On 20 DEC 2013 @02:06 zulu, John R Pierce wrote:

how many XP systems are still in use?

We have 3 XP desktops connected to the LAN in our home. We also have 3 Win7 laptops. I used to dual-boot fedora on one of the laptops, until windows refused to apply SP1 because of grub's alterations to the MBR... it was happy to install with Dell's MBR, though (which starts up their customized version of CyberLink's PowerCinema, called MediaDirect) when an alternate 'On' button is used).

how many people use C6 as a desktop?

I have 2 (it's not that I *hate* GNOME3 as much as I'm waiting for as many bugs as possible to be worked out before I'm forced to give up something that works fine and use something that, well... doesn't; preferably one in which alacarte is functional and actually edits/saves the GNOME3 menus).

I also have used the script from http://chrome.richardlloyd.org.uk/ to install google's Chrome repo and Chrome 28+ (up to version 31.something now) on both those C6 machines, and am completely happy with the way it sequesters the updated libs (grabbed from a fedora 15 archive repo) from the 'stock' libs so only Chrome accesses and uses them.

Melly xmas.

On 12/19/2013 19:50, John R Pierce wrote:

On 12/19/2013 6:43 PM, Darr247 wrote:

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On 20 DEC 2013 @02:06 zulu, John R Pierce wrote:

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how many XP systems are still in use?

We have 3 XP desktops connected to the LAN in our home.

that was a rhetorical question, of course I'd expect THIS email list to be skewed heavily away from the global norm.

I suspect there's 100 to 1000 XP systems for every RHEL/CentOS desktop workstation on a global basis.

Web site browser stats are often misused to talk about OS market share, but in this case, they're perfect. They measure exactly what we want here.

One set I looked at[*] says the XP:Linux ratio is about 20:1. Others roughly confirm this.

I was unable to find stats that broke the Linux portion down, which is unfortunate because it's difficult to build a browser that runs on all Linuxes out-of-the-box.

Netscape used to ship an "any Linux" tarball, through Netscape 4. To pull that trick off, they had to include copies of *all* of the libraries it was built against except libc, even when the platform came with one or more of these libraries. The lowest-common-denominator result didn't take advantage of any platform-specific desktop features. NS4 looked and worked like CDE/Motif no matter where it ran.

Chromium doesn't try to do that. They'd have to dedicate build resources -- test VMs, develoer time -- to each OS they specifically support. They'd then have to choose to either do the sort of LCD effort Netscape did, or spend development time creating workarounds for missing features on the older platforms they want to support.

To hit your 100:1 number, John, EL6 would have to be 1/5 the Linux interactive desktop market. I'd be stunned if it is that high, given how popular Ubuntu and Mint are for that.

I also agree that 1000:1 seems like the far edge of the probability curve. That would mean EL6 is 1/50 the total interactive desktop Linux market. It could be that bad, given that most EL6 machines are probably headless servers.

[*] http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop-os-ww-monthly-201211-201311

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:53 PM, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:

On 12/20/2013 10:47 AM, Warren Young wrote:

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I also agree that 1000:1 seems like the far edge of the probability curve. That would mean EL6 is 1/50 the total interactive desktop Linux market. It could be that bad, given that most EL6 machines are probably headless servers.

the 50 or so dedicated and virtual EL systems I wrangle are all headless.

I generally run the NX client remotely from a windows or mac when I want something resembling a Centos desktop. But I nearly always use the windows/mac browser - along with some other desktop apps instead of the outdated Centos versions.

No consolation for CentOS 6, but Chrome does appear to work on the upstream 7 beta.

On 20/12/2013 11:51 PM, Scot P. Floess wrote:

All,

I don't know if this will help y'all, but I have gotten Chrome working with CentOS 6.x:

http://www.tecmint.com/install-google-chrome-on-redhat-centos-fedora-linux/

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013, Kwan Lowe wrote:

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No consolation for CentOS 6, but Chrome does appear to work on the upstream 7 beta. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Good.

Scot P. Floess RHCT (Certificate Number 605010084735240) Chief Architect FlossWare http://sourceforge.net/projects/flossware http://flossware.sourceforge.net https://github.com/organizations/FlossWare _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

That script by Richard Lloyd is not a good idea. I think it's using libs from other distros (maybe even EOL distros) . I'd be surprised if that works stable for any length of time.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Scot P. Floess sfloess@nc.rr.com wrote:

All,

I don't know if this will help y'all, but I have gotten Chrome working with CentOS 6.x:

http://www.tecmint.com/install-google-chrome-on-redhat-centos-fedora-linux/

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013, Kwan Lowe wrote:

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No consolation for CentOS 6, but Chrome does appear to work on the upstream 7 beta. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Scot P. Floess RHCT (Certificate Number 605010084735240) Chief Architect FlossWare http://sourceforge.net/projects/flossware http://flossware.sourceforge.net https://github.com/organizations/FlossWare _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

On 12/20/2013 11:12 AM, Darr247 wrote:

CentOS 6.x is based on kernels circa fedora 14 if you want to talk about EOL distros. :)

With the difference being that while RHEL/Centos have bugs and security fixes applied, Fedora is left dead in the water from the day it's EOLd.

Dave,

To be honest, I never tried - as much as I hate to admit it, I'm not sure what mono/moonlight are...

But I've had Chrome working for me for at least 6 months if not a year and it works fine (I'm not on CentOS 6.5)...

Thanks,

Flossy

On Sat, 21 Dec 2013, David G. Miller wrote:

Scot P. Floess <sfloess@...> writes:

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All,

I don't know if this will help y'all, but I have gotten Chrome working with CentOS 6.x:

http://www.tecmint.com/install-google-chrome-on-redhat-centos-fedora-linux/

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013, Kwan Lowe wrote:

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No consolation for CentOS 6, but Chrome does appear to work on the upstream 7 beta. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@... http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Scot P. Floess RHCT (Certificate Number 605010084735240) Chief Architect FlossWare http://sourceforge.net/projects/flossware http://flossware.sourceforge.net https://github.com/organizations/FlossWare

Were you able to get mono/moonlight to work? I'm happy with FF but the local water district re-did their web site to require silverlight. I was able to get Chrome installed and added the moonlight/mono pieces but I end up with a blank page after I login to their web site (couldn't even get the login screen with FF so I guess that's progress).

Cheers, Dave

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On 12/22/2013 09:00 AM, Scot P. Floess wrote:

as much as I hate to admit it, I'm not sure what mono/moonlight are...

Linux implementation of Microsoft .net and Silverlight respectively. Silverlight was supposed to be Microsoft's answer to flash which never really took off except in some high corporate and government situations where some PHB was tricked into it by a Microsoft salesman.

Both mono (and as an extension moonlight) are spearheaded by Novel with "support" from Microsoft, which means it will almost work but not quite.

To the GP, I would try rebuilding moonlight with the latest version and see if it helps, and if it doesn't then you may be stuck with either dual-booting or running a VM with windoze in order to access that government website. You may also want to look into laws regarding equal access to government resources in your area.

Peter

On 12/20/2013 03:14 PM, Akemi Yagi wrote:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Akemi Yagi amyagi@gmail.com wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Robert Arkiletian robark@gmail.com wrote:

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Does anyone know of secret plans to eventually support Chrome/Chromium on C6? (crossing fingers)

I heard a rumour about such a "secret" plan (RH talking with Google) but cannot confirm ...

Well, turns out it was more than a rumour. Here it is, some test version:

http://people.redhat.com/tpopela/rpms/

I would recommend trying those RPMs .. I will see if I can get it to build and get it into my chromium soon.

On 12/21/2013 04:14 AM, Александр Кириллов wrote:

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Well, turns out it was more than a rumour. Here it is, some test version:

http://people.redhat.com/tpopela/rpms/

I would recommend trying those RPMs .. I will see if I can get it to build and get it into my chromium soon.

FYI chromium-31.0.1650.63-1.el6_5.src.rpm builds (in mock) and installs just fine in C6.5 64-bit.

Indeed it does and I have put a version of it built for centos-6 i386 an x86_64 in my testing repo:

http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/chromium/6/

I will try to keep this updated (as I did before) when new versions of chromium become available.

I was able to rebuild other versions of the 31.x tree for testing a process to keep chromium updated ... however, the current chromium beta tree (32.0.1700.68 right now) fails to build.

As always with things in my personal repo ... use at your own risk :)

Thanks, Johnny Hughes

On 20.12.2013 21:14, Akemi Yagi wrote:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Akemi Yagi amyagi@gmail.com wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Robert Arkiletian robark@gmail.com wrote:

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Does anyone know of secret plans to eventually support Chrome/Chromium on C6? (crossing fingers)

I heard a rumour about such a "secret" plan (RH talking with Google) but cannot confirm ...

Well, turns out it was more than a rumour. Here it is, some test version:

http://people.redhat.com/tpopela/rpms/

Thanks! However even this version has serious problems - like the old versions, on multiple monitor setups it will refuse to leave full screen. Stay away from F11! :-)