[extracted from "Re: [CentOS] dnf and failing epel" message chain.]
From: lejeczek peljasz at yahoo.co.uk Date: Fri Nov 4 13:39:40 UTC 2016
Date: Friday, November 04, 2016 08:51:07 -0400 From: Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 12:30:02PM +0000, lejeczek wrote:
ps. I wonder if my email get though to the group, I receive mailing list emails but I don't get my own emails?
You can sign into this URL:
https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
... and change the settings. One of the settings is whether to "Receive your own posts to the list". Make sure it is marked as "yes".
it's been there always. Some mailing lists I do have this problem with, others work fine, and it's not the settings reason, certainly not that one setting and rest looks ok too. I wonder if Centos mailman uses some blocking/blacklisting? But then why the group gets my emails but me?
I believe that the issue is that yahoo updated their dmarc record a bit ago, so now won't accept mail, from 3rd-parties, that has an @yahoo... "mailfrom", as yours do on this list.
If the non-@yahoo mailing sender doesn't do what's necessary to deal with enforced dmarc, and your mail provider enforces dmarc, you won't see messages from @yahoo correspondents -- which is likely why you aren't seeing your own list messages. Additionally if a mailing list has enough @yahoo posters, this can generate sufficient bounces to get you kicked off the mailing list on a regular basis.
There are various ways for mailers/mailing lists to deal with the enforced dmarc. My understanding is that with Mailman, which this list uses, one has to upgrade to -3.
Email service providers can't send to/from Yahoo Mail addresses
Questions about our DMARC policy Why are my emails bouncing?
We've updated the DMARC record with "p=reject" for multiple Yahoo domains.
This means all DMARC compliant mail receivers (including Yahoo, Hotmail, and Gmail) are now bouncing emails sent as "@yahoo.com" addresses that aren't sent through Yahoo servers. Any messages without a proper Domain Keys Identified Mail (DKIM) signature or Sender Policy Framework (SPF) alignment will be rejected.
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN24016.html
https://yahoomail.tumblr.com/post/82426900353/yahoo-dmarc-policy-change-what-should-senders#_=_
On 04/11/16 17:18, Richard wrote:
[extracted from "Re: [CentOS] dnf and failing epel" message chain.]
From: lejeczek peljasz at yahoo.co.uk Date: Fri Nov 4 13:39:40 UTC 2016
Date: Friday, November 04, 2016 08:51:07 -0400 From: Jonathan Billings billings@negate.org
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 12:30:02PM +0000, lejeczek wrote:
ps. I wonder if my email get though to the group, I receive mailing list emails but I don't get my own emails?
You can sign into this URL:
https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
... and change the settings. One of the settings is whether to "Receive your own posts to the list". Make sure it is marked as "yes".
it's been there always. Some mailing lists I do have this problem with, others work fine, and it's not the settings reason, certainly not that one setting and rest looks ok too. I wonder if Centos mailman uses some blocking/blacklisting? But then why the group gets my emails but me?
I believe that the issue is that yahoo updated their dmarc record a bit ago, so now won't accept mail, from 3rd-parties, that has an @yahoo... "mailfrom", as yours do on this list.
If the non-@yahoo mailing sender doesn't do what's necessary to deal with enforced dmarc, and your mail provider enforces dmarc, you won't see messages from @yahoo correspondents -- which is likely why you aren't seeing your own list messages. Additionally if a mailing list has enough @yahoo posters, this can generate sufficient bounces to get you kicked off the mailing list on a regular basis.
There are various ways for mailers/mailing lists to deal with the enforced dmarc. My understanding is that with Mailman, which this list uses, one has to upgrade to -3.
Email service providers can't send to/from Yahoo Mail addresses
Questions about our DMARC policy Why are my emails bouncing?
We've updated the DMARC record with "p=reject" for multiple Yahoo domains.
This means all DMARC compliant mail receivers (including Yahoo, Hotmail, and Gmail) are now bouncing emails sent as "@yahoo.com" addresses that aren't sent through Yahoo servers. Any messages without a proper Domain Keys Identified Mail (DKIM) signature or Sender Policy Framework (SPF) alignment will be rejected.
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN24016.html
https://yahoomail.tumblr.com/post/82426900353/yahoo-dmarc-policy-change-what-should-senders#_=_
well, I'm not sure if I feel better now, I understand there must a plethora of people who fidgeted like me trying to understand what happened (some time ago) - I see I'm not alone, but... it seems larger issue. Would be great if list maintainer(s) look into this and even greater if can fix it. many! thanks Richard
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 11/4/2016 11:29 AM, lejeczek wrote:
well, I'm not sure if I feel better now, I understand there must a plethora of people who fidgeted like me trying to understand what happened (some time ago) - I see I'm not alone, but... it seems larger issue. Would be great if list maintainer(s) look into this and even greater if can fix it.
we can't fix yahoo, they broke this. the only "solution" is to hack the 'from' of emails sent to the list so they are 'from' the list server rather than 'from' the person who sent the message. I've seen a few lists that do this, its awful seeing every message be 'From: list@listserver'
For what it's worth, I just received the auto-notification of having been kicked off the list for excessive bounces. So gmail is honoring Yahoo's DMARC.
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 12:16 -0800, Bart Schaefer wrote:
For what it's worth, I just received the auto-notification of having been kicked off the list for excessive bounces. So gmail is honoring Yahoo's DMARC.
Hi,
Your not the only one. I got it a few hours ago.
Regards
Phil
On 11/09/2016 09:21 PM, Phil Wyett wrote:
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 12:16 -0800, Bart Schaefer wrote:
For what it's worth, I just received the auto-notification of having been kicked off the list for excessive bounces. So gmail is honoring Yahoo's DMARC.
Hi,
Your not the only one. I got it a few hours ago.
Regards
Phil
Me too. Must we do something about?
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 21:25 +0100, Antonio Trande wrote:
On 11/09/2016 09:21 PM, Phil Wyett wrote:
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 12:16 -0800, Bart Schaefer wrote:
For what it's worth, I just received the auto-notification of having been kicked off the list for excessive bounces. So gmail is honoring Yahoo's DMARC.
Hi,
Your not the only one. I got it a few hours ago.
Regards
Phil
Me too. Must we do something about?
Hi,
I re-enabled and hope it is just a quirk. We'll see in time.
Regards
Phil
Date: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 20:42:58 +0000 From: Phil Wyett philwyett.hemisphere@gmail.com
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 21:25 +0100, Antonio Trande wrote:
On 11/09/2016 09:21 PM, Phil Wyett wrote:
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 12:16 -0800, Bart Schaefer wrote:
For what it's worth, I just received the auto-notification of having been kicked off the list for excessive bounces. So gmail is honoring Yahoo's DMARC.
Hi,
Your not the only one. I got it a few hours ago.
Regards
Phil
Me too. Must we do something about?
Hi,
I re-enabled and hope it is just a quirk. We'll see in time.
Regards
Phil
If your mail provider enforces DMARC, whether you get dropped from a list and how often depends on the frequency of messages sent to the list from @yahoo correspondents and the list's "drop on bounces" (how often over what time period) settings. This list doesn't appear to have that many people who post from @yahoo addresses, and the "drop" settings seem to be fairly tolerant.
On 04/11/16 18:48, John R Pierce wrote:
On 11/4/2016 11:29 AM, lejeczek wrote:
well, I'm not sure if I feel better now, I understand there must a plethora of people who fidgeted like me trying to understand what happened (some time ago) - I see I'm not alone, but... it seems larger issue. Would be great if list maintainer(s) look into this and even greater if can fix it.
we can't fix yahoo, they broke this. the only "solution" is to hack the 'from' of emails sent to the list so they are 'from' the list server rather than 'from' the person who sent the message. I've seen a few lists that do this, its awful seeing every message be 'From: list@listserver'
samba@list has it working, it does not look that bad.
My, Name via samba samba@lists.samba.org
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