Has anyone got the docx plugin for OpenOffice 2 running in CentOS?
I have tried using the OpenOffice.org rpms and the ones in CentOS, but the plugin does not seem to work.
To get it working I extracted the rpm from Novell, then copied the files to the registry/ folders and the Odfconverter to the program/ folder, but I can't get any ooxml files open at all, it gives me an error about the file being invalid and having to recover, but all that the recovery gets is an empty file.
I have tried with the official RPMs versions 2.0 and 2.2 and the CentOS RPMs for 2.0. I have also tried hardcoding the path to where the files are, instead of using a relative path, but to no avail.
The same procedure works perfectly with Ubuntu 7.04.
Any suggestions?
(My apologies if the question has already been answered, I could not find it in my email using the search in Yahoo mail).
Thanks
Gabriel
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first last wrote:
Has anyone got the docx plugin for OpenOffice 2 running in CentOS?
Is that the new Microsoft format? Support for that is planned in OpenOffice version 3, afaik. You should ask the creators of the X-formats (x-files? hehe) .docx, .xlsx etc save in an earlier format and send to you.
//Morten
Is that the new Microsoft format? Support for that is planned in OpenOffice version 3, afaik. You should ask the creators of the X-formats (x-files? hehe) .docx, .xlsx etc save in an earlier format and send to you.
Unfortunately, it's not that easy. At work we run an application that reads and convertes MS Office documents via OpenOffice.
By the way, telling your clients to upload again in a different format is never an option, especially if the files are generated from automated systems. They will just choose a different provider that doesn't required them to make changes to their existing systems.
I am asking because there is a plugin from Novell that works with other versions of OpenOffice/Linux (Ubuntu and Suse) but we use CentOS/RHEL, so I need to get that version running.
Gabriel
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:03:54 +0100 (BST) first last prelude_2_murder@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
By the way, telling your clients to upload again in a different format is never an option, especially if the files are generated from automated systems. They will just choose a different provider that doesn't required them to make changes to their existing systems.
They already changed their existing systems, as Microsoft Word 200-whatever that creates these docx files didn't exist until a few months ago.
Perhaps it would help if you pointed out to them that the Open Document Format is an ISO standard for document storage and exchange, and suggest that they use that instead.
I have never had that kind of a problem when people come to me for solutions: "You want to do X, therefore you require Y. Get Y." They do so, and things move along from there.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:45:56 -0600 Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
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Perhaps it would help if you pointed out to them that the Open Document Format is an ISO standard for document storage and exchange, and suggest that they use that instead.
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Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
Since Windows is about 90% of all the computers we have to adapt to them.
From my headers you can see that I am an everyday user of Linux, I also have a couple of CentOS boxes.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:54:26 -0700 centos@911networks.com wrote:
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
What problem? A standard file format is just that: standard.
If you choose to use non-standard, proprietary, locked-in programs and file formats, you get to deal with the problems that come along doing that.
Since Windows is about 90% of all the computers we have to adapt to them.
Er, no. "If all of your friends were jumping off of a cliff, would you jump off too?"
Many people switch to using Linux after they get tired of the crap that goes along with trying to get things done with Windows. I don't see that as a sign that there is anything in need of fixing.
If you want it to work "just like Windows", use Windows. Many people are running as fast as they can to escape that, though.
on 10/18/2007 12:03 PM Frank Cox spake the following:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:54:26 -0700 centos@911networks.com wrote:
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
What problem? A standard file format is just that: standard.
If you choose to use non-standard, proprietary, locked-in programs and file formats, you get to deal with the problems that come along doing that.
Since Windows is about 90% of all the computers we have to adapt to them.
Er, no. "If all of your friends were jumping off of a cliff, would you jump off too?"
No.. But I would still like to get an invitation so I can be there to hear their screams! ;-P
Many people switch to using Linux after they get tired of the crap that goes along with trying to get things done with Windows. I don't see that as a sign that there is anything in need of fixing.
Microsoft makes proprietary standards because they are the 800 pound gorilla of the PC world. Until the world finally puts Microsoft behind them, you have to deal with inter-operability with your peers. And when you are trying to persuade a business to part with their hard earned dollars to deal with your business, asking them to change to suit you will not fly very far. You can have principles, or you can have income.
If you want it to work "just like Windows", use Windows. Many people are running as fast as they can to escape that, though.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:43:54 -0700 Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
And when you are trying to persuade a business to part with their hard earned dollars to deal with your business, asking them to change to suit you will not fly very far.
If they have a problem that they want solved and you're the guy who can solve it, you might be surprised.
You can have principles, or you can have income.
Linux isn't just a "principle". It is the most efficient and cost effective way to solve problems and implement solutions in a great many situations. That's not principle. That's getting the job done.
on 10/18/2007 12:52 PM Frank Cox spake the following:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:43:54 -0700 Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
And when you are trying to persuade a business to part with their hard earned dollars to deal with your business, asking them to change to suit you will not fly very far.
If they have a problem that they want solved and you're the guy who can solve it, you might be surprised.
You can have principles, or you can have income.
Linux isn't just a "principle". It is the most efficient and cost effective way to solve problems and implement solutions in a great many situations. That's not principle. That's getting the job done.
Don't get me wrong. I love Linux and think everybody should be using it. But since many of the people I have to work with don't use it, and have no clue or desire to use it, I have to be able to "swing both ways". Someday maybe Microsoft will be in the history books like Wang and CDC.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007, Scott Silva wrote:
on 10/18/2007 12:03 PM Frank Cox spake the following:
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Many people switch to using Linux after they get tired of the crap that goes along with trying to get things done with Windows. I don't see that as a sign that there is anything in need of fixing.
Microsoft makes proprietary standards because they are the 800 pound gorilla of the PC world. Until the world finally puts Microsoft behind them, you have to deal with inter-operability with your peers. And when you are trying to persuade a business to part with their hard earned dollars to deal with your business, asking them to change to suit you will not fly very far.
Microsoft is having *SERIOUS* problems in the EU now, in no small part due to the efforts of Andrew Tridgell and other members of the Samba team who have testified at length regarding Microsoft's practices.
Microsoft also attempted to pack the international committee with their Partners in their attempt to get their proprietary XML Office formats accepted as a Standard. These attempts have failed so far.
You can have principles, or you can have income.
You can have income and principles (although I have a hard time explaining to my wife why I would never work for Microsoft :-).
I could make a lot more income if I were willing to work cleaning up after Windows machines.
I do have a fair number of people who have been using OpenOffice on Linux machines since the days it was StarOffice, before Sun bought them. My poster child for this is a 65+ psychologist who is also very active in local politics. She handles hundreds of Microsoft Office files a week using OpenOffice.org software, and loves to tell her friends how solid her system is and that she doesn't have to worry about worms and virii.
On the other hand, I have been recommending that most people use OS X for their desktop applications for the last five years or so as it Just Works(TM) without hassles, OpenOffice.org works fine, and they can get Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac if they feel compelled to do so.
Before I got a Mac Mini for my own desktop almost four years ago, I would have to use Windows once a year for TurboTax, but that is available for the Mac. Two years ago I gave my wife a Mac Mini to replace her Win98 machine so she no longer has to listen to me piss, moan, and cuss whenever I have to deal with Windows. On her Windows machine, I exported here C drive, read-only, and mounted it on the Mac so she could get to her old data, but not write it back to the Windows machine.
We still use Linux for all of our servers, and will for the foreseeable future, but I find the Macs more suitable for the average desktop user who doen't care about what's under the hood.
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On 10/18/07, centos@911networks.com centos@911networks.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:45:56 -0600 Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
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Perhaps it would help if you pointed out to them that the Open Document Format is an ISO standard for document storage and exchange, and suggest that they use that instead.
...
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
Since Windows is about 90% of all the computers we have to adapt to them.
From my headers you can see that I am an everyday user of Linux, I also have a couple of CentOS boxes.
I smell smoke.
Couldn't agree more! The point of computer systems are to get work done, not to uphold some idealistic point of view. Obviously, this being the CentOS list, we all enjoy the benefits of open source, and also support it. However, one of the main tenants of open source is freedom. I always find it interesting that many in the community take "freedom" to mean "do whatever you want as long as it's the same way I do it".
The market chooses what the standards are, even in OSS. The market has spoken on MS Word and that is reality. It would be nice if you could alter reality the same way you can alter your comfy little universe inside the computer, but you can't. Thinking otherwise lowers you to the same level as MS, that is, "if you don't want to use our format and our software, then go home."
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Brian Mathis wrote:
On 10/18/07, centos@911networks.com centos@911networks.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:45:56 -0600 Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
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Perhaps it would help if you pointed out to them that the Open Document Format is an ISO standard for document storage and exchange, and suggest that they use that instead.
...
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
Since Windows is about 90% of all the computers we have to adapt to them.
From my headers you can see that I am an everyday user of Linux, I also have a couple of CentOS boxes.
I smell smoke.
Couldn't agree more! The point of computer systems are to get work done, not to uphold some idealistic point of view. Obviously, this being the CentOS list, we all enjoy the benefits of open source, and also support it. However, one of the main tenants of open source is freedom. I always find it interesting that many in the community take "freedom" to mean "do whatever you want as long as it's the same way I do it".
Freedom does not mean that people for free accomodate things to *your* advantage (in case you need DOCX support).
Freedom means you are free to implement and contribute it. It means you can make a change if you want to.
If you have the problem that you do not want to implement or contribute anything, then yes, you have to abide by the rules from people that do.
I don't know what you expected from the freedom of Open Source, but it sure as hell does not mean that you can demand anything from people that have a diferent ideology than you. I don't call that freedom, I call that arrogance.
Sorry for the strong words, but you needed that.
The market chooses what the standards are, even in OSS. The market has spoken on MS Word and that is reality. It would be nice if you could alter reality the same way you can alter your comfy little universe inside the computer, but you can't. Thinking otherwise lowers you to the same level as MS, that is, "if you don't want to use our format and our software, then go home."
The market did not choose for DOCX. The market is subverted into DOCX. If anything, the market chose for MS Word 95 maybe (it was more convenient because it integrated better with MS Windows and you got a lower price if you bought both) and are sucked into Microsoft's upgrade path (that mostly benefits Microsoft, not the market).
I guess you know what the downsides of monopolies are ? That customers have no choice, that prices are too high and the monopolists have a free play. It means there is no free market, no competition.
Open Office, since recently creates a free market, a free market that undermines Microsoft monopoly because apparently the only way to break a monopoly is by the justice system, and the US justice system failed the public and the free market.
So don't bring your false rethoric on this list. Microsoft did not earn this position, they bought out the system illegaly. And even when we have to live with the current situation, at least the ideologists are doing something about it. (creating alternatives instead of helping a monopolist)
What have you done lately ?
centos@911networks.com wrote:
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
It is not only a problem for Linux users. Office 2003/XP/2000 etc can not read these files either. I know many Windows only shops who are pretty annoyed with the upgrade churn Microsoft force on them.
//Morten
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Morten Torstensen wrote:
centos@911networks.com wrote:
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
It is not only a problem for Linux users. Office 2003/XP/2000 etc can not read these files either. I know many Windows only shops who are pretty annoyed with the upgrade churn Microsoft force on them.
It's a decade-old problem. MS Office 97 altered the binary .doc format in ways unreadable by Office 95. Word 97 claimed it could save in 95's format, but in reality all it did was write an RTF file. RTF isn't nearly as capable as .doc, so anything other than extremely basic formatting instructions were lost in the translation.
Only prolonged customer screaming led MS to offer true backward-compatible binary filters for Office 97 -- and even then it was never advertised. You had to know exactly what you were seeking to find it buried in the bowels of microsoft.com.
Just get it out of your head that Microsoft's true customers are those who purchase MS products. Its true customers are the folks who own MS stock.
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 11:54 -0700, centos@911networks.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:45:56 -0600 Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
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Perhaps it would help if you pointed out to them that the Open Document Format is an ISO standard for document storage and exchange, and suggest that they use that instead.
...
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
Well there are some fortune 500 companies like the automotive ones that won't take office 2007 file formats and will not so kindly tell suppliers to save in Office 2003 format.
I imagine there are 100s of millions of users using previous versions of office and can't read .docx without extra work ... why should a small handful push the rest of the world around??
Since Windows is about 90% of all the computers we have to adapt to them.
Actually Office 2000/XP is probably the defacto standard if you are dealing with large companies. The only reason Office 2007 has a perception of being a standard over OpenOffice.org who probably has a larger installed base is because of the "M" word in front of Office.
Microsoft is pushing the issue making it impossible to buy office 2003 unless you buy volume licenses because it is specifically forbidden to downgrade Office 2007 to Office 2003 or prior version.
People need to push back and not just accept everything.
Regards, Paul Berger
on 10/18/2007 5:08 PM Paul spake the following:
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 11:54 -0700, centos@911networks.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:45:56 -0600 Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
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Perhaps it would help if you pointed out to them that the Open Document Format is an ISO standard for document storage and exchange, and suggest that they use that instead.
...
Here is the basic problem with Linux! Over 1 million office 2007 users and they have to change their software because it does not conform to the "standard".
Well there are some fortune 500 companies like the automotive ones that won't take office 2007 file formats and will not so kindly tell suppliers to save in Office 2003 format.
I imagine there are 100s of millions of users using previous versions of office and can't read .docx without extra work ... why should a small handful push the rest of the world around??
Since Windows is about 90% of all the computers we have to adapt to them.
Actually Office 2000/XP is probably the defacto standard if you are dealing with large companies. The only reason Office 2007 has a perception of being a standard over OpenOffice.org who probably has a larger installed base is because of the "M" word in front of Office.
Microsoft is pushing the issue making it impossible to buy office 2003 unless you buy volume licenses because it is specifically forbidden to downgrade Office 2007 to Office 2003 or prior version.
People need to push back and not just accept everything.
Regards, Paul Berger
The big problem is when you install Office 2007 the default save format is docx. And if you set to to the older versions you get a warning dialog that you will lose features, become impotent and bald, etc...
Scott Silva wrote:
The big problem is when you install Office 2007 the default save format is docx. And if you set to to the older versions you get a warning dialog that you will lose features, become impotent and bald, etc...
As a reference for this thread, check this:
http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/
MS Office can now support ODF. Since many more people use OpenOffice than Office 2007, clearly this is the way to go <bg>
//Morten
on 10/19/2007 12:43 AM Morten Torstensen spake the following:
Scott Silva wrote:
The big problem is when you install Office 2007 the default save format is docx. And if you set to to the older versions you get a warning dialog that you will lose features, become impotent and bald, etc...
As a reference for this thread, check this:
http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/
MS Office can now support ODF. Since many more people use OpenOffice than Office 2007, clearly this is the way to go <bg>
//Morten
See how Sun helps Office share, but does Microsoft help OpenOffice do the same? I'm sure someone will reverse engineer the docx formats, and it will work until Office 2011 comes out! ;-P
On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 15:02 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
on 10/19/2007 12:43 AM Morten Torstensen spake the following:
Scott Silva wrote:
The big problem is when you install Office 2007 the default save format is docx. And if you set to to the older versions you get a warning dialog that you will lose features, become impotent and bald, etc...
As a reference for this thread, check this:
http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/
MS Office can now support ODF. Since many more people use OpenOffice than Office 2007, clearly this is the way to go <bg>
//Morten
See how Sun helps Office share, but does Microsoft help OpenOffice do the same? I'm sure someone will reverse engineer the docx formats, and it will work until Office 2011 comes out! ;-P
---- well, in theory Microsoft Office XML is published and no reverse engineering is necessary.
in reality, it's several thousand pages, not available on Linux and still has some undocumented legacy code buried within. I don't know if their 'Royalty Free License' restricts the usage in conjunction with GPL software but I think OOo is not GPL.
As for Office 2011...Office and Windows are their cash cows and their revenue needs dictate what they do.
In reality, they really needed to move off their old, undocumented formats into an XML based format.
My collection of notes on MS XML...
A plugin for Microsoft Office users (Windows) so that they can open/save ODF (Open Document Format) files... http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/
Something a bit simpler...a viewer application for any OS... http://www.opendocumentfellowship.com/odfviewer
Download page for Microsoft Office Compatibility Pack for older versions of Microsoft Office http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=941b3470-3ae9-4aee-...
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