. I wasn't quite sure how that worked. I thought maybe we were just behind the curve a bit and that our Intel Graphics problem would come in a year or so. But then, I kind of hoped that wouldn't be a problem since Red Hat is on so many business machines and a lot of those come standard with Intel Graphics. (Then, again, not too many businesses are worried about making 3D graphics work on their business desktops.)
I always use trailing edge hardware so CentOS is a good fit for me.
Thanks for writing.
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