Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
mark
Hi Mark,
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
yup.
So far I upgraded a couple of test machines using the conversion tool they provided on GitHub (works fine, although it seems each and every package will be re-downloaded during the migration process which makes it a bit tedious), and I used my own KVM/virt-install/Kickstart/Ansible-Workflow to bring up one new server from scractch with no further change than swapping the ISO image for CentOS against the one for Alma 8.3.
Both procedures worked absolutely flawless, and so far I still have to find the first issue with any of the machines converted to or initially set up with AlmaLinux.
Caveat:
1. All of the machines I tried are VMs, no bare metal servers or VM hosts. 2. All of the machines are headless with no GUI installed at all. 3. No UEFI or Secure Boot (the latter is an open issue with Alma AFAIK).
On the other hand I did not need to change a single bit of Ansible code or Kickstart template in order to make it work, so the compatibility to CentOS seems to be very good.
Regards,
Peter.
wasn't it present under cloudlinux name with modifications compared to the original RHEL/CentOS? Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes when you tight your prod to it. in that case looks like Rgular CentOS8-stream would seem better idea with local package copy/snapshot....
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 19:21, mark m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
mark
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On 4/5/21 12:55 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:
Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes when you tight your prod to it.
A major part of the announcement videocast was about the formation of the 501c6 non-profit foundation that will back the distro. While it does indeed appear that everyone *currently* working on it works for CloudLinux it was also clear that their longer-term intention is to have the Alma Foundation be completely independent.
Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be promoting the "other team," but I don't see them that way, and I would not want this list to be a source of any misinformation about them.
On 4/5/21 1:42 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
On 4/5/21 12:55 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:
Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes when you tight your prod to it.
A major part of the announcement videocast was about the formation of the 501c6 non-profit foundation that will back the distro. While it does indeed appear that everyone *currently* working on it works for CloudLinux it was also clear that their longer-term intention is to have the Alma Foundation be completely independent.
Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be promoting the "other team," but I don't see them that way, and I would not want this list to be a source of any misinformation about them.
Rich .. I agree .. I don't see Igor and company as the other team either.
I wished the almalinux team well on their launch day on reddit. This is because I know many of the people involved in CloudLinux and I have met them plenty of times at cPanel conferences and other places. I trust Igor and his team.
I personally feel that CentOS Stream is a great distro and once you guys actually see it in practice with all the engineering effort and community involvement working as envisioned, you will like it and it will meet your needs.
In my post I said as much about CentOS Stream .. but also IF you still want to do a downstream and not slightly upstream build of EL source code, I definitely would look at AlmaLinux.
Here is a link to my post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlmaLinux/comments/mgic42/congrats_on_almalinux_rel...
My ultimate goal is to make CentOS Stream the most used community distribution in the world .. but, in doing that there is no need to be negative toward AlmaLinux.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 9:11 AM Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 4/5/21 1:42 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
On 4/5/21 12:55 PM, Ruslanas Gžibovskis wrote:
Also maintained by business unit, which might impact later changes when you tight your prod to it.
A major part of the announcement videocast was about the formation of the 501c6 non-profit foundation that will back the distro. While it does indeed appear that everyone *currently* working on it works for CloudLinux it was also clear that their longer-term intention is to have the Alma Foundation be completely independent.
Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be promoting the "other team," but I don't see them that way, and I would not want this list to be a source of any misinformation about them.
Rich .. I agree .. I don't see Igor and company as the other team either.
I wished the almalinux team well on their launch day on reddit. This is because I know many of the people involved in CloudLinux and I have met them plenty of times at cPanel conferences and other places. I trust Igor and his team.
I personally feel that CentOS Stream is a great distro and once you guys actually see it in practice with all the engineering effort and community involvement working as envisioned, you will like it and it will meet your needs.
In my post I said as much about CentOS Stream .. but also IF you still want to do a downstream and not slightly upstream build of EL source code, I definitely would look at AlmaLinux.
Here is a link to my post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlmaLinux/comments/mgic42/congrats_on_almalinux_rel...
My ultimate goal is to make CentOS Stream the most used community distribution in the world .. but, in doing that there is no need to be negative toward AlmaLinux.
Thanks, Johnny Hughes
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
+1 agree, thanks for the additional information and staying positive in regards to other alternatives.
On 4/5/21 12:20 PM, mark wrote:
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
I've cross-graded two C8 VMs over to AL8 and thus far smooth operation. I have NOT done any fresh installs (don't plan to, either, since new installs are all Debian now). Do note the release notes specifically mention that Secure Boot is not supported yet, so be aware of that if you use SecureBoot.
On 4/5/21 11:58 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On 4/5/21 12:20 PM, mark wrote:
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
I've cross-graded two C8 VMs over to AL8 and thus far smooth operation. I have NOT done any fresh installs (don't plan to, either, since new installs are all Debian now
+1
I did my estimate of what will last, so I don't have to jump my infrastructure through hoops and loops again soon, so my decision:
1. Debian
2. on machines that will require cuda: Ubuntu (Debian clone which will support NVIDIA proprietary stuff)
3. FreeBSD (all servers: jails on FreeBSD)
This decision will let me to not make fundamental changes soon. Not guaranteed, but I have good record of such decisions made by me in the past.
I hope, this helps somebody.
Valeri
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Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
mark
I hoped they would join forces and produce only one RHEL clone but put some effort into bringing EPEL to a usable state for EL8 instead. IMHO that would help *MUCH* more than to have two almost identical rebuilds of RHEL.
Simon
Hi Simon,
+1
I expect that to happen sooner or later. Currently Alma has a head start with Rocky postponed until the end of April, but to me the race is still open.
As is the case with many other colleagues, I'm currently stuck with RHEL clones because RHEL/CentOS is what my customers are using and they are not going to switch to Debian/FreeBSD/Ubuntu/whatever any time soon for a plethora of reasons. So it would be nice to have a one-stop-solution instead of having to decide which of the clones will be the more future-proof option.
Regards,
Peter.
On 5. Apr 2021, at 20:31, Simon Matter simon.matter@invoca.ch wrote:
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
mark
I hoped they would join forces and produce only one RHEL clone but put some effort into bringing EPEL to a usable state for EL8 instead. IMHO that would help *MUCH* more than to have two almost identical rebuilds of RHEL.
Simon
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There used to be several RHEL clones too, but many (some??) have dropped by the wayside. I started with TaoLinux, a rebuild of EL6, by basically one guy at a university, because he wanted his own RHEL clone to run at work. when he changed jobs he worked with Johnny to come up with a transition for Taolinux users to turn their systems into CentOS systems. As I understand it, also, Scientific Linux has quit and urges its users to go to Centos (or did, before the big hullabaloo in the CentOS world). there was also Whitebox LInux, but I don't know what ever became of it.
So, hopefully those doing rebuilds of 8 will also eventually coalesce into a smaller number, hopefully 1.
Fred
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:31 PM Simon Matter simon.matter@invoca.ch wrote:
Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
markI hoped they would join forces and produce only one RHEL clone but put some effort into bringing EPEL to a usable state for EL8 instead. IMHO that would help *MUCH* more than to have two almost identical rebuilds of RHEL.
Simon
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Le 05/04/2021 à 18:20, mark a écrit :
I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
Linux.
Reinventing the wheel since 1991.
:o)
I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7. I upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.
I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on a laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10). It ran fine until the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the upgrade. I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.
I've been trialing Springdale as well (as a VM).
Requirements are: OwnCloud DokuWiki Zotero DNS slave, eventual master DHCP server NFS server Thunderbird Firefox KeePass OpenOffice FreeCAD Octave Lilypond and Frescobaldi Compilers: GNU and others. I'll probably think of a few users as I work through them!
On 4/5/21 3:24 PM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7. I upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.
I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on a laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10). It ran fine until the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the upgrade. I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.
No one has said it, but everyone that's tried it - what's it at? I'm on CentOS 7. Do I have to go to 8 for Alma? Is there a 7? Is the conversion script someone mentioned for same release, or upgrade, or...?
mark
I've been trialing Springdale as well (as a VM).
Requirements are: OwnCloud DokuWiki Zotero DNS slave, eventual master DHCP server NFS server Thunderbird Firefox KeePass OpenOffice FreeCAD Octave Lilypond and Frescobaldi Compilers: GNU and others. I'll probably think of a few users as I work through them!
On 4/6/21 9:24 AM, mark wrote:
On 4/5/21 3:24 PM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7. I upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.
I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on a laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10). It ran fine until the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the upgrade. I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.
No one has said it, but everyone that's tried it - what's it at? I'm on CentOS 7. Do I have to go to 8 for Alma? Is there a 7? Is the conversion script someone mentioned for same release, or upgrade, or...?
They will not be doing a 7. Just 8.
That said ... it's probably a great idea to take this conversation over to *their* mailing lists. There's an extent to which this conversation is relevant to this list - after all, we're all part of the same extended family now - but once it starts becoming a technical discussion of Alma itself, it's veering off-topic, and you'll get better answers over there.
--Rich (With community manager hat on, trying to avoid this thread getting out of hand. No, it's not yet. Just trying to avoid it.)
On 4/6/21 3:29 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
On 4/6/21 9:24 AM, mark wrote:
On 4/5/21 3:24 PM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote:
I installed the beta when it came out on a VM running under C7. I upgrade every day or two and Alma upgrades have so far been seamless. It's transited from beta to RC and now to stable.
I installed the RC on a USB stick to allow me to run as bare metal on a laptop (which unfortunately has to remain as Win10). It ran fine until the upgrade to stable, but then corrupted the image during the upgrade. I reinstalled and it seems to be running fine.
No one has said it, but everyone that's tried it - what's it at? I'm on CentOS 7. Do I have to go to 8 for Alma? Is there a 7? Is the conversion script someone mentioned for same release, or upgrade, or...?
They will not be doing a 7. Just 8.
That said ... it's probably a great idea to take this conversation over to *their* mailing lists. There's an extent to which this conversation is relevant to this list - after all, we're all part of the same extended family now - but once it starts becoming a technical discussion of Alma itself, it's veering off-topic, and you'll get better answers over there.
--Rich (With community manager hat on, trying to avoid this thread getting out of hand. No, it's not yet. Just trying to avoid it.)
+1
mark, CentOS 7 will be fully supported till EOL, so why waste time on AL7?
I would not convert CL7 to any 8 but if that is only reason you are asking about AL7 then your best bet is to convert CL7 to last CL8 (not CS8) and then convert CL8 to AL8.
Looking. Rocky was supposed to release something at the beginning of the month, but I haven't seen anything.
-Frank
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Anyone looked into almalinux? I was sort of waiting for rocky, but I see from over the weekend on slashdot that almalinux stable is released.
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Looking. Rocky was supposed to release something at the beginning of the month, but I haven't seen anything.
The release was postponed by one month.
"Unfortunately we’ve had to revise our previous update for a release candidate from March 31 to April 30, due to complications in the build efforts. We continue to make steady progress, and are optimistic about our revised timeline."
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