Hi folks
I'm just about to start using Centos again. I used it briefly a couple of years ago but found the switch to rpm a bit much after using deb for 5 years. Now there seem to be a lot of changes on the deb front so i'm going to try again with rpm.
I noticed that there is now a live CD (as well as the DVD) instead of the six CDs that i used before (iirc). I would just be grateful if someone could confirm that... i've been an xfce user so i was thinking that i've either got to go back to gnome and load the xfce desktop or use the DVD (and install xfce straight).
thanks james
On 12/28/2012 08:28 PM, James Freer wrote:
Hi folks
I'm just about to start using Centos again. I used it briefly a couple of years ago but found the switch to rpm a bit much after using deb for 5 years. Now there seem to be a lot of changes on the deb front so i'm going to try again with rpm.
I noticed that there is now a live CD (as well as the DVD) instead of the six CDs that i used before (iirc). I would just be grateful if someone could confirm that... i've been an xfce user so i was thinking that i've either got to go back to gnome and load the xfce desktop or use the DVD (and install xfce straight).
Download the netinstall & choose your window manager. Save you a lot of time.
Cheers,
Phil...
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Phil Dobbin wrote:
On 12/28/2012 08:28 PM, James Freer wrote:
Hi folks
I'm just about to start using Centos again. I used it briefly a couple of years ago but found the switch to rpm a bit much after using deb for 5 years. Now there seem to be a lot of changes on the deb front so i'm going to try again with rpm.
I noticed that there is now a live CD (as well as the DVD) instead of the six CDs that i used before (iirc). I would just be grateful if someone could confirm that... i've been an xfce user so i was thinking that i've either got to go back to gnome and load the xfce desktop or use the DVD (and install xfce straight).
Download the netinstall & choose your window manager. Save you a lot of time.
Cheers,
Phil...
Ah many thanks. I read about the minimal install and thought that's what i could use - thought better of it and chose the liveCD. I wasn't sure about the netinstall... but i've found since receiving your email a "how-to" and it seems quite clear.
Seems Centos has changed quite a bit from what i remember. There wasn't a liveCD and i installed from 6 CDs... which was a lot of downloading (easier to buy the DVD really).
james
Phil Dobbin wrote:
Download the netinstall & choose your window manager. Save you a lot of time.
My advice is different: download the regular DVD (not the live DVD) and use it to install. The first disk is sufficient.
The reason I have a different opinion is because netinstall is too minimal, especially if you're not familiar with CentOS, and installing with the live CD or DVD is too inflexible. Use the regular DVD instead.
Yves Bellefeuille
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Yves Bellefeuille yan@storm.ca wrote:
Phil Dobbin wrote:
Download the netinstall & choose your window manager. Save you a lot of time.
My advice is different: download the regular DVD (not the live DVD) and use it to install. The first disk is sufficient.
The reason I have a different opinion is because netinstall is too minimal, especially if you're not familiar with CentOS, and installing with the live CD or DVD is too inflexible. Use the regular DVD instead.
Yves Bellefeuille
You mean the bin DVD. Thing is with the DVD they are big for broadband download. I think i'd buy one. But i appreciate your advice.
One thing i did learn with linux when i first started is that it's essential to have a spare PC to test a distro on first - then one can use the main PC to email on if in trouble! I'll explore and test things out over the next few days. I had a good look at many distros 3 years ago and the only one's i liked were *buntu family and Centos.
james
On 12/28/2012 3:21 PM, James Freer wrote:
You mean the bin DVD. Thing is with the DVD they are big for broadband download. I think i'd buy one. But i appreciate your advice.
unless your broadband is metered, or really slow (and then should it be called broadband?), 4GB or whatever is really not that big of a deal. a few hours, perhaps.
One thing i did learn with linux when i first started is that it's essential to have a spare PC to test a distro on first - then one can...
or install it as a VM under VirtualBox or whatever. Thats certainly how *I* test stuff, and indeed, I put 16GB ram into my latest desktop PC just so I can run several substantial VMs as needed.
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, John R Pierce wrote:
On 12/28/2012 3:21 PM, James Freer wrote:
You mean the bin DVD. Thing is with the DVD they are big for broadband download. I think i'd buy one. But i appreciate your advice.
unless your broadband is metered, or really slow (and then should it be called broadband?), 4GB or whatever is really not that big of a deal. a few hours, perhaps.
One thing i did learn with linux when i first started is that it's essential to have a spare PC to test a distro on first - then one can...
or install it as a VM under VirtualBox or whatever. Thats certainly how *I* test stuff, and indeed, I put 16GB ram into my latest desktop PC just so I can run several substantial VMs as needed.
In the UK most broadband providers offer 10GB. After a distro CD, several clips on Youtube, probably a fair bit of "surfing" - i find myself qualifying for a reminder on broadband usage! I've got two spare PCs so i've never looked at VM and certainly never had a PC capable of taking 16GB RAM. Current PC is only about 18 months old so i think i need to shop more carefully next time.
many thanks - i'm off to explore Centos again.
james
On 12/29/2012 1:54 AM, James Freer wrote:
I've got two spare PCs so i've never looked at VM and certainly never had a PC capable of taking 16GB RAM. Current PC is only about 18 months old so i think i need to shop more carefully next time.
the new Intel Core i5 box I built last month can hold 32GB ram (4x8GB), I put 2x8GB in it. CPU is a I5-3570k, motherboard is Z77 based. 16gb of fast high grade memory was like US$59
my 2008 vintage Core2Duo box supported 8GB, that was plenty to run a 2-4GB VM as long as you aren't running /too/ much other stuff on the host OS concurrently. When I bought it, I only put 4GB in it. after upgrading my desktop system to the i5, I took the core2duo, put 8gb in it and set it up for my son (a college student), added a SSD as the main disk, and wow its fast now.
On 12/29/2012 11:08 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
On 12/29/2012 1:54 AM, James Freer wrote:
I've got two spare PCs so i've never looked at VM and certainly never had a PC capable of taking 16GB RAM. Current PC is only about 18 months old so i think i need to shop more carefully next time.
the new Intel Core i5 box I built last month can hold 32GB ram (4x8GB), I put 2x8GB in it. CPU is a I5-3570k, motherboard is Z77 based. 16gb of fast high grade memory was like US$59
my 2008 vintage Core2Duo box supported 8GB, that was plenty to run a 2-4GB VM as long as you aren't running /too/ much other stuff on the host OS concurrently. When I bought it, I only put 4GB in it. after upgrading my desktop system to the i5, I took the core2duo, put 8gb in it and set it up for my son (a college student), added a SSD as the main disk, and wow its fast now.
My most recent laptop, now 12 months old ( an ASUS i7 has 16 Gb of Ram, plus a 60Gb SSD for the OS) - I regularly run a VM with 2+Gb of Ram assigned, plus develop apps using MySql, php, apache and related systems and test these from the VM and the base CentOS 6.3 system under some load. As mentioned, RAM is cheap and the benefits of having it available are well utilised by CentOS and VMs.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 12/29/2012 09:54 AM, James Freer wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, John R Pierce wrote:
On 12/28/2012 3:21 PM, James Freer wrote:
You mean the bin DVD. Thing is with the DVD they are big for broadband download. I think i'd buy one. But i appreciate your advice.
unless your broadband is metered, or really slow (and then should it be called broadband?), 4GB or whatever is really not that big of a deal. a few hours, perhaps.
One thing i did learn with linux when i first started is that it's essential to have a spare PC to test a distro on first - then one can...
or install it as a VM under VirtualBox or whatever. Thats certainly how *I* test stuff, and indeed, I put 16GB ram into my latest desktop PC just so I can run several substantial VMs as needed.
In the UK most broadband providers offer 10GB. After a distro CD, several clips on Youtube, probably a fair bit of "surfing" - i find myself qualifying for a reminder on broadband usage! I've got two spare PCs so i've never looked at VM and certainly never had a PC capable of taking 16GB RAM. Current PC is only about 18 months old so i think i need to shop more carefully next time.
many thanks - i'm off to explore Centos again.
I'm with BT Infinity in the UK. Unmetered & 75 MBps down & 15 up.
If servers are your thing, I picked up a Dell Poweredge 860 with 2 x Dual Core Xeons & 8 GB's of RAM for £30 off eBay just before Xmas. You can, of course, run XWindows on it. It's a tad heavy on the gas (it's about 285W I think) but it's perfect for VMs.
Have fun!
Cheers,
Phil...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Phil Dobbin wrote:
On 12/29/2012 09:54 AM, James Freer wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, John R Pierce wrote:
On 12/28/2012 3:21 PM, James Freer wrote:
You mean the bin DVD. Thing is with the DVD they are big for broadband download. I think i'd buy one. But i appreciate your advice.
unless your broadband is metered, or really slow (and then should it be called broadband?), 4GB or whatever is really not that big of a deal. a few hours, perhaps.
One thing i did learn with linux when i first started is that it's essential to have a spare PC to test a distro on first - then one can...
or install it as a VM under VirtualBox or whatever. Thats certainly how *I* test stuff, and indeed, I put 16GB ram into my latest desktop PC just so I can run several substantial VMs as needed.
In the UK most broadband providers offer 10GB. After a distro CD, several clips on Youtube, probably a fair bit of "surfing" - i find myself qualifying for a reminder on broadband usage! I've got two spare PCs so i've never looked at VM and certainly never had a PC capable of taking 16GB RAM. Current PC is only about 18 months old so i think i need to shop more carefully next time.
many thanks - i'm off to explore Centos again.
Hi Phil
I'm with BT Infinity in the UK. Unmetered & 75 MBps down & 15 up.
hmm - i think i need to have a word with BT! But i don't see how you can be unmetered and then 75 down and 15 up tbh. Bit more learning and exploring necessary. Nice to know someone on the list is fron the UK.
If servers are your thing, I picked up a Dell Poweredge 860 with 2 x Dual Core Xeons & 8 GB's of RAM for £30 off eBay just before Xmas. You can, of course, run XWindows on it. It's a tad heavy on the gas (it's about 285W I think) but it's perfect for VMs.
It's something i want to learn about. My hands are rather full copying with my mother's Alzheimer's so i don't get enough time. I'll get back to you if that's ok maybe with some questions. Our LUG group never meet for 'workshops' so i don't have anyone to ask locally. I see you use several distros - Ubuntu (im)Precise i've given up on.
yours james
On 12/29/2012 10:46 AM, James Freer wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Phil Dobbin wrote:
On 12/29/2012 09:54 AM, James Freer wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, John R Pierce wrote:
On 12/28/2012 3:21 PM, James Freer wrote:
You mean the bin DVD. Thing is with the DVD they are big for broadband download. I think i'd buy one. But i appreciate your advice.
unless your broadband is metered, or really slow (and then should it be called broadband?), 4GB or whatever is really not that big of a deal. a few hours, perhaps.
One thing i did learn with linux when i first started is that it's essential to have a spare PC to test a distro on first - then one can...
or install it as a VM under VirtualBox or whatever. Thats certainly how *I* test stuff, and indeed, I put 16GB ram into my latest desktop PC just so I can run several substantial VMs as needed.
In the UK most broadband providers offer 10GB. After a distro CD, several clips on Youtube, probably a fair bit of "surfing" - i find myself qualifying for a reminder on broadband usage! I've got two spare PCs so i've never looked at VM and certainly never had a PC capable of taking 16GB RAM. Current PC is only about 18 months old so i think i need to shop more carefully next time.
many thanks - i'm off to explore Centos again.
Hi Phil
I'm with BT Infinity in the UK. Unmetered & 75 MBps down & 15 up.
hmm - i think i need to have a word with BT! But i don't see how you can be unmetered and then 75 down and 15 up tbh. Bit more learning and exploring necessary. Nice to know someone on the list is fron the UK.
If servers are your thing, I picked up a Dell Poweredge 860 with 2 x Dual Core Xeons & 8 GB's of RAM for £30 off eBay just before Xmas. You can, of course, run XWindows on it. It's a tad heavy on the gas (it's about 285W I think) but it's perfect for VMs.
It's something i want to learn about. My hands are rather full copying with my mother's Alzheimer's so i don't get enough time. I'll get back to you if that's ok maybe with some questions. Our LUG group never meet for 'workshops' so i don't have anyone to ask locally. I see you use several distros - Ubuntu (im)Precise i've given up on.
If you're with BT Broadband, you can upgrade to Infinity free of charge (dependent, of course, if it's available in your area) & it's only about a fiver extra a month on the bill. It's very cheap.
By all means, if you need anything, just email me. No problem.
Cheers,
Phil...
On 12/29/2012 2:46 AM, James Freer wrote:
I'm with BT Infinity in the UK. Unmetered & 75 MBps down & 15 up.
hmm - i think i need to have a word with BT! But i don't see how you can be unmetered and then 75 down and 15 up tbh. Bit more learning and exploring necessary. Nice to know someone on the list is fron the UK.
I believe he meant his SPEEDS are 75Mbit/sec and 15Mbit/sec, not data caps.
On 12/29/2012 09:37 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
On 12/29/2012 2:46 AM, James Freer wrote:
I'm with BT Infinity in the UK. Unmetered & 75 MBps down & 15 up.
hmm - i think i need to have a word with BT! But i don't see how you can be unmetered and then 75 down and 15 up tbh. Bit more learning and exploring necessary. Nice to know someone on the list is fron the UK.
I believe he meant his SPEEDS are 75Mbit/sec and 15Mbit/sec, not data caps.
Correct, I do mean speeds. As for data caps, it's advertised as unlimited & Nagios is telling me I have 17 machines on the local network & more than a couple of those are heavy hitters & I've never been capped or emailed to cut it out (I've also got a wife & three kids who game heavily every night).
True, there is a very minimal throttling that happens sometimes at peak hours between about 18:00 & 21:00 very occasionally but it's negligible.
All in all, I'm very, very happy with the service.
Cheers,
Phil...
On Saturday 29 December 2012, James Freer jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com wrote:
In the UK most broadband providers offer 10GB.
Obviously, I'm not familiar with the market in the UK, but here in Canada, many ISPs offer a "basic" or "beginner" package with 10 GB or 25 GB. For a few dollars more, you can have 50 GB, which is obviously worth it.
For example, I see that BT's "Broadband" package costs 13 pounds and gives you 10 GB, and that the "More Broadband" package costs 18 pounds and gives you 40 GB.
On 12/30/2012 12:22 AM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
On Saturday 29 December 2012, James Freer jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com wrote:
In the UK most broadband providers offer 10GB.
Obviously, I'm not familiar with the market in the UK, but here in Canada, many ISPs offer a "basic" or "beginner" package with 10 GB or 25 GB. For a few dollars more, you can have 50 GB, which is obviously worth it.
For example, I see that BT's "Broadband" package costs 13 pounds and gives you 10 GB, and that the "More Broadband" package costs 18 pounds and gives you 40 GB.
Have a look at:
http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/products/broadband/infinity
you'll find the unlimited (i.e. uncapped data) package there along with speeds of up to 160 MBps down & 20 MBps up.
Cheers,
Phil...
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