The laws already exist:
Disturbing the peace, Misappropriation of public funds, Prohibition on unfunded mandates.
What's lacking is prosecutors, judges, and juries who see the politicians as getting in the way of the statesmen and the people.
To drag this back towards On Topic, it seems to me that the ntp folks might be petitioned to write up and submit to the Congress, a paper requesting them to keep their danged hands in one-another's pockets, and leave the clock alone.
albeit not in those precise words...
Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner@gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838
thebs413@earthlink.net 11/07/05 02:50PM >>>
Aleksandar Milivojevic alex@milivojevic.org wrote:
Those darn politicians, there should be a law to put into jail for life any politician who even thinks about proposing any artificial time changes,
While my Libertarian ideals agree with you on the fact that politicians live to legislate, but statemen do not, asking for such jail time for doing such would require yet another law. ;->
Seriously now, GMT everything. I have always GMT'd the RTC -- especially with the common "double jump" that Windows used to pull on me (until they fixed that). But I started GMT'ing all systems over the last few years and have been running things according to GMT time.
I only setup locale on an individual user-base now. That minimizes such legislation non-sense (among other things).
For those of us who live the promised land where GMT is absolute time all the this "UTC" nonsense is of little concern....
Those of you across the water cant even bring yourselves to call it GMT, you have hide behind the label of "UTC", it is GMT, Greenwich Mean Time at Zero Longitude...
Even Microsoft can get this right (see attached)
;-)
(can't wait for the barrage of replies to this one..... tee hee....) ---> Brian, I'm ready: lay it on me.... at least 5 paragraphs please......
Brian T. Brunner wrote:
The laws already exist:
Disturbing the peace, Misappropriation of public funds, Prohibition on unfunded mandates.
What's lacking is prosecutors, judges, and juries who see the politicians as getting in the way of the statesmen and the people.
To drag this back towards On Topic, it seems to me that the ntp folks might be petitioned to write up and submit to the Congress, a paper requesting them to keep their danged hands in one-another's pockets, and leave the clock alone.
albeit not in those precise words...
Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner@gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838
thebs413@earthlink.net 11/07/05 02:50PM >>>
Aleksandar Milivojevic alex@milivojevic.org wrote:
Those darn politicians, there should be a law to put into jail for life any politician who even thinks about proposing any artificial time changes,
While my Libertarian ideals agree with you on the fact that politicians live to legislate, but statemen do not, asking for such jail time for doing such would require yet another law. ;->
Seriously now, GMT everything. I have always GMT'd the RTC -- especially with the common "double jump" that Windows used to pull on me (until they fixed that). But I started GMT'ing all systems over the last few years and have been running things according to GMT time.
I only setup locale on an individual user-base now. That minimizes such legislation non-sense (among other things).
Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
For those of us who live the promised land where GMT is absolute time all the this "UTC" nonsense is of little concern.... Those of you across the water cant even bring yourselves to call it GMT, you have hide behind the label of "UTC", it is GMT, Greenwich Mean Time at Zero Longitude... Even Microsoft can get this right (see attached) ;-) (can't wait for the barrage of replies to this one..... tee hee....)
You wouldn't happen to be a British national now would you? ;->
I could be wrong, but I thought the reason why it is often referred to as "UTC" instead of "GMT" was to make it less "marketing" of the British geography?
I'm sure that also has something to do with the French "Le Meridien" which is recognized in basically that country only.
---> Brian, I'm ready: lay it on me.... at least 5 paragraphs please......
I already used up my quota on my other posts today, so I short-changed you. ;->
"Bryan J. Smith" thebs413@earthlink.net wrote:
I could be wrong, but I thought the reason why it is often referred to as "UTC" instead of "GMT" was to make it less "marketing" of the British geography?
Okay, you want to use UTC for another reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC
And as far as our American involvement in the fiasco of GMT:
http://plus.maths.org/issue9/news/meridian/
I already used up my quota on my other posts today, so I short-changed you. ;->
Okay, now it's about 5 paragraphs total. ;->
Well,
You didn't disappoint too much, the term "UTC" always makes me chuckle, and I always bait my friends across the water by pretending not to know what it is....
The French originally wanted zero Longitude to be through Paris, but they changed in the end....
http://www.fi.edu/time/keepers/frick/res3.htm
I think this actually answers it all.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time
Long live GMT...
P.
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
For those of us who live the promised land where GMT is absolute time all the this "UTC" nonsense is of little concern.... Those of you across the water cant even bring yourselves to call it GMT, you have hide behind the label of "UTC", it is GMT, Greenwich Mean Time at Zero Longitude... Even Microsoft can get this right (see attached) ;-) (can't wait for the barrage of replies to this one..... tee hee....)
You wouldn't happen to be a British national now would you? ;->
I could be wrong, but I thought the reason why it is often referred to as "UTC" instead of "GMT" was to make it less "marketing" of the British geography?
I'm sure that also has something to do with the French "Le Meridien" which is recognized in basically that country only.
---> Brian, I'm ready: lay it on me.... at least 5 paragraphs please......
I already used up my quota on my other posts today, so I short-changed you. ;->
Hold on... its UTC? Darn it, I have been using GMT all this time ... (in the US at that... hope they don't kick me out)
Peter Farrow wrote:
Well,
You didn't disappoint too much, the term "UTC" always makes me chuckle, and I always bait my friends across the water by pretending not to know what it is....
The French originally wanted zero Longitude to be through Paris, but they changed in the end....
http://www.fi.edu/time/keepers/frick/res3.htm
I think this actually answers it all.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time
Long live GMT...
P.
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
For those of us who live the promised land where GMT is absolute time all the this "UTC" nonsense is of little concern.... Those of you across the water cant even bring yourselves to call it GMT, you have hide behind the label of "UTC", it is GMT, Greenwich Mean Time at Zero Longitude... Even Microsoft can get this right (see attached) ;-) (can't wait for the barrage of replies to this one..... tee hee....)
You wouldn't happen to be a British national now would you? ;->
I could be wrong, but I thought the reason why it is often referred to as "UTC" instead of "GMT" was to make it less "marketing" of the British geography?
I'm sure that also has something to do with the French "Le Meridien" which is recognized in basically that country only.
---> Brian, I'm ready: lay it on me.... at least 5 paragraphs please......
I already used up my quota on my other posts today, so I short-changed you. ;->
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Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
Well, You didn't disappoint too much,
I know all about Greenwich v. Paris. ;-> Farrow sounded English, although I'm not up on all of the origins of various surnames in the Greater Commonwealth of the United Kingdom and his territories.
E.g., and unlike most Americans, I don't call everything a "British accent." I want to smack all my fellow Americans who say such to Australians and others. Besides, despite never leaving the US, I pride myself on knowing differences between the main London, southern isle, Welch (oh God do I love women with such enchanting vocals ;-), Scottish and, the one most Americans can't stand, Manchester (although beyond those main ones, I can't tell much difference).
the term "UTC" always makes me chuckle,
Well, there's a more technical reason as I pointed out.
and I always bait my friends across the water by pretending not to know what it is....
Sorry, not that clueless (despite never have left the US, nor seen even half of it).
The French originally wanted zero Longitude to be through Paris, but they changed in the end.... http://www.fi.edu/time/keepers/frick/res3.htm I think this actually answers it all..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time Long live GMT...
Remember, it was our American President that forced the issue. Which begs the question ...
Is it all just results of American rise and influence?
Or the greater British conspiracy spanning a half millenia to father, spurn then support a new nation to further it's agenda and economies using the same language?
Many doubt this theory. But unlike most Americans, I do not miss the subliminal but key fact that at the entrance of the main exhibit of the US National Archives where you can view the Declaration of Indepdenece and US Constitution, the British Magna Carta is prominently displayed as basically the key, pre-requisite document.
And even before the French really got involved in our little, planned rebellon on our side of the world (away from the European theater that was there well before our conflict), we were negotiating a treaty with the British to end it. That led the Spanards to push the French to retaliate to change the original terms of (what would be) the Treaty of Versai to make the Americans a colony of France.
Oh there are so much that Americans know so little about!
Shall I continue? (yes, I know, I will off-list ;-)
Yeah "Farrow" is English, from the south west at that originally..... (Bristol), not too far from Wales, interstingly, the toll bridge to get to Wales is only pay one way, thats to go from England to Wales, I explain this by stating "There is no fee to enter the promised land"...
http://www.severnbridge.co.uk/
I am quite fortunate in having visited many many parts of the US for work and pleasure alike, the most amusing take on my "British Accent" was when I was asked which part of Canada I was from.
I do of course speak what could be referred to as "the Queens english" with a hint of West Country thrown in for good measure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Country_dialects
Although I most definitely do not sound like a pirate.... from the above page
"
The West Country accent is probably most identified in American English </wiki/American_English> as "pirate </wiki/Pirate> speech" -- cartoon-like "Ooh arr, me 'earties! Sploice the mainbrace!" talk is very similar. This may be a result of the strong seafaring </wiki/Seafaring> tradition of the West Country, both legal and outlaw. Edward Teach (Blackbeard </wiki/Blackbeard>) was a native of Bristol, and privateer </wiki/Privateer> and English hero Francis Drake </wiki/Francis_Drake> hailed from Tavistock </wiki/Tavistock> in Devon. "
---my mother-in-law definitely does, in fact my accent is such a non-accent I have actually had jobs reading the news on local BBC radio...- and trust me "you have to be bloody jolly british sounding" to be allowed do that.... ;-)
Another thing that makes me laugh is when Holywood labels places in films as "London, England".... that really is LOL... do you guys really need that?
Given the chance (again) to emigrate and go to the USA, I would of course jump at it, anywhere that has such cheap gas and plentiful supply of V8 power automobiles is truly heaven on earth.
NTSC TV quality will take some getting used to though after BBC PAL & Terrestial RGB Digital Tv here....
P.
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
Well, You didn't disappoint too much,
I know all about Greenwich v. Paris. ;-> Farrow sounded English, although I'm not up on all of the origins of various surnames in the Greater Commonwealth of the United Kingdom and his territories.
E.g., and unlike most Americans, I don't call everything a "British accent." I want to smack all my fellow Americans who say such to Australians and others. Besides, despite never leaving the US, I pride myself on knowing differences between the main London, southern isle, Welch (oh God do I love women with such enchanting vocals ;-), Scottish and, the one most Americans can't stand, Manchester (although beyond those main ones, I can't tell much difference).
the term "UTC" always makes me chuckle,
Well, there's a more technical reason as I pointed out.
and I always bait my friends across the water by pretending not to know what it is....
Sorry, not that clueless (despite never have left the US, nor seen even half of it).
The French originally wanted zero Longitude to be through Paris, but they changed in the end.... http://www.fi.edu/time/keepers/frick/res3.htm I think this actually answers it all..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time Long live GMT...
Remember, it was our American President that forced the issue. Which begs the question ...
Is it all just results of American rise and influence?
Or the greater British conspiracy spanning a half millenia to father, spurn then support a new nation to further it's agenda and economies using the same language?
Many doubt this theory. But unlike most Americans, I do not miss the subliminal but key fact that at the entrance of the main exhibit of the US National Archives where you can view the Declaration of Indepdenece and US Constitution, the British Magna Carta is prominently displayed as basically the key, pre-requisite document.
And even before the French really got involved in our little, planned rebellon on our side of the world (away from the European theater that was there well before our conflict), we were negotiating a treaty with the British to end it. That led the Spanards to push the French to retaliate to change the original terms of (what would be) the Treaty of Versai to make the Americans a colony of France.
Oh there are so much that Americans know so little about!
Shall I continue? (yes, I know, I will off-list ;-)
"She says 'tomato' and I say 'tomahto'.....", etc. But thanks for the email from tomorrow. I was explaining to my favorite great-granddaughter only 33 minutes before your post below about time zones, Daylight Rearranging Time, states that are split, etc., etc., and mentioned that "it's 6 minutes after midnight in London". Her 9 year old mind apparently, until that moment, had not collided with the possibility of someone living tomorrow.
You can bet that I'll be printing this with full headers for her.
Peter Farrow wrote:
Yeah "Farrow" is English, from the south west at that originally..... (Bristol), not too far from Wales, interstingly, the toll bridge to get to Wales is only pay one way, thats to go from England to Wales, I explain this by stating "There is no fee to enter the promised land"...
http://www.severnbridge.co.uk/
I am quite fortunate in having visited many many parts of the US for work and pleasure alike, the most amusing take on my "British Accent" was when I was asked which part of Canada I was from.
I do of course speak what could be referred to as "the Queens english" with a hint of West Country thrown in for good measure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Country_dialects
Although I most definitely do not sound like a pirate.... from the above page
"
The West Country accent is probably most identified in American English </wiki/American_English> as "pirate </wiki/Pirate> speech" -- cartoon-like "Ooh arr, me 'earties! Sploice the mainbrace!" talk is very similar. This may be a result of the strong seafaring </wiki/Seafaring> tradition of the West Country, both legal and outlaw. Edward Teach (Blackbeard </wiki/Blackbeard>) was a native of Bristol, and privateer </wiki/Privateer> and English hero Francis Drake </wiki/Francis_Drake> hailed from Tavistock </wiki/Tavistock> in Devon. "
---my mother-in-law definitely does, in fact my accent is such a non-accent I have actually had jobs reading the news on local BBC radio...- and trust me "you have to be bloody jolly british sounding" to be allowed do that.... ;-)
Another thing that makes me laugh is when Holywood labels places in films as "London, England".... that really is LOL... do you guys really need that?
Given the chance (again) to emigrate and go to the USA, I would of course jump at it, anywhere that has such cheap gas and plentiful supply of V8 power automobiles is truly heaven on earth.
NTSC TV quality will take some getting used to though after BBC PAL & Terrestial RGB Digital Tv here....
P.
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
Well, You didn't disappoint too much,
I know all about Greenwich v. Paris. ;-> Farrow sounded English, although I'm not up on all of the origins of various surnames in the Greater Commonwealth of the United Kingdom and his territories.
E.g., and unlike most Americans, I don't call everything a "British accent." I want to smack all my fellow Americans who say such to Australians and others. Besides, despite never leaving the US, I pride myself on knowing differences between the main London, southern isle, Welch (oh God do I love women with such enchanting vocals ;-), Scottish and, the one most Americans can't stand, Manchester (although beyond those main ones, I can't tell much difference).
the term "UTC" always makes me chuckle,
Well, there's a more technical reason as I pointed out.
and I always bait my friends across the water by pretending not to know what it is....
Sorry, not that clueless (despite never have left the US, nor seen even half of it).
The French originally wanted zero Longitude to be through Paris, but they changed in the end.... http://www.fi.edu/time/keepers/frick/res3.htm I think this actually answers it all..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time Long live GMT...
Remember, it was our American President that forced the issue. Which begs the question ...
Is it all just results of American rise and influence?
Or the greater British conspiracy spanning a half millenia to father, spurn then support a new nation to further it's agenda and economies using the same language?
Many doubt this theory. But unlike most Americans, I do not miss the subliminal but key fact that at the entrance of the main exhibit of the US National Archives where you can view the Declaration of Indepdenece and US Constitution, the British Magna Carta is prominently displayed as basically the key, pre-requisite document.
And even before the French really got involved in our little, planned rebellon on our side of the world (away from the European theater that was there well before our conflict), we were negotiating a treaty with the British to end it. That led the Spanards to push the French to retaliate to change the original terms of (what would be) the Treaty of Versai to make the Americans a colony of France.
Oh there are so much that Americans know so little about!
Shall I continue? (yes, I know, I will off-list ;-)
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Robert wrote:
"She says 'tomato' and I say 'tomahto'.....", etc. But thanks for the email from tomorrow. I was explaining to my favorite great-granddaughter only 33 minutes before your post below about time zones, Daylight Rearranging Time, states that are split, etc., etc., and mentioned that "it's 6 minutes after midnight in London". Her 9 year old mind apparently, until that moment, had not collided with the possibility of someone living tomorrow.
You can bet that I'll be printing this with full headers for her.
Peter Farrow wrote:
Yeah "Farrow" is English, from the south west at that originally..... (Bristol), not too far from Wales, interstingly, the toll bridge to get to Wales is only pay one way, thats to go from England to Wales, I explain this by stating "There is no fee to enter the promised land"...
http://www.severnbridge.co.uk/
I am quite fortunate in having visited many many parts of the US for work and pleasure alike, the most amusing take on my "British Accent" was when I was asked which part of Canada I was from.
I do of course speak what could be referred to as "the Queens english" with a hint of West Country thrown in for good measure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Country_dialects
Although I most definitely do not sound like a pirate.... from the above page
"
The West Country accent is probably most identified in American English </wiki/American_English> as "pirate </wiki/Pirate> speech" — cartoon-like "Ooh arr, me 'earties! Sploice the mainbrace!" talk is very similar. This may be a result of the strong seafaring </wiki/Seafaring> tradition of the West Country, both legal and outlaw. Edward Teach (Blackbeard </wiki/Blackbeard>) was a native of Bristol, and privateer </wiki/Privateer> and English hero Francis Drake </wiki/Francis_Drake> hailed from Tavistock </wiki/Tavistock> in Devon. "
---my mother-in-law definitely does, in fact my accent is such a non-accent I have actually had jobs reading the news on local BBC radio...- and trust me "you have to be bloody jolly british sounding" to be allowed do that.... ;-)
Another thing that makes me laugh is when Holywood labels places in films as "London, England".... that really is LOL... do you guys really need that?
Given the chance (again) to emigrate and go to the USA, I would of course jump at it, anywhere that has such cheap gas and plentiful supply of V8 power automobiles is truly heaven on earth.
NTSC TV quality will take some getting used to though after BBC PAL & Terrestial RGB Digital Tv here....
P.
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
Well, You didn't disappoint too much,
I know all about Greenwich v. Paris. ;-> Farrow sounded English, although I'm not up on all of the origins of various surnames in the Greater Commonwealth of the United Kingdom and his territories.
E.g., and unlike most Americans, I don't call everything a "British accent." I want to smack all my fellow Americans who say such to Australians and others. Besides, despite never leaving the US, I pride myself on knowing differences between the main London, southern isle, Welch (oh God do I love women with such enchanting vocals ;-), Scottish and, the one most Americans can't stand, Manchester (although beyond those main ones, I can't tell much difference).
the term "UTC" always makes me chuckle,
Well, there's a more technical reason as I pointed out.
and I always bait my friends across the water by pretending not to know what it is....
Sorry, not that clueless (despite never have left the US, nor seen even half of it).
The French originally wanted zero Longitude to be through Paris, but they changed in the end.... http://www.fi.edu/time/keepers/frick/res3.htm I think this actually answers it all..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time Long live GMT...
Remember, it was our American President that forced the issue. Which begs the question ...
Is it all just results of American rise and influence?
Or the greater British conspiracy spanning a half millenia to father, spurn then support a new nation to further it's agenda and economies using the same language?
Many doubt this theory. But unlike most Americans, I do not miss the subliminal but key fact that at the entrance of the main exhibit of the US National Archives where you can view the Declaration of Indepdenece and US Constitution, the British Magna Carta is prominently displayed as basically the key, pre-requisite document.
And even before the French really got involved in our little, planned rebellon on our side of the world (away from the European theater that was there well before our conflict), we were negotiating a treaty with the British to end it. That led the Spanards to push the French to retaliate to change the original terms of (what would be) the Treaty of Versai to make the Americans a colony of France.
Oh there are so much that Americans know so little about!
Shall I continue? (yes, I know, I will off-list ;-)
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Peter Farrow wrote:
For those of us who live the promised land where GMT is absolute time all the this "UTC" nonsense is of little concern....
Those of you across the water cant even bring yourselves to call it GMT, you have hide behind the label of "UTC", it is GMT, Greenwich Mean Time at Zero Longitude...
<snip>
How about Zulu time :-) That still works for me, and everybody else who has had dealings with the armed forces or U.S. Gov't (aside the politicians)
I had a clock with Zulu time on it in my office at the MoD,
P.
Sam Drinkard wrote:
Peter Farrow wrote:
For those of us who live the promised land where GMT is absolute time all the this "UTC" nonsense is of little concern....
Those of you across the water cant even bring yourselves to call it GMT, you have hide behind the label of "UTC", it is GMT, Greenwich Mean Time at Zero Longitude...
<snip>
How about Zulu time :-) That still works for me, and everybody else who has had dealings with the armed forces or U.S. Gov't (aside the politicians)
[ I'm so wrong for continuing this ... ]
Sam Drinkard sam@wa4phy.net wrote:
How about Zulu time :-) That still works for me, and everybody else who has had dealings with the armed forces or U.S. Gov't (aside the politicians)
The US military is completely different than US legislative, executive and other civilian leadership, contractors and support. Anyone who knows the first thing about the US knows this. It's a complete irony of how the US operates. God knows we have the most inefficient configuration of any modern Democratic-Republic -- most other nations choose their executive from the ruling legislative party. We have not in the majority of our years (2002+ has been one of the rare exceptions in our history). Our founding fathers did this for a reason, purposely preventing many things -- the checks'n balances continue through today (and they are quite alive and well, even if one party gains control for awhile, it changes back, things can be repealed that aren't desired, etc...).
The US military is lean, mean and efficient. Everything the US military is allowed to do is precise and effective, in the context of its abilities. Compare any civilian contractor or R&D design to any invention the military has come up with directly (the F-15 v. F-4 comes to mind, let alone the fixed wing Gunship, just in the last half century). From military specifications after interpretation by civilian contractors to civilian interpretation of military situations, the best way to really screw things up is to introduce the non-sense. Anything designed directly by the military -- with no oversight, no review, no non-sense, just damn works efficiently.
Of course, to keep the US from becoming a 2-bit military dictatorship, the US military answers to its civilians who are elected by its people. And that's where all the non-sense comes in. In fact, one would say it's the natural law of the US entity -- because if our military wanted to take over our nation, it would be no contest. Thank God every American officer knows that there is a reason why they will always obey the civilian leadership, without question, without comment.
And they will expense everything -- beyond just their life, but even their name -- to ensure they never cross that line.
Don't confuse those who make the least money, and have the least benefits, to the ones that complain about not getting enough money, and getting the most benefits (so-called public servants ;-).
-- Bryan "clearly an opinionated US Libertarian" Smith
P.S. These statements are in regard to the entire US history. Do not infere them to be made solely towards the current US leadership in any branch. Quite the opposite, it's our history.
Go for it Bryan, ... imagine the crowds cheering as you beat the keyboard....
The cheerleaders screaming, and waving pom poms, the stars and strips waving amongst the huge crowds of admirers.... oh my god is that the time.....
:-P
P.
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
[ I'm so wrong for continuing this ... ]
Sam Drinkard sam@wa4phy.net wrote:
How about Zulu time :-) That still works for me, and everybody else who has had dealings with the armed forces or U.S. Gov't (aside the politicians)
The US military is completely different than US legislative, executive and other civilian leadership, contractors and support. Anyone who knows the first thing about the US knows this. It's a complete irony of how the US operates. God knows we have the most inefficient configuration of any modern Democratic-Republic -- most other nations choose their executive from the ruling legislative party. We have not in the majority of our years (2002+ has been one of the rare exceptions in our history). Our founding fathers did this for a reason, purposely preventing many things -- the checks'n balances continue through today (and they are quite alive and well, even if one party gains control for awhile, it changes back, things can be repealed that aren't desired, etc...).
The US military is lean, mean and efficient. Everything the US military is allowed to do is precise and effective, in the context of its abilities. Compare any civilian contractor or R&D design to any invention the military has come up with directly (the F-15 v. F-4 comes to mind, let alone the fixed wing Gunship, just in the last half century). From military specifications after interpretation by civilian contractors to civilian interpretation of military situations, the best way to really screw things up is to introduce the non-sense. Anything designed directly by the military -- with no oversight, no review, no non-sense, just damn works efficiently.
Of course, to keep the US from becoming a 2-bit military dictatorship, the US military answers to its civilians who are elected by its people. And that's where all the non-sense comes in. In fact, one would say it's the natural law of the US entity -- because if our military wanted to take over our nation, it would be no contest. Thank God every American officer knows that there is a reason why they will always obey the civilian leadership, without question, without comment.
And they will expense everything -- beyond just their life, but even their name -- to ensure they never cross that line.
Don't confuse those who make the least money, and have the least benefits, to the ones that complain about not getting enough money, and getting the most benefits (so-called public servants ;-).
-- Bryan "clearly an opinionated US Libertarian" Smith
P.S. These statements are in regard to the entire US history. Do not infere them to be made solely towards the current US leadership in any branch. Quite the opposite, it's our history.
On 11/7/05, Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote:
For those of us who live the promised land where GMT is absolute time all the this "UTC" nonsense is of little concern....
Those of you across the water cant even bring yourselves to call it GMT, you have hide behind the label of "UTC", it is GMT, Greenwich Mean Time at Zero Longitude...
Even Microsoft can get this right (see attached)
;-)
(can't wait for the barrage of replies to this one..... tee hee....) ---> Brian, I'm ready: lay it on me.... at least 5 paragraphs please......
Whatever the "reasoning," I'm sure those who prefer UTC over GMT (the real thing) have much in common with those who feel compelled to transmogrify BC (Before Christ) into BCE (Before the Common Era). Blyeach!
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