Hi Bryan,
Thanks for the reply.
That was my first post to the list and sorry if my next comments seem too hard but...
My idea to move from fedora to centos was trying to get a stable distribution that I can afford with long term plans for support.
Fedora works fine for me but it's focus on bleeding edge tends to leave "old" (1 year-old) releases without "strong" support. They have the legacy but even that stop a while.
On the other hand wait a week for a security update come from rh to centos seems too much.
Some may argue that I can always grab the src myself and compile/install but that is not the point here.
Is there anything I can do to help ?
On 10/12/05, Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org wrote:
mbneto mbneto@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I have downloaded and installed centos 4.1 from DVD and I a little confused with the update procedure.
You can be certain that Johnny is too busy to respond, as he's trying to get CentOS 4.2 out with the dozens of updates that came after even it.
Within 72 hours is typical when it's a few packages. RHEL 4 Update 2 will result in a CentOS 4.2 update that requires around 100 or so. ;->
-- Bryan
P.S. Now if "Mr. K" would stop banning people he doesn't like (rather obviously with clear lack of objectivity) and help good people like Johnny, that would be nice. ;->
-- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers)
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 14:54 -0400, mbneto wrote:
Hi Bryan,
Thanks for the reply.
That was my first post to the list and sorry if my next comments seem too hard but...
My idea to move from fedora to centos was trying to get a stable distribution that I can afford with long term plans for support.
Fedora works fine for me but it's focus on bleeding edge tends to leave "old" (1 year-old) releases without "strong" support. They have the legacy but even that stop a while.
On the other hand wait a week for a security update come from rh to centos seems too much.
---- This was a big update - presuming that you are talking about RHEL 4 U2. Normally the updates are out very quickly. The U2 update includes things such as spinning new iso's and there are a lot more issues such as i586 support and other platforms as well.
These guys do a terrific job.
patience is a virtue ----
Some may argue that I can always grab the src myself and compile/install but that is not the point here.
Is there anything I can do to help ?
---- Probably - stick around
Craig
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
This was a big update - presuming that you are talking about RHEL 4 U2. Normally the updates are out very quickly. The U2 update includes things such as spinning new iso's and there are a lot more issues such as i586 support and other platforms as well.
These guys do a terrific job.
patience is a virtue
Agreed. I'm excited (mostly cause I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop, but would love to switch it back to CentOS, depending on what kernel version it is and how well it supports the laptop, but I'm happy to wait. I'm happy to have such a rock-solid distribution.
Preston
--- Preston Crawford me@prestoncrawford.com wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
This was a big update - presuming that you are
talking about RHEL 4 U2.
Normally the updates are out very quickly. The U2
update includes things
such as spinning new iso's and there are a lot
more issues such as i586
support and other platforms as well.
These guys do a terrific job.
patience is a virtue
Agreed. I'm excited (mostly cause I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop, but would love to switch it back to CentOS, depending on what kernel version it is and how well it supports the laptop, but I'm happy to wait. I'm happy to have such a rock-solid distribution.
Preston _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I too is excited since i have a brand new Dell SC1420 right out of the box sitting in my living room waiting and begging for centos to be put on it.
thanks again guys and gals that do all this work so we able to use this product.
Steven
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows or better'. So I installed Linux."
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:07 -0700, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
This was a big update - presuming that you are talking about RHEL 4 U2. Normally the updates are out very quickly. The U2 update includes things such as spinning new iso's and there are a lot more issues such as i586 support and other platforms as well.
These guys do a terrific job.
patience is a virtue
Agreed. I'm excited (mostly cause I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop, but would love to switch it back to CentOS, depending on what kernel version it is and how well it supports the laptop, but I'm happy to wait. I'm happy to have such a rock-solid distribution.
---- The kernel is 2.6.9-22
I don't think RHEL is too keen on major kernel updates. Don't know how much backporting has been done to get it to -22
I think if you're a patient sort (untested), you can get a changelog with something like...
rpm -qp --changelog ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/enterprise/4ES/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-22.EL.src.rpm
Craig
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:07 -0700, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
This was a big update - presuming that you are talking about RHEL 4 U2. Normally the updates are out very quickly. The U2 update includes things such as spinning new iso's and there are a lot more issues such as i586 support and other platforms as well.
These guys do a terrific job.
patience is a virtue
Agreed. I'm excited (mostly cause I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop, but would love to switch it back to CentOS, depending on what kernel version it is and how well it supports the laptop, but I'm happy to wait. I'm happy to have such a rock-solid distribution.
The kernel is 2.6.9-22
I don't think RHEL is too keen on major kernel updates. Don't know how much backporting has been done to get it to -22
Yeah, I know that about Red Hat. It's the backporting part I always wonder about since the details that don't work on my laptop are things like ACPI support, a couple drivers. Not much else, really.
I think if you're a patient sort (untested), you can get a changelog with something like...
rpm -qp --changelog ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/enterprise/4ES/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-22.EL.src.rpm
Na. The laptop works now and the wife is happy. That's all that matters right now.
Preston
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:26 -0700, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:07 -0700, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
This was a big update - presuming that you are talking about RHEL 4 U2. Normally the updates are out very quickly. The U2 update includes things such as spinning new iso's and there are a lot more issues such as i586 support and other platforms as well.
These guys do a terrific job.
patience is a virtue
Agreed. I'm excited (mostly cause I'm using Ubuntu on my laptop, but would love to switch it back to CentOS, depending on what kernel version it is and how well it supports the laptop, but I'm happy to wait. I'm happy to have such a rock-solid distribution.
The kernel is 2.6.9-22
I don't think RHEL is too keen on major kernel updates. Don't know how much backporting has been done to get it to -22
Yeah, I know that about Red Hat. It's the backporting part I always wonder about since the details that don't work on my laptop are things like ACPI support, a couple drivers. Not much else, really.
I think if you're a patient sort (untested), you can get a changelog with something like...
rpm -qp --changelog ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/enterprise/4ES/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-22.EL.src.rpm
Na. The laptop works now and the wife is happy. That's all that matters right now.
---- 1 - had to add '--nosignature' to get above command to work from CentOS machine and it gave me the changelog.
2 - If you want to know what they added to the kernel, I really think the changelog is a good place to look.
If you don't want to know and are happy with Ubuntu on the laptop and you know Red Hat doesn't up the kernels on their Enterprise stuff unless necessary, why did you even bother asking (or stating your impending excitement)?
I was under the impression that some of the acpi tools aren't part of the kernel but are available as add-ons.
Craig
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Craig White wrote:
rpm -qp --changelog ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/updates/enterprise/4ES/en/os/SRPMS/kernel-2.6.9-22.EL.src.rpm
Na. The laptop works now and the wife is happy. That's all that matters right now.
1 - had to add '--nosignature' to get above command to work from CentOS machine and it gave me the changelog.
I'll try it later. Thanks.
2 - If you want to know what they added to the kernel, I really think the changelog is a good place to look.
I'll look. To be honest, I just glanced at the command up above and thought it was a command to actually get at the latest kernel. So I misunderstood. I'll check it out later.
If you don't want to know and are happy with Ubuntu on the laptop and you know Red Hat doesn't up the kernels on their Enterprise stuff unless necessary, why did you even bother asking (or stating your impending excitement)?
I'm sort of happy with it. I mean, it works, supports my wife's MP3 player, etc. So I'm reticent to part with it. But I just find Ubuntu to be less stable overall, so I'd like to have everything be CentOS if at all possible. Plus there is software I sometimes can only get as an RPM. Plus I'm not fond of Ubuntu's way of handling root (i.e. there is a main user who does everything via sudo). So I'm always anxious to stick with CentOS. I just didn't see what your command was actually doing. I'll check it out later for sure.
I was under the impression that some of the acpi tools aren't part of the kernel but are available as add-ons.
It's true. But the kernel drivers have to be there for your particular hardware. In my case it works, but not quite as well as it could. The biggest thing, to be honest, is the ease of use of the MP3 player. She plugs it in and it just pops up and lets her drag and drop. If the kernel contains some backports of updated USB drivers, etc. it might be worth it to me to put it on the laptop. I can always test it on my desktop which WILL get upgraded when 4.2 releases.
Preston
On 10/12/05, mbneto mbneto@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bryan,
Thanks for the reply.
That was my first post to the list and sorry if my next comments seem too hard but...
My idea to move from fedora to centos was trying to get a stable distribution that I can afford with long term plans for support.
Fedora works fine for me but it's focus on bleeding edge tends to leave "old" (1 year-old) releases without "strong" support. They have the legacy but even that stop a while.
On the other hand wait a week for a security update come from rh to centos seems too much.
Some may argue that I can always grab the src myself and compile/install but that is not the point here.
Is there anything I can do to help ?
To get this release completed not likely.
CentOS accepts donations. I'm siure there are other possibilities, but they are very busy right now.
The only other option I see has it's own co$t$.... could be an option for some critical systems.
-- Leonard Isham, CISSP Ostendo non ostento.
mbneto wrote:
My idea to move from fedora to centos was trying to get a stable distribution that I can afford with long term plans for support.
We're talking about a complete distribution build, something that takes Redhat well over a few weeks to get together, test and release. I am sure you will allow us atleast a few days ( we dont do anywhere near the level of testing that Redhat would - but we still find issues and breakages, even in their release's ).
As has already been pointed out by some of the other people, security patches and releases are sent out within a few hours in most cases.
In this case - most of the patches and fixes released by Redhat on zero day along with 4U2 were indeed pushed out from our end, the only ones held back were pkgs that in turn had dep's on pkgs from the 4.2 tree. The pkg you mentioned, MySQL is in 4.2.
On the other hand wait a week for a security update come from rh to centos seems too much.
It has'nt been over a week yet, unless you live in Australia / Japan. :)
Is there anything I can do to help ?
There is always things people can do to help out, drop into #centos-devel on irc.freenode.net and we can talk.
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