On 12/25/06, Christophe anaema_ml@yahoo.fr wrote:

So, I didn't found how to launch disk druid (I want to avoid fdisk) - Is disk druid only available when installing CentOS ? Is there another fdisk alternative on text mode ?

You can use parted. It's far more capable than fdisk in many ways.

Daniel de Kok wrote:

On Mon, December 25, 2006 11:43 am, Kari Salovaara wrote:

...

How I should proceed when,

• I want the latest stable version,
• want to get some optional packages
• want to be able to update these progs
• I want to be able to upgrade this machine to new Centos 4.5 and Centos

5 in future

Did you find this wiki item?: http://wiki.centos.org/PackageManagement/SourceInstalls

Yes I know, but that topic was actually not related into my question. Maybe I should have been formulated the question; does anybody know reporsitory which I can use to get latest version of Gimp ?

To wrap it up: it's a bad idea and unsupported. CentOS is a coherent and stable system, manually adding or replacing stuff sacrifices that.

And that's why I use it (CentOS). And the same situation is with other distor too, ain't it so ?

Besides that, why would you want to upgrade just because there is a newer version?

For this reason I want to answer that I want to use some modern plugins and below is short list of some other reasons. ;-) And more has happened since 2.2.0. If You remember the exisiting version is 2.0.5 and soon Gimp will be at 2.3.0.

The GNU Image Manipulation Program Version 2.2 ----------------------------------------------

This is version 2.2 of The GIMP. Version 2.2 is an update on GIMP 2.0. GIMP 2.2 is fully backward compatible to GIMP 2.0. Plug-ins and scripts written for GIMP 2.0 will continue to work and don't need to be changed nor recompiled to be used with GIMP 2.2. We do however hope that plug-in authors will update their plug-ins for GIMP 2.2 and adapt the GUI changes we did with this version.

Please follow the installation instructions in INSTALL.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.2.0 (since 2.2-pre2 was released) =================================

- More work on GFig plug-in.

- Build fixes for Win32 and IRIX.

- Added --no-splash command-line option for gimp-remote.

- More tweaks to the migration of user settings.

- Improved input controller modules, added ALSA support to the MIDI module.

- Allow to transform layers with masks.

- Let the histogram respect the selection.

- Added gimp_edit_copy_visible as a replacement for the "Copy Visible" script.

- Improved color dithering routines.

- Lots of bug fixes and some optimizations.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.2-pre2 ====================================

- More work on GFig (still more to come here).

- Improvements and fixes to the migration of user settings.

- Final touches to the new PDB APIs.

- Ported some more item factories to GtkUIManager.

- Added new PDB function gimp_layer_from_mask().

- User interface cleanup in IFS Fractal plug-in (former IfsCompose).

- Allow file plug-ins to provide a way to access an image thumbnail if the file format provides one or can be rendered at small sizes.

- Load and save EXIF thumbnails in JPEG files.

- Render in small resolution when creating a thumbnail for a Postscript or PDF document or from an SVG or WMF image file.

- Allow to import Photoshop (.act) palette files.

- Added a Print Size dialog to bring back missing functionality from 2.0.

- Several improvements to the GIMP Python bindins.

- Guard the core better against misbehaving scripts and plug-ins.

- Changed the way that Script-Fu scripts register their menus (in a backward compatible way).

- Added ALSA support for the MIDI controller module.

- Resurrected the glob plug-in.

- Lots of bug fixes and some optimizations.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.2-pre1 ====================================

- Added more plug-in previews (Displace, Color To Alpha, Newsprint) and ported existing previews to the new widgets (Glass Tiles).

- Added preview to WMF loader plug-in.

- Added Retinex plug-in for color normalization.

- Added plug-in to load and save raw image data (_not_ the raw format used by some digital cameras)

- Added a GUI to configure controller modules.

- Let lots of core dialogs remember their last values and add shortcuts to run with the last values w/o opening the dialog.

- Added new PDB API for drawable tranformations.

- Register all libgimp enums to allow language bindings such as Script-Fu to access them using GType introspection.

- Improved how we attach user-visible strings to enums registered with the type system. Added API to access these strings to libgimpbase.

- Cleanups to the new GFig GUI (still work in progress).

- HIGification of the ImageMap plug-in.

- Cleaned up dialogs code.

- Added Auto Whitebalance menu item.

- Redid Scale and Resize dialogs.

- Added code to migrate user settings from ~/.gimp-2.0.

- lots of bug fixes.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.7 =================================

- Added even more plug-in previews (Value Propagate, Cubism, Colorify) and ported existing previews to the new widgets (AlienMap2, FlareFX, Jigsaw, NL Filter, Waves, Scatter HSV).

- More PDB API cleanups.

- Allow to specify the batch interpreter on the command-line.

- Improved selection-round script and moved it to the Select menu.

- Don't switch the active layer when using the Move tool.

- Updated libgimpthumb to support local thumbnails as introduced by version 0.7 of the thumbnail spec.

- Automatically create thumbnails from the Open dialog.

- Added entries next to most viewable buttons.

- Added a bunch of scripts to manipulate guides.

- Improved confirmation and warning dialogs.

- Lots of bug fixes.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.6 =================================

- Added more drawable previews (Color Exchange, DOG, Deinterlace, Engrave, Oilify, Ripple, Shift).

- Added new preview widget that shows a scaled view of the full drawable. Use it for Apply Lens, Blinds, Channel Mixer, Destripe, Emboss, Illusion, Map Color, Max RGB, Plasma, Polar, Solid Noise, Supernova, Whirl and Pinch.

- Added "Open as Layer" functionality to the menus.

- Implemented the recent-file-spec for shared storage of a list of recently used files (really URIs).

- Cleaned up plug-in procedure handling. Added the possibility to let plug-ins and scripts run using a private GimpContext.

- Added multi-line text entries for Script-Fu and Gimp-Python.

- Cleaned up PDB API for brushes, gradients, palettes and patterns. Deprecated lots of functions and added saner replacements. Added gimp-context-* PDB namespace with replacements for some of the deprecated stuff.

- Let GimpView handle pixbuf previews. Added a (themable) drop shadow to image-file previews.

- Cleaned up the dbbrowser and plugindetails code and GUI and factored out common code. Renamed both executables and menu entries.

- Made tools cancelable with <Escape>.

- Dim the outer (to be cropped) area when using the Crop tool.

- Let GimpDialog add a help button to give easier access to the help pages.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.5 =================================

- Ask the user to save the image when closing the last display.

- Restored compatibility of the wire protocol that was accidentally broken in 2.1.4.

- Added layer and mask actions to allow to create keybindings for them.

- Preview widget improvements: * let the preview expand with the plug-in dialog * added a navigation popup similar to the one in the image window * respect the selection and show how it will affect the filter * added API to draw to a GimpDrawablePreview from a GimpPixelRgn

- Added preview to more plug-ins: Cartoon, Apply Canvas, Photocopy, Motion Blur,

- Ported the Bumpmap plug-in preview to GimpDrawablePreview.

- Removed -u linker hacks from all Makefiles.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.4 =================================

- Rewritten internal handling of progress indicators. Embed progress bars to the File Open dialog to reduce annoying dialogs popping up.

- Added an API for plug-ins to embed a progress bar. Let the Script-Fu dialog swallow the progress bars created by running the script.

- Ported remaining plug-ins and modules to GimpPreviewArea and removed GimpOldPreview.

- Show progress while converting from RGB to Indexed Colors.

- Added new plug-ins Cartoon, Neon, Photocopy and Softglow.

- Let color selectors adapt to the given size.

- Import basic SVG shapes as paths.

- Improved GIH and guillotine plug-ins.

- Added GimpMessageBox widget. Collect error messages in a single dialog to reduce popups.

- Renamed the core GimpPreview widget to GimpView.

- Added a GimpPreview widget to libgimpwidgets. This is an abstract class that combines a GimpPreviewArea with scrollbars and a "Preview" toggle button.

- Added GimpDrawablePreview derived from GimpPreview.

- Improved previews in Unsharp Mask, Scatter RGB, Sharpen, Spread and Grid plug-ins.

- Added previews to Edge, Gaussian Blur, Neon, Soft Glow, Sobel and Selective Gaussian Blur.

- Added a logarithmic mode for the slider in a GimpScaleEntry.

- Script-Fu code cleanups.

- Fixed composite assembly code.

- Pass user settings for the checkerboard to plug-ins.

- Image comment, if any, is now shown within the info window.

- New function "Fit Canvas to Layers" (gimp_image_resize_to_layers)

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.3 =================================

- Cleanups to the MMX code and the composite subsystem in general

- Cleanups and fixes to Gimpressionst plug-in (bug #148088)

- Redone light settings GUI for Lighting plug-in.

- Added keyboard shortcut editor to preferences dialog (bug #142922)

- Implemented the callbacks for the various "Clear saved foobar now" buttons in the preferences dialog.

- Added support for loading gradients from SVG files. This allows to share gradient definitions with Inkscape and Sodipodi (bug #148127)

- Added parsers for the various ways to define a color in SVG to libgimpcolor.

- Added GimpColorHexEntry widget to libgimpwidgets. It displays colors in hexadecimal represention and takes hex and SVG color names as input.

- Added GimpCellRendererColor and GimpCellRendererToggle to libgimpwidgets.

- Renamed GimpColor boxed type to GimpRGB and moved it to libgimpcolor.

- Moved GIMP_TYPE_UNIT and GIMP_TYPE_MEMSIZE to libgimpbase.

- Fixes to the BMP loader plug-in (bug #143682).

- Fixes to the Decompose plug-in (bug #147603).

- Added palette selector widgets to libgimpui.

- Allow to disable mnemonics in menus (bug #120034).

- Ported TWAIN plug-in to Mac OS X (bug #147962).

- Support motion event history as provided by some input device drivers.

- Let the undo system know more specifically what an undo step does. Use that info to keep tools active across modifications to the image that don't affect the tool (bug #109561).

- Changed default config for keyboard controller to allow scrolling the display using the cursor keys (#53988).

- Added GimpPreviewArea widget as replacement for the deprecated GtkPreview widget. Ported most plug-ins to the new widget.

- Added shapes for generated brushes and allow for softer brushes.

- Allow to specify the aspect ratio in the scale tool.

- Lots of bug fixes and other goodies. Check the ChangeLog for details.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.2 =================================

- Further improvements to the new input controllers; added a keyboard controller.

- Show image preview in GFig plug-in, started a complete overhaul.

- Added Difference of Gaussians edge detection plug-in.

- Added more possibilities for drag'n'drop: * layers dialog accepts URI, color and pattern drops * path dialog takes and offers DND of SVG data

- Implemented PDB function gimp-path-get-point-at-dist.

- Allow to use the color picker to edit palettes (as in gimp-1.2).

- Improvements and code cleanup in gimpressionist plug-in.

- Allow to cut'n'paste image data between GIMP and other applications (for example Abiword) using the system clipboard.

- List unsaved images in Quit dialog.

- Completed core/gui separation. Optionally build a gimp-console application that behaves like 'gimp --no-interface' and doesn't link to GTK+ at all.

- Deprecated GimpPixmap and ported almost all users to GtkImage.

- Moved display projection code into a GimpProjection object. This means there's finally only a single projection per image.

- Introduced GimpPickable interface and implemented it for all core objects that you can pick colors from.

- Write smaller indexed MNG files.

- Fixed issues with the internal statusbar API.

- Allow for multiple light sources in the Lighting plug-in.

- Redone file type selection in file load/save dialogs.

- Removed HRZ plug-in.

- Improved developers documentation.

- Improved quality of antialiasing in the ellipse select tool.

- Lots of bug fixes and other goodies. Check the ChangeLog for details.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.1 =================================

- Added support for loading patterns in formats supported by GdkPixbuf (most notably PNG and JPEG).

- Use ARGB cursors when supported by the windowing system. Added nice new tool cursors.

- Added previews to Solid Noise and Unsharp Mask plug-ins.

- Improvements for painting with pressure-sensitive devices.

- Added preview for transform tools.

- Merged the Gaussian Blur plug-ins.

- Simplified the Blur plug-in.

- Reorganized the Preferences dialog.

- Dispatch Enter, Return, Backspace and Delete key events to the tools and use them where it makes sense.

- Some optimizations to the tile system, the gradient rendering and to the cubic interpolation routine.

- Show the brush outline while painting.

- Added an interface that allows to add controller modules. Such a module can dispatch events to The GIMP which are mapped to actions by a user-configurable mapping table. Added controller modules for mouse wheel, midi and linux_input devices.

- Applied HIG capitalization style to all(?) dialogs.

- Lots of bug fixes and other goodies. Check the ChangeLog for details.

Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.1.0 =================================

GIMP 2.1.0 includes the following enhancements over GIMP 2.0:

- Major user interface improvements.

* Large parts of the GIMP user interface have been changed to comply better with the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. This is an ongoing effort and the interface may still be inconsistent in a few places.

* Users are now allowed to clear the undo history.

* The unit to be used for the rulers and the coordinates display is now a display property and can be changed in the statusbar of the image window.

* New widgets and frameworks provided by GTK+ 2.4 are used; this means

+ uses the new GtkFileChooser dialog, vastly improving the file dialogs. + includes port of menus to GtkUIManager, which creates all core menus from XML files at runtime. This means that menu items can be rearranged by users simply by editing these files. + uses a global accelerator table in all docks and image windows. This means that a hotkey will do the same thing regardless of which dock or image window you are using. + adds replacement widgets based on GtkComboBox for most uses of GtkOptionMenu (GimpUnitMenu remains to be ported) + adds GimpContainerEntry, a GtkEntry with completion based on the contents of a GimpContainer. + makes the order and visibility of tools in the toolbox configurable + allows keeping toolbox and dock windows above other windows (if the WM supports this hint)

* The toolbox now has an optional preview of the active image.

* The image window now accepts file/uri drops.

- More internal cleanup and refactoring of the core object model.

- The brush rendering code has been separated from the generic paint tool code. The ink tool is now a paint tool (it can do straight lines) and the new infrastructure allows to implement new kinds of paint methods like vector based painting.

- Gradients can now be created, deleted, renamed and edited through the PDB.

- Some changes to plug-ins.

* Plug-ins can now register the same procedures in multiple places (the API to register menu entries has been changed in a backward-compatible fashion).

* Plug-ins can now optionally register a menu icon.

* File plug-ins can now register a mime-type.

* All plug-in dialogs have been reviewed and changed to make them comply better with the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines.

* All plug-ins that need to access files use the new GtkFileChooser dialog.

* The obsolete AlienMap and GIcon plug-ins were removed. AlienMap2 does everything than AlienMap did, and the GIMP-specific GIcon format has not been used by anything for quite some time now.

* A plug-in to load and save windows icon files has been added.

The Gimp in CentOS 4.4 works well and stable (for me).

Same here.

If you want the latest rather than stable software, it may be better to run Fedora.

Actually I'am runnig it in an other machine. But I need Gimp in this !

With kind regards and a Merry Christmas, Daniel de Kok

Best regards, Kari

OK. I was just curious if someone has managed to get newer version of Gimp to work under 4.4 with "tricks". See below some comments of personal life in home office and ... And in the end a proposal for help.

Johnny Hughes wrote:

Kari ... that is the difference between CentOS and the "Latest / Greatest" installs (like OpenSUSE, Fedora, etc.)

I've FC6 as one of multi boot choices, but I've to boot it always if I want to work with some upgraded applications. And then I cannot, at the moment, read my emails etc. Mainly I mean, to work with some other duties eg. to manage servers etc. This is always the negative side if you have many OS in your working desktop machine.

CentOS is Enterprise ...

Yes, thanks to You. I'm using it (CentOS) in several servers. I still have old Tao in some but quite soon they will be migrated into CentOS. I'm just studying all possible methods to diminish incoming spamming and how these programs can be updated under normal recommended CentOS processes. Also web servers need some development work to be done. This is the reason why I'm using CentOS as primary OS in my own desktop too. I think that several persons are doing like me. This is not a good solution if You have to work also with other topics than server management. Here is some examples how I've to work, in db development, write documents with really good photos, use GIS, do sound analysis etc. All these programs develop quite fast and they are sometimes buggy so you have to upgrade them frequently.

Let's assume we upgraded to a new Gimp and it was not compatible in some way with the older version. It might break a process that someone is relying on (the reason they installed centos in the first place).

Gimp 2.0.5 might still be the CentOS-4 version of GIMP in 2012 ... seriously.

Most items do not move up, just get security updates .. that is what enterprise linux is about. Stability.

As Daniel suggested, distros like Fedora or OpenSUSE (that upgrade every 6 months) are good for cutting edge stuff.

OpenSUSE or SUSE, anything related into SUSE is out of my possibilities ..... Maybe You understand. Thus I'm using sometimes FC in desktop machines and Mandriva in laptop (I don't know why ;-) ).

When you upgrade Gimp ... you will need a new version of pango ... and an upgraded gtk ... means newer gnome ... and soon, you do not have CentOS any more. Most of this stuff is all tied together. That is just how software builds. You can't run IE7 on Windows 95 either :P

Thanks. I didn't do analysis into which parts this upgrade has to touch. As I mentioned earlier I'm sometimes lazy. I'm sorry.

Thanks, Johnny Hughes

As I mentioned I've to make some new servers quite soon. I could upgrade some but it's more convenient and secure to make them clean and install new CentOS. That's also the way I hope and don't have to work hard with these servers for years. (?) At then moment I've some problems in privileges in spam protection programs, they are working perfectly but need upgrade, but I don't want to touch them that I wouldn't destroy anything. I know that there are guides and Howtos, how to install CentOS but at least the mail systems and spamming, php5, MySQL 5 could be taken into account. I'm also Typo3 in web servers which needs some other programs etc. HowtoForge has "The Perfect Setup - CentOS 4.4 (32-bit)" and I would like to change something more in there; - to use Webmin - spam and spamming protection - PHP5 - MySQL 5 - add Typo3 - something more ?

My proposal: Is there 1-2 persons to co-operate with me to produce similar document, an example Howto install Centos 5 ? HowtoForge document could be used as a framework. As I'm doing the new installations there is a good way to get experiences and examples into document. This document could benefit NGOs who don't have the resources to search all information and make thus their life easier and more secure. If there is some interested persons please write to me. Please also tell if You have special knowledge of some topics mentioned.

Thanks of the CentOS and thanks of Your patience.

Best regards, Kari