On Tue, November 11, 2014 19:33, Igor Zubkov wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Alexander Farber wrote:
Dear James,
everyday I look into my Gmail SPAM folder and your mails (sent to Centos list) are there. Noone else is there but you.
Please finally fix your MX records or whatever is needed. No offence
I bit a tired of this too.
James, be the Man and fix your mail server. Or what else.
Greetings from Germany Alex
Greetins from Ukraine (Donetsk).
But, the mail server is not broken. It is entirely to RFC specifications. Google decides how to treat the resulting confusion respecting mail forwarded by the CentOS list. Yahoo I understand simply drops it into the bit bucket and the recipient never knows.
Your complaint would be better directed at the consortium of Email providers, including Google and Yahoo, who forced DMARC on the IETF; or rather entirely by-passed the IETF and put this Rube Goldberg hack into play regardless. The people who run mailing lists screamed blue murder but it happened nonetheless.
In any case the fix to this for Mailman already exists. It just needs to be accepted by RedHat and rolled out as an update. I tried to build it myself and succeeded in getting a working version on CentOS6. But, the source package layout does not fit the HFS used by RedHat and I could not deploy it for that reason. Nor could I figure out the patches necessary to restructure the project layout into something resembling HFS. Nor could I figure out the interim changes between the current Mailman version and that shipped with CentOS to back-port the fixes in a systematic way.
I apologise for the number of messages presently originating from me. This one included. Once I get past my ignorance with CentOS7 and can manage on my own I will stop annoying the list with questions and replies.
On Wed, November 12, 2014 8:50 am, James B. Byrne wrote:
On Tue, November 11, 2014 19:33, Igor Zubkov wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Alexander Farber wrote:
Dear James,
everyday I look into my Gmail SPAM folder and your mails (sent to Centos list) are there. Noone else is there but you.
Please finally fix your MX records or whatever is needed. No offence
I bit a tired of this too.
James, be the Man and fix your mail server. Or what else.
Greetings from Germany Alex
Greetins from Ukraine (Donetsk).
As I said, James, don't argue with the ones who have no idea what they are talking about (sorry for posting above your reply to him). This particular one did set me off, and the only thing that held me from answering him was the "wisdom" I mentioned in another reply.
Valeri
But, the mail server is not broken. It is entirely to RFC specifications. Google decides how to treat the resulting confusion respecting mail forwarded by the CentOS list. Yahoo I understand simply drops it into the bit bucket and the recipient never knows.
Your complaint would be better directed at the consortium of Email providers, including Google and Yahoo, who forced DMARC on the IETF; or rather entirely by-passed the IETF and put this Rube Goldberg hack into play regardless. The people who run mailing lists screamed blue murder but it happened nonetheless.
In any case the fix to this for Mailman already exists. It just needs to be accepted by RedHat and rolled out as an update. I tried to build it myself and succeeded in getting a working version on CentOS6. But, the source package layout does not fit the HFS used by RedHat and I could not deploy it for that reason. Nor could I figure out the patches necessary to restructure the project layout into something resembling HFS. Nor could I figure out the interim changes between the current Mailman version and that shipped with CentOS to back-port the fixes in a systematic way.
I apologise for the number of messages presently originating from me. This one included. Once I get past my ignorance with CentOS7 and can manage on my own I will stop annoying the list with questions and replies.
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:50 AM, James B. Byrne byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
But, the mail server is not broken. It is entirely to RFC specifications. Google decides how to treat the resulting confusion respecting mail forwarded by the CentOS list. Yahoo I understand simply drops it into the bit bucket and the recipient never knows.
Your complaint would be better directed at the consortium of Email providers, including Google and Yahoo, who forced DMARC on the IETF; or rather entirely by-passed the IETF and put this Rube Goldberg hack into play regardless. The people who run mailing lists screamed blue murder but it happened nonetheless.
If this is something caused by google and not your own server settings that indicate how to treat forwarders, why doesn't email originating from gmail have the same issue?
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:50 AM, James B. Byrne byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
But, the mail server is not broken. It is entirely to RFC
specifications.
Google decides how to treat the resulting confusion respecting mail
forwarded
by the CentOS list. Yahoo I understand simply drops it into the bit
bucket and
the recipient never knows.
Your complaint would be better directed at the consortium of Email
providers,
including Google and Yahoo, who forced DMARC on the IETF; or rather
entirely
by-passed the IETF and put this Rube Goldberg hack into play
regardless. The
people who run mailing lists screamed blue murder but it happened
nonetheless.
If this is something caused by google and not your own server settings that indicate how to treat forwarders, why doesn't email originating from gmail have the same issue?
-- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I guess the upside to all these .... feedback is I learnt something about standards, and how futile they can be sometimes.
Yeah we've followed the RFCs, yes there's DMARC serving its own purposes, yes there's some mangling and yes there's a fix for it, but if the main party (RH in this case) refuses to budge, shit remains broken. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone but I'm not surprised why we haven't colonised mars yet.
I personally find it annoying that James is getting stuffed into spam box _all_ the time, but with all these explanations I've gotten I think I got the better end of the bargain.
John
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