Someone on the opennms mail list just mentioned that RHEL up2date now provides sun java. Is that a possibility for the Centos repositories?
Les Mikesell wrote:
Someone on the opennms mail list just mentioned that RHEL up2date now provides sun java. Is that a possibility for the Centos repositories?
ENEEDMOREINFO
btw, RHEL has always provided a working ( ibm or whatever ) java stack that just worked via their extras mechanism.
if someone can sort out the legal angles and show us some sources - we'd look at doing the same thing.
- KB
Karanbir Singh wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Someone on the opennms mail list just mentioned that RHEL up2date now provides sun java. Is that a possibility for the Centos repositories?
ENEEDMOREINFO
btw, RHEL has always provided a working ( ibm or whatever ) java stack that just worked via their extras mechanism.
if someone can sort out the legal angles and show us some sources - we'd look at doing the same thing.
Here's all I have to go on: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=4638EDEC.3090904%40b...
I'm looking for a mostly-RPM way to get tomcat and opennms installed on Centos. I have one working, but I'd rather not have to repeat that process.
I'm looking for a mostly-RPM way to get tomcat and opennms installed on Centos. I have one working, but I'd rather not have to repeat that process.
You can always use the jpackage yum repo.
You can follow these steps:
http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/tomcat-centos/
However I have found the following to be easier:
http://members.cox.net/midian/howto/flex+tomcat3.htm#3.2 http://members.cox.net/midian/howto/apache+tomcat+mod_jk2.htm
Matt Martz wrote:
I'm looking for a mostly-RPM way to get tomcat and opennms installed on Centos. I have one working, but I'd rather not have to repeat that process.
You can always use the jpackage yum repo.
You can follow these steps:
http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/tomcat-centos/
However I have found the following to be easier:
http://members.cox.net/midian/howto/flex+tomcat3.htm#3.2 http://members.cox.net/midian/howto/apache+tomcat+mod_jk2.htm
I know it can be done the hard way, but I'd like something that (a) takes care of the weird alternatives double-symlink stuff correctly (whatever that might mean) and (b) will subsequently pick up updates with a normal 'yum update' like the rest of the system. I set up the jpackage version (and repo) a while back but now it won't update because some dependency is missing.
On 5/3/07, Karanbir Singh mail-lists@karan.org wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Someone on the opennms mail list just mentioned that RHEL up2date now provides sun java. Is that a possibility for the Centos repositories?
ENEEDMOREINFO
btw, RHEL has always provided a working ( ibm or whatever ) java stack that just worked via their extras mechanism.
if someone can sort out the legal angles and show us some sources - we'd look at doing the same thing.
- KB
Would it be possible to have Sun's JDK in a CentOS repository using Sun DLJ license? This license allows the binary JDK redistribution by linux distributions (as far as I know Ubuntu includes the JDK under this license).
http://download.java.net/dlj/DLJ-FAQ.txt https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/developer.html
Regards,
Radu
Radu Radutiu wrote:
Would it be possible to have Sun's JDK in a CentOS repository using Sun DLJ license? This license allows the binary JDK redistribution by linux distributions (as far as I know Ubuntu includes the JDK under this license).
we had a look at this a long time back, when the DLJ was announced initially - and we didnt think it was open enough for us to ship Java, also there are some legal issues that seem grey and the only response we could get from Sun was along the lines of 'go speak to your lawyers'.
We dont really have any layers, so we wont be speaking to them :)
- KB
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Radu Radutiu wrote:
Would it be possible to have Sun's JDK in a CentOS repository using Sun DLJ license? This license allows the binary JDK redistribution by linux distributions (as far as I know Ubuntu includes the JDK under this license).
we had a look at this a long time back, when the DLJ was announced initially
- and we didnt think it was open enough for us to ship Java, also there are
some legal issues that seem grey and the only response we could get from Sun was along the lines of 'go speak to your lawyers'.
We dont really have any layers, so we wont be speaking to them :)
The main issue is that Sun insist that we accept liability for 3rd party use - whilst Mark Shuttleworth has deep enough pockets - we dont ....
We are trying to work with Sun to remove this requirement though.
Regards Lance
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Lance Davis wrote:
Would it be possible to have Sun's JDK in a CentOS repository using Sun DLJ license? This license allows the binary JDK redistribution by linux distributions (as far as I know Ubuntu includes the JDK under this license).
we had a look at this a long time back, when the DLJ was announced initially - and we didnt think it was open enough for us to ship Java, also there are some legal issues that seem grey and the only response we could get from Sun was along the lines of 'go speak to your lawyers'.
We dont really have any layers, so we wont be speaking to them :)
The main issue is that Sun insist that we accept liability for 3rd party use - whilst Mark Shuttleworth has deep enough pockets - we dont ....
We are trying to work with Sun to remove this requirement though.
I don't see how, regardless of what the Sun agreement says, you could be held any more or less responsible for redistributing java than any other software component you redistribute. That is, someone would have to successfully sue over damages from a software flaw first and if people could do that, Microsoft would have been out of business many years ago. And it is bound to be less buggy than the version you do distribute...
Anyway, according the the link I posted (which I can't check myself), you can now use RHEL up2date to get sun java, so Red Hat must have worked something out too.
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Les Mikesell wrote:
Lance Davis wrote:
Would it be possible to have Sun's JDK in a CentOS repository using Sun DLJ license? This license allows the binary JDK redistribution by linux distributions (as far as I know Ubuntu includes the JDK under this license).
we had a look at this a long time back, when the DLJ was announced initially - and we didnt think it was open enough for us to ship Java, also there are some legal issues that seem grey and the only response we could get from Sun was along the lines of 'go speak to your lawyers'.
We dont really have any layers, so we wont be speaking to them :)
The main issue is that Sun insist that we accept liability for 3rd party use - whilst Mark Shuttleworth has deep enough pockets - we dont ....
We are trying to work with Sun to remove this requirement though.
I don't see how, regardless of what the Sun agreement says, you could be held any more or less responsible for redistributing java than any other software component you redistribute. That is, someone would have to successfully sue over damages from a software flaw first and if people could do that, Microsoft would have been out of business many years ago. And it is bound to be less buggy than the version you do distribute...
Yes - but indemnification of Sun for their legal fees is more than the developers want to commit to .....
Regards Lance
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Les Mikesell wrote:
Lance Davis wrote:
Would it be possible to have Sun's JDK in a CentOS repository using Sun DLJ license? This license allows the binary JDK redistribution by linux distributions (as far as I know Ubuntu includes the JDK under this license).
we had a look at this a long time back, when the DLJ was announced initially - and we didnt think it was open enough for us to ship Java, also there are some legal issues that seem grey and the only response we could get from Sun was along the lines of 'go speak to your lawyers'.
We dont really have any layers, so we wont be speaking to them :)
The main issue is that Sun insist that we accept liability for 3rd party use - whilst Mark Shuttleworth has deep enough pockets - we dont ....
We are trying to work with Sun to remove this requirement though.
I don't see how, regardless of what the Sun agreement says, you could be held any more or less responsible for redistributing java than any other software component you redistribute. That is, someone would have to successfully sue over damages from a software flaw first and if people could do that, Microsoft would have been out of business many years ago. And it is bound to be less buggy than the version you do distribute...
Anyway, according the the link I posted (which I can't check myself), you can now use RHEL up2date to get sun java, so Red Hat must have worked something out too.
So what is the magic command with up2date to get that? Or what repo is it coming from?
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Lance Davis wrote:
Would it be possible to have Sun's JDK in a CentOS repository using Sun DLJ license? This license allows the binary JDK redistribution by linux distributions (as far as I know Ubuntu includes the JDK under this license).
we had a look at this a long time back, when the DLJ was announced initially - and we didnt think it was open enough for us to ship Java, also there are some legal issues that seem grey and the only response we could get from Sun was along the lines of 'go speak to your lawyers'.
We dont really have any layers, so we wont be speaking to them :)
The main issue is that Sun insist that we accept liability for 3rd party use - whilst Mark Shuttleworth has deep enough pockets - we dont ....
We are trying to work with Sun to remove this requirement though.
I don't see how, regardless of what the Sun agreement says, you could be held any more or less responsible for redistributing java than any other software component you redistribute. That is, someone would have to successfully sue over damages from a software flaw first and if people could do that, Microsoft would have been out of business many years ago. And it is bound to be less buggy than the version you do distribute...
Anyway, according the the link I posted (which I can't check myself), you can now use RHEL up2date to get sun java, so Red Hat must have worked something out too.
So what is the magic command with up2date to get that? Or what repo is it coming from?
According to: http://apps.byuh.edu/olelo/?p=14 it is up2date java-1.5.0-sun-devel
Les Mikesell wrote:
I don't see how, regardless of what the Sun agreement says, you could be held any more or less responsible for redistributing java than any other software component you redistribute. That is, someone would have to successfully sue over damages from a software flaw first and if people could do that, Microsoft would have been out of business many years ago. And it is bound to be less buggy than the version you do distribute...
Anyway, according the the link I posted (which I can't check myself), you can now use RHEL up2date to get sun java, so Red Hat must have worked something out too.
Scientific Linux 4.x comes with sun java too.
Ioannis Vranos wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
I don't see how, regardless of what the Sun agreement says, you could be held any more or less responsible for redistributing java than any other software component you redistribute. That is, someone would have to successfully sue over damages from a software flaw first and if people could do that, Microsoft would have been out of business many years ago. And it is bound to be less buggy than the version you do distribute...
Anyway, according the the link I posted (which I can't check myself), you can now use RHEL up2date to get sun java, so Red Hat must have worked something out too.
Scientific Linux 4.x comes with sun java too.
Are the repositories compatible?
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Scientific Linux 4.x comes with sun java too.
Are the repositories compatible?
I am not sure what you mean exactly. SL is RHEL compatible as CentOS.
Yes. Note there are the differences because of CentOS vs SL vs RedHat in the area of logos.
-Connie Sieh
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Scientific Linux 4.x comes with sun java too.
Are the repositories compatible?
I am not sure what you mean exactly. SL is RHEL compatible as CentOS.
Yes. Note there are the differences because of CentOS vs SL vs RedHat in the area of logos.
So does SL indemnify Sun for their legal expenses for 3rd party claims against them ??
Regards Lance
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On Thu, 3 May 2007, Lance Davis wrote:
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Scientific Linux 4.x comes with sun java too.
Are the repositories compatible?
I am not sure what you mean exactly. SL is RHEL compatible as CentOS.
Yes. Note there are the differences because of CentOS vs SL vs RedHat in the area of logos.
So does SL indemnify Sun for their legal expenses for 3rd party claims against them ??
All I know is that Troy called Sun a while ago and they said we could put it in.
-Connie Sieh
Regards Lance
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On Thu, 3 May 2007, Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Lance Davis wrote:
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 3 May 2007, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Scientific Linux 4.x comes with sun java too.
Are the repositories compatible?
I am not sure what you mean exactly. SL is RHEL compatible as CentOS.
Yes. Note there are the differences because of CentOS vs SL vs RedHat in the area of logos.
So does SL indemnify Sun for their legal expenses for 3rd party claims against them ??
All I know is that Troy called Sun a while ago and they said we could put it in.
I would read the DLJ ....
Regards Lance
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CentOS List wrote:
Someone on the opennms mail list just mentioned that RHEL up2date now provides sun java. Is that a possibility for the Centos repositories?
I think CentOS repo is providing Sun Java 1.4.2.
I know it doesn't. You get the gcj implementation which works with the bundled eclipse and other assorted apps (tomcat for example), but that is not the SDK from Sun.
Ralph
Hi,
Someone on the opennms mail list just mentioned that RHEL up2date now provides sun java. Is that a possibility for the Centos repositories?
I think CentOS repo is providing Sun Java 1.4.2.
I know it doesn't. You get the gcj implementation which works with the bundled eclipse and other assorted apps (tomcat for example), but that is not the SDK from Sun.
I hate gcj with eclipse. one example is it locked up my cpu at 100% everytime I edited a .js or .html file.
launched it with a real vm using
eclipse -vm /path-to/jre/bin/java
now have no problems
shawn
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