On 08/03/12 12:35, Sorin Srbu wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Toralf Lund Sent: den 8 mars 2012 11:36 To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] Thunderbird and Firefox 10 font rendering
Does anyone else experience this? Any idea how to fix it (besides downgrading)?
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Just tried this on a virtual machine. Looks good here. Maybe your monitor is flakey? Have you tried experimenting with screen resolution and colour
I don't see how this can be a monitor problem when everything is fine in *all* applications besides the ones mentioned - including the older versions of Thunderbird and Firefox.
depth? Try pressing Ctrl-0 ("zero") to set your Fx to the default character sizes.
Makes no difference...
BTW, besides the bluryness, the fonts also look thinner somehow; I get a distinct feeling of having returned to Gtk/GNOME version 1, if you know what I mean... Perhaps anti-aliasing is disabled?
- Toralf
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-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Toralf Lund Sent: den 8 mars 2012 12:40 To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird and Firefox 10 font rendering
BTW, besides the bluryness, the fonts also look thinner somehow; I get a distinct feeling of having returned to Gtk/GNOME version 1, if you know what I mean... Perhaps anti-aliasing is disabled? ====================
How about try setting some other fonts within Fx?
I use both 3.6.26 (from centOS 5) and 10.0.2 (binary from mozilla). And, after setting the same font settings in both, I cannot see any real differences... Only tiny difference I could find if I screenshot both and zoom a lot is lighter pixels in the anti-aliasing of 10.x. But that might just depend on the position in the display maybe...
JD
On 08/03/12 14:35, John Doe wrote:
I use both 3.6.26 (from centOS 5) and 10.0.2 (binary from mozilla). And, after setting the same font settings in both, I cannot see any real differences... Only tiny difference I could find if I screenshot both and zoom a lot is lighter pixels in the anti-aliasing of 10.x. But that might just depend on the position in the display maybe...
Like I said elsewhere, I looks like the version 10 applications do not pick up the settings from System->Preferences->Fonts->Details... in GNOME. I've just verified that Firefox does on a system with an older CentOS version, although there are no direct updates like for other programs - I have to hit reload to see updates in the contents area, and restart to get updated display in menus etc.
If it's not too much too ask, could you check if these settings have and effect for you?
- Toralf
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From: Toralf Lund toralf.lund@pgs.com
Like I said elsewhere, I looks like the version 10 applications do not pick up the settings from System->Preferences->Fonts->Details... in GNOME. I've just verified that Firefox does on a system with an older CentOS version, although there are no direct updates like for other programs - I have to hit reload to see updates in the contents area, and restart to get updated display in menus etc. If it's not too much too ask, could you check if these settings have and effect for you?
Hum... playing with the gnome font settings does not change anything in either firefoxes...
JD
From: John Doe jdmls@yahoo.com
Hum... playing with the gnome font settings does not change anything in either firefoxes...
But if you meant changing something else than rendering: if change the "Application font", it changes in both firefoxes instantaneously... Maybe check in /etc/fonts/conf.d/...
JD
On 08/03/12 15:36, John Doe wrote:
From: John Doejdmls@yahoo.com
Hum... playing with the gnome font settings does not change anything in either firefoxes...
Really? I'm trying this again now... What I'm doing is:
1. Start firefox 2. Select System->Preferences->Fonts from the desktop panel menu. 3. In the "Font Preferences" window, click "Details...". 4. Select "None" under "Smoothing:" in the "Font Rendering Details" window - where "Grayscale" or "Subpixel (LCDs)" was selected in the past. 5. Restart firefox
... while inspecting the texts in the desktop menu and the firefox menu bar. Now, the destop menu text clearly changes after the step 4 - the letters get a somewhat thinner and more jagged appearance. The firefox menu bar stays the same. However, on the system running firefox 3.6.26, after step 5 it changes, too, so that it looks like the one on the desktop. With firefox 10, there is no change even after this step.
Note that I'm testing the old firefox on a system that has not got the latest set of updates, though, i.e. it's still essentially on CentOS 5.7. In other words, other packages may be affecting the behaviour.
But if you meant changing something else than rendering: if change the "Application font", it changes in both firefoxes instantaneously...
Yep. That works for me, too.
Maybe check in /etc/fonts/conf.d/...
It contains a lot of files, but I suppose I'll have to look through all of them...
- Toralf
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On 12/03/12 09:11, Toralf Lund wrote:
On 08/03/12 15:36, John Doe wrote:
From: John Doejdmls@yahoo.com
Hum... playing with the gnome font settings does not change anything in either firefoxes...
Really? I'm trying this again now... What I'm doing is:
- Start firefox
- Select System->Preferences->Fonts from the desktop panel menu.
- In the "Font Preferences" window, click "Details...".
- Select "None" under "Smoothing:" in the "Font Rendering Details" window - where "Grayscale" or "Subpixel (LCDs)" was selected in the past.
- Restart firefox
Actually, that works mainly as a way of testing on the "old" system (which is what I focused on now.) On the new one, texts look rather as if they have no smoothing already, so the inverse test is more appropriate...
- Toralf
... while inspecting the texts in the desktop menu and the firefox menu bar. Now, the destop menu text clearly changes after the step 4 - the letters get a somewhat thinner and more jagged appearance. The firefox menu bar stays the same. However, on the system running firefox 3.6.26, after step 5 it changes, too, so that it looks like the one on the desktop. With firefox 10, there is no change even after this step.
Note that I'm testing the old firefox on a system that has not got the latest set of updates, though, i.e. it's still essentially on CentOS 5.7. In other words, other packages may be affecting the behaviour.
But if you meant changing something else than rendering: if change the "Application font", it changes in both firefoxes instantaneously...
Yep. That works for me, too.
Maybe check in /etc/fonts/conf.d/...
It contains a lot of files, but I suppose I'll have to look through all of them...
- Toralf
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On 03/08/2012 07:49 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
On 08/03/12 14:35, John Doe wrote:
I use both 3.6.26 (from centOS 5) and 10.0.2 (binary from mozilla). And, after setting the same font settings in both, I cannot see any real differences... Only tiny difference I could find if I screenshot both and zoom a lot is lighter pixels in the anti-aliasing of 10.x. But that might just depend on the position in the display maybe...
Like I said elsewhere, I looks like the version 10 applications do not pick up the settings from System->Preferences->Fonts->Details... in GNOME. I've just verified that Firefox does on a system with an older CentOS version, although there are no direct updates like for other programs - I have to hit reload to see updates in the contents area, and restart to get updated display in menus etc.
If it's not too much too ask, could you check if these settings have and effect for you?
Firefox 10.0.1, at least the version in CentOS6 that is included, has its own unique font settings.
Please open the Edit => Preferences ... then click the "Content" tab.
In the Content Area, you will see a "Fonts & Colors" area, and there is where you will pick your Firefox font. There is also an Advanced section.
On 08/03/12 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 03/08/2012 07:49 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
On 08/03/12 14:35, John Doe wrote:
I use both 3.6.26 (from centOS 5) and 10.0.2 (binary from mozilla). And, after setting the same font settings in both, I cannot see any real differences... Only tiny difference I could find if I screenshot both and zoom a lot is lighter pixels in the anti-aliasing of 10.x. But that might just depend on the position in the display maybe...
Like I said elsewhere, I looks like the version 10 applications do not pick up the settings from System->Preferences->Fonts->Details... in GNOME. I've just verified that Firefox does on a system with an older CentOS version, although there are no direct updates like for other programs - I have to hit reload to see updates in the contents area, and restart to get updated display in menus etc.
If it's not too much too ask, could you check if these settings have and effect for you?
Firefox 10.0.1, at least the version in CentOS6 that is included, has its own unique font settings.
Please open the Edit => Preferences ... then click the "Content" tab.
In the Content Area, you will see a "Fonts& Colors" area, and there is where you will pick your Firefox font. There is also an Advanced section.
I'm not talking about selecting fonts, but rather configuration of how exactly the letter shapes are drawn for any font.
- Toralf
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