Hi all,
Somebody knows any application (gui if it is possible) to write CDs under Centos 3.5??.
Thank you very much.
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IMHO k3b is the best, don't search for alternative :-)
User Lists wrote:
Hi all,
Somebody knows any application (gui if it is possible) to write CDs under Centos 3.5??.
Thank you very much.
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On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 22:22 +0300, Romeo Ninov wrote:
IMHO k3b is the best, don't search for alternative :-)
K3b uses logical block records (and rewrites for MO media like CD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, etc...). While this is easiest, it's not always the most compatible. I.e., it's typically more than adequate for data, if that's what you want it for. But if you're looking for the utmost player compatibility, you don't want to use logical block writes.
You want to use the CDRecord family to programs for physical (i.e., the drive is directly driven by the program, via a generic device interface), byte-by-byte (character) recording in Disc-at-Once (DaO) mode. Note DaO is mutually exclusive with burn-proof type technologies, because the laser never leaves the media. You want to use the especially when recording CD-Audio or DVD-Video for older players that are not very intelligent, and just have a simple laser that just wants to follow a simple groove.
NOTE, for pretty much all post-2003 DVD players, this is no longer required. Most new DVD players are embedded systems, so they can read media far more intelligent (and even non-ROM/R media, like -RW/+RW MO media which is _physically_different_ than ROM/R media, these days).
The problem with CDRecord is that the Sony/Philips (HP, other DVD+R/+RW licensees) firmwares typically don't support byte-by-byte recording. Even +R/+RW drives that also do -R/-RW do not support it. You have to be using a DVD Consortium firmware (typically -R licensees, although 3rd gen Matsushita -RAM drives also do -R/-RW) for this mode.
I've been going with the LG GSA-4xxx series of drives. They are the lowest price (~$50 for 16x/4xDL capable GSA-4163), do _all_ formats (5x DVD-RAM, 16x DVD-R, 16x DVD+R, 4x DL DVD+R, 6x DVD-RW, 8x DVD+RW), available in beige or black, and AnandTech found both the -R and +R to be very fast and fairly low in error rates (although he did have a problem with one of his favorite media brands): http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2470
It works with either approach (let alone legacy DVD-RAM packet write if you need that for compatibility with discs going back 8+ years now).
On Sunday 24 July 2005 21:46, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 22:22 +0300, Romeo Ninov wrote:
IMHO k3b is the best, don't search for alternative :-)
K3b uses logical block records (and rewrites for MO media like CD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, etc...). While this is easiest, it's not always the most compatible. I.e., it's typically more than adequate for data, if that's what you want it for. But if you're looking for the utmost player compatibility, you don't want to use logical block writes.
Ok, again, stop.
Does this answer the original poster's question? He wants to write CD's; hearing the excess information about DVD's doesn't help him. Why is it so hard to simply 'help' the original poster?
Last I checked, k3b for writing CD's uses CDRecord. Since the OP's question was about CD's and not DVD's, the whole packet of information about DVD's was extraneous and superfluous.
I use K3B on a WhiteBox 3 machine; since I do use it to write data DVD's I had to build a later growisofs for it, but for the CD recording side I have had zero problems in over 1,000 CD's burnt, both audio and data. As the drive I have doesn't support DAO recording, I have it set to do TAO, which seems to work just fine with every CD player I've tried the disc's in.
So, to answer the original question, K3B (of a recent version) works fine on a RHEL3-derived system for burning audio CD's, assuming you have a good burner.
On my particular system I also have to make sure I run k3b as root; otherwise the drive doesn't show up (since it is not the only CD drive in the system, and since it uses ide-scsi (remember, CentOS3/WhiteBox 3/RHEL3 are 2.4 kernel) the system gets a little confused).
Romeo Ninov wrote:
IMHO k3b is the best, don't search for alternative :-)
Bryan J. Smith wrote:
K3b uses logical block records (and rewrites for MO media like CD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, etc...). While this is easiest, it's not always the most compatible. I.e., it's typically more than adequate for data, if that's what you want it
for.
But if you're looking for the utmost player compatibility, you don't want to use logical block writes.
Lamar Owen lowen@pari.edu wrote:
Ok, again, stop. Does this answer the original poster's question? He wants to write CD's; hearing the excess information about DVD's doesn't help him.
1. Romeo stated not to look for an alternative
2. Most people today get their CD recording/rewriting from their DVD drive. DVD firmware is very much an issue! Especially since many CD-audio players _are_ "dumb."
And when it comes to rewritables, I actually call Sony/Philips CAV/zoned-CLV as "CD+RW" because of the compatibility issues.
Why is it so hard to simply 'help' the original poster?
I wasn't "helping" the original poster. I was explaining _why_ someone might not want to use k3b, in response to someone else's comment.
Over on the DVDRTools list, someone was bragging how they had solicited SuSE to drop CDRecord[+DVDpatch], because it wasn't supposively needed. The reality is that there are very much people like myself who want to record CD-R and DVD-R in character (byte-by-byte) mode for maximum player compatibility.
Last I checked, k3b for writing CD's uses CDRecord.
It depends on the drive, mode, etc... I was trying to get at anyone who expects k3b to write CD-R or DVD-R for player compatibility, that's all.
Because, again, someone said ... "don't search for alternative"
Since the OP's question was about CD's and not DVD's, the whole packet of information about DVD's was extraneous and superfluous.
No it's not. They are linked very much, especially when it comes to player compatibility.
DVD-R and CD-R are the _same_, _physical_ approach. It's important to note this.
I use K3B on a WhiteBox 3 machine; since I do use it to write data DVD's I had to build a later growisofs for it, but for the CD recording side I have had zero problems in over 1,000 CD's burnt, both audio and data. As the drive I have doesn't support DAO recording, I have it set to do TAO,
Correct. It's an important consideration.
which seems to work just fine with every CD player I've tried the disc's in.
Depends on the age of the unit, the intelligence in it, etc... You must have well designed CD players.
So, to answer the original question, K3B (of a recent version) works fine on a RHEL3-derived system for burning audio CD's, assuming you have a good burner.
??? Nevermind. I shouldn't have even challenged the "don't search for alternative."
On my particular system I also have to make sure I run k3b as root; otherwise the drive doesn't show up (since it is not the only CD drive in the system, and since it uses ide-scsi (remember, CentOS3/WhiteBox 3/RHEL3 are 2.4 kernel) the system gets a little confused).
Logical (kernel-controlled block interface) v. Physical (program-controlled character interface) is an important consideration for maximum compatibility when burning CD-R as much as DVD-R. I use the DVD Consortium v. Sony/Philips Consortium because it extends to how CD-R and CD-RW are recorded and rewritten, respectively, as well.
That's why I responded to the comment of "don't search for an alternative" with my discussion of "logical block" v. "physical character" recording -- because sometimes you _do_ want an alternative.
On Monday 25 July 2005 18:50, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
But if you're looking for the utmost player compatibility, you don't want to use logical block writes.
Lamar Owen lowen@pari.edu wrote:
Ok, again, stop. Does this answer the original poster's question? He wants to write CD's; hearing the excess information about DVD's doesn't help him.
- Romeo stated not to look for an alternative
And for a GUI frontend to the standard CD/DVD writing utilities there isn't any need to look at an alternative; IMO, and agreeing with many others, out of the frontends available for CentOS 3 k3b is simply the best.
- Most people today get their CD recording/rewriting from
their DVD drive. DVD firmware is very much an issue! Especially since many CD-audio players _are_ "dumb."
But this has nothing to do with the GUI frontend.
And when it comes to rewritables, I actually call Sony/Philips CAV/zoned-CLV as "CD+RW" because of the compatibility issues.
Which also has nothing to do with k3b.
Why is it so hard to simply 'help' the original poster?
I wasn't "helping" the original poster. I was explaining _why_ someone might not want to use k3b, in response to someone else's comment.
Going into DVD firmware and the other issues brought up has nothing to do with the suitability of k3b, since k3b is just a GUI frontend for cdrecord and friends. In particular, cdrdao, cdrecord, and growisofs are the programs used by the k3b frontend. So the features, block writing, etc of the backend programs determine what k3b will do.
Over on the DVDRTools list, someone was bragging how they had solicited SuSE to drop CDRecord[+DVDpatch], because it wasn't supposively needed. The reality is that there are very much people like myself who want to record CD-R and DVD-R in character (byte-by-byte) mode for maximum player compatibility.
Did SuSE drop the plain CDrecord program? And how again does this impact a GUI frontend for CentOS 3?
Last I checked, k3b for writing CD's uses CDRecord.
It depends on the drive, mode, etc... I was trying to get at anyone who expects k3b to write CD-R or DVD-R for player compatibility, that's all.
K3B uses cdrdao for DAO recording for those drives that support dao; select dao as your method in k3b and it will use cdrdao.
Because, again, someone said ... "don't search for alternative"
Because for CentOS 3 there really isn't a good alternative. And, if you want to never use growisofs for writing, don't upgrade the growisofs (dvd+rw-tools) package to a version the latest k3b wants (to get latest k3b, install the kde-redhat packages; this will pull in lots of dependencies but will work fine, if you want a more modern KDE).
Since the OP's question was about CD's and not DVD's, the whole packet of information about DVD's was extraneous and superfluous.
No it's not. They are linked very much, especially when it comes to player compatibility.
DVD-R and CD-R are the _same_, _physical_ approach. It's important to note this.
Certainly. But when you're writing CD's using K3B you end up using CDrecord (I do this constantly with a Generic DVD Dual drive (Pacific Digital) and with my Dell laptop's NEC DVD+RW drive). I do this, like I say, constantly for my radio broadcast.
which seems to work just fine with every CD player I've tried the disc's in.
Depends on the age of the unit, the intelligence in it, etc... You must have well designed CD players.
Most of my CD's are burnt for a broadcast environment, where the CD player quality typically is higher, yes, but not always. The older Marantz professional CD players are notoriously picky about media and burner timing.
That's why I responded to the comment of "don't search for an alternative" with my discussion of "logical block" v. "physical character" recording -- because sometimes you _do_ want an alternative.
I fail to see the relationship between the discussion of a GUI frontend to CDrecord and media types and compatibility, which is generic to the hardware and not even dependent upon the operating system used, as you will have just as many problems with the various Windows burning programs.
User Lists wrote:
Hi all,
Somebody knows any application (gui if it is possible) to write CDs under Centos 3.5??.
Graveman works well under most conditions - and seems lesser resource intensive compared with k3b. From the package description "Graveman! provides a graphical user interface for handling common CD/DVD burning tasks. It can burn Audio CDs, Data CDs and DVDs, duplicate CDs, and clean rewritable CD/DVD media."
You might need to look around to see who has it packaged for CentOS3/EL3
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