-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Alfred von Campe Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:42 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 card on CentOS 4.X?
Anyone have the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 card running on CentOS 4.X? What about MythTV? One of my users asked me today to upgrade the kernel on his CentOS 4.4 system today as he claims that this card will only work on recent kernels (2.6.16 or newer). I haven't found any documentation to support this (the Linux page on the Hauppauge web site is hopelessly out of date; it mentions the 2.2 kernel and Red Hat 6.2!).
We are working on some video products, so this card is actually a business requirement. I know that upgrading the kernel on a CentOS system defeats the main goal of stability of an enterprise OS, so if that's the only way to get this card to work, I may have to move to Fedora Core 6.
Alfred _______________________________________________
In the end, the main goal of computing is get the job done. In the early days of Linux, the great thing about Linux was that you COULD customize it to make do whatever you wanted. Then RHEL came along, and RH spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt about using Linux this way...
If you need to make the card work, go ahead and customize the kernel. If you're a professional system admin, your job is to make things work. A few crashes here and there are better then employess who can't get the job done at all. If stability is the issue, using CentOS is much better than FC6 (or any other FC). FC is meant to be bleeding edge, and not stable.
Thats my 3 cents.
Prentice
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On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Bisbal, Prentice wrote:
you're a professional system admin, your job is to make things work. A few crashes here and there are better then employess who can't get the job done at all. If stability is the issue, using CentOS is much better
well, yes, unless the requirements of the job are such that "a few crashes here and there"(!!) are unacceptable. :)
does anyone know if the centosplus kernel supports this particular TV card? if not, you might want to request its inclusion; that might provide you with a somewhat less painful solution than maintaining your own custom kernel.
-steve
-- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 10:10 -0400, Steve Huff wrote:
On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Bisbal, Prentice wrote:
you're a professional system admin, your job is to make things work. A few crashes here and there are better then employess who can't get the job done at all. If stability is the issue, using CentOS is much better
well, yes, unless the requirements of the job are such that "a few crashes here and there"(!!) are unacceptable. :)
does anyone know if the centosplus kernel supports this particular TV card? if not, you might want to request its inclusion; that might provide you with a somewhat less painful solution than maintaining your own custom kernel.
I don't know if the CentOSPlus kernel works with that specific card, I do know that the CentOSPlus kernel has the Video4Linux stuff turned on and all the cards that are supported in the 2.6.9 kernel are turned on.
Thanks for all the responses. After reading them all, I will try out the CentOSPlus kernel first. If that doesn't work, then I will probably install FC6 on one or maybe even all of the developer's desktops (well, the ones that are working with video anyway). We are not going to use MythTV itself (we might paly with it, though), but write our own software to do stuff with the video stream (I'm not a developer, so I don't know all the details yet).
Thanks again, Alfred
Am Freitag, 27. Oktober 2006 17:51 schrieb Alfred von Campe:
Thanks for all the responses. After reading them all, I will try out the CentOSPlus kernel first. If that doesn't work, then I will probably install FC6 on one or maybe even all of the developer's desktops (well, the ones that are working with video anyway). We are not going to use MythTV itself (we might paly with it, though), but write our own software to do stuff with the video stream (I'm not a developer, so I don't know all the details yet).
Just to add my 2 Eurocents:
We are running CentOS here on the server and Fedora Core on the Desktops for software development. It's actually not a bad combination. Fedora Core is generally a great distribution. It is kind of a moving target with all the updates that are flowing in constantly. Sometimes you have to play around with the settings on your desktop, because application XY was upgraded to a newer version that behaves slightly different. However the underlying system itself is generally rock stable.
I generally would not recommend Fedora on a server. But for a developer workstation always having the bleeding edge stuff can even be an advantage. Expecially when it comes to multimedia.
regards, Andreas Micklei
P.s. I also had Fedora on some of our servers. Also works nice, but keeping them up to date can be really tiresome. CentOS makes life so much easier in this case. :-)
I have a PVR-150 using IVTV without issue. The kernel module was a bit fun but it seems ATRPM did have compatable packages that worked ok but need to be careful on future kernel updates due to this added dependence now though.
Even the fedora howto for MythTV suggest using the rpms for ease of setup. I was unable to use myth-suite from ATRPMs due to a lib dependency issue in centos. Had to manually install the myth related rpms and avoid myth-gallery because it caused dependency issues with Centos 4.4
http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php http://atrpms.net/dist/el4/ivtv/
Linux shuttle 2.6.9-42.0.2.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Aug 23 00:17:26 CDT 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
Seems I probably missed the newer ivtv rpms for the newer kernel in centos but it works for now. (Home LAN firewalled etc)
Didn't want to run a seperate distro here and work but could have. Bit harder to get compat RPMs for this type of things for EL4 due to version differences etc but so far so good.
-- William
The PVR-350 (ivtv) implementation is bleeding edge and has more of a place in Fedora Core, which oddly enough is where it works. If the client needs to use hardware that is not in the HCL ( https://hardware.redhat.com/hwcert/index.cgi is one site with such an ACL :) ) they need to understand that it has the potential to reduce the reliability of the system and support for such hardware is best effort.
I'd be more willing to setup a dedicated MytTV backend server for the PVR-350 using Fedora Core 5 (about as hard as adding a yum repo and typing 'yum install mythtv-suite' http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php). The front end could be installed on any CentOS box with out much trouble ('yum install mythtv-frontend'). Some of that can be adapted to CentOS.
Yes, you'll be maintaining two distributions, but the alternative is maintaining kernels and patches. That's up to you. -Bill
----- Original Message ----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of Steve Huff Sent: Fri, 10/27/2006 10:10am To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 card on CentOS 4.X?
On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Bisbal, Prentice wrote:
you're a professional system admin, your job is to make things work. A few crashes here and there are better then employess who can't get the job done at all. If stability is the issue, using CentOS is much better
well, yes, unless the requirements of the job are such that "a few crashes here and there"(!!) are unacceptable. :)
does anyone know if the centosplus kernel supports this particular TV card? if not, you might want to request its inclusion; that might provide you with a somewhat less painful solution than maintaining your own custom kernel.
-steve
-- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v
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