Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it. But my web pages aren't usually anything exceptionally fancy.
No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML. Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified *every* *line*.
I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want, if that's not overkill.
mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
The only web editor out of which I've ever got any mileage at all was bluegriffon - but the only time I've tried it was about 5 years ago, when it was both fully free and quite unstable (it was undergoing a lot of development work.) It's not fully free now, and it remains to be seen how stable it is now (I should give it another go.) Worth trying though.
On 21 November 2018 15:26:46 GMT+00:00, mark m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with
libreoffice
and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it. But my web pages aren't usually anything exceptionally fancy.
No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML. Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified *every* *line*.
I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want, if that's not overkill.
mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
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On 11/21/18 10:26 AM, mark wrote:
Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it. But my web pages aren't usually anything exceptionally fancy.
No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML. Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified *every* *line*.
I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want, if that's not overkill.
mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
I can make the basic pages, but they need to tools to upload content. Recordings, announcements (in pdf) and the like. So something more than here is how to compose your html and here is SSH to do a scp file transfer....
I will look at docuwiki and perhaps WordPress (seem to recall it is more than just an html editor).
Given your situation I would consider carefully crafting the html yourself (frames for content, etc) and specifying constraints for them (for example: not changing an image's size and saving any file for use without line feeds) such that file replacement was all that is needed. For someone who isn't technically trained (your end user apparently), turning them loose with any HTML editor is equivalent to handing a scalpel to a child.
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________________________________________ From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:07 AM To: CentOS mailing list; mark Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work
On 11/21/18 10:26 AM, mark wrote:
Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it. But my web pages aren't usually anything exceptionally fancy.
No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML. Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified *every* *line*.
I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want, if that's not overkill.
mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
I can make the basic pages, but they need to tools to upload content. Recordings, announcements (in pdf) and the like. So something more than here is how to compose your html and here is SSH to do a scp file transfer....
I will look at docuwiki and perhaps WordPress (seem to recall it is more than just an html editor).
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On 11/21/18 9:26 AM, mark wrote:
Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it. But my web pages aren't usually anything exceptionally fancy.
No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML. Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified *every* *line*.
I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want, if that's not overkill.
mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
This is the great advise. Basically, your problem is in asking experts what one can do without willing to gain some expertise. Mark gave nice advise though he himself just edits html (and so do I) when necessary (and my editor is vi as well, even more: real vi on FreeBSD, not vim - that is "vi improved" - that ships with Linuxes).
More productive would be searching web for something like "how to create nice webpage without any knowledge" or similar.
Note that I didn't use common these days word for searching as I for one am avoiding that particular search service and am using duckduckgo.com (search for answer on the web if it unclear why ;-)
Valeri
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On 11/21/18 11:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On 11/21/18 9:26 AM, mark wrote:
Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
Libreoffice can create a html page from a word processor document.
I've done that a few times where I do the basic layout with libreoffice and then hand-edit the html to fine tune it. But my web pages aren't usually anything exceptionally fancy.
No word processor produces anything but absolute 100% pure crap HTML. Every single line has every possible option, and a few extras.
The one HTML editor I ever tried, Quanta, had the lovely habit of, once you hit ?display", when you went back to editing, it has left justified *every* *line*.
I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want, if that's not overkill.
mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
This is the great advise. Basically, your problem is in asking experts what one can do without willing to gain some expertise. Mark gave nice advise though he himself just edits html (and so do I) when necessary (and my editor is vi as well, even more: real vi on FreeBSD, not vim - that is "vi improved" - that ships with Linuxes).
More productive would be searching web for something like "how to create nice webpage without any knowledge" or similar.
Note that I didn't use common these days word for searching as I for one am avoiding that particular search service and am using duckduckgo.com (search for answer on the web if it unclear why ;-)
Please check out www.htt-consult.com
All the content was done in Geany. Handcrafted. Did a lot of research on the various text boxes for the code stuff. Go ahead and look at the source.
But this is not for me. I may not be able to put up all the content. I need some stuff that provides some basic presentation and management tools. Someone other than me will be uploading recordings and announcements. My goal is to put together some simple tools for their use. Not mine.
Valeri
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--On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:40 AM -0500 Robert Moskowitz rgm@htt-consult.com wrote:
I need some stuff that provides some basic presentation and management tools. Someone other than me will be uploading recordings and announcements. My goal is to put together some simple tools for their use. Not mine.
That's why I install/update WordPress for people who are not coders. If they want a fancy look, they can use themes. But the content management is already built in and fairly easy to use for someone who knows nothing about how this stuff works.
I suggest looking at the help pages for how to install it via Subversion to make it easy to update. Make the PHP source owned by a custom user, with Apache having write access only to a few necessary directories like the upload directory. (Most of the content will actually be in MySQL or MariaDB.) I use ~website/trunk to hold the code.
https://codex.wordpress.org/Installing/Updating_WordPress_with_Subversion
-----Original Message----- From: CentOS centos-bounces@centos.org On Behalf Of mark Sent: den 21 november 2018 16:27 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Upping my game on web work
Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:02:38 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
What 'simple' web support tools do we have here?
I hate to suggest it, but something like WordPress might be what you want, if that's not overkill.
You beat me to it. May I add Joomla for a little more added flexibility? I feel Drupal may be a bit over the top.
mark "my web pages proudly built in vi"
Why would anybody use anything else? ;-)
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