Hi,
I am running Centos 4 (fully updated on this box).
I removed the old DVD writer (/dev/hdc) and installed a new LG GH20 "Internal Super Multi DVD Rewriter" with a SATA interface - this shows up as /dev/scd0.
When I insert a pre-recorded DVD autorun mounts it and displays the contents without any hassles. It appears to me that the required kernel modules are loaded - as copied below from lsmod output.
sata_nv 18629 0 libata 111261 1 sata_nv sd_mod 17217 0 scsi_mod 125261 3 sr_mod,libata,sd_mod
I am using Verbatim DVD-RDL blanks.
When I try to write a pre-recorded iso to the DVD I get the following error message:
[user@test]$ growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvdwriter=<pre-recorded>.iso :-( /dev/dvdwriter: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 10015
I have tried to do this as root with the same result. /dev/dvdwriter is a link to /dev/scd0 and has full read/write/execute permissions.
Output of growisofs -version:
* growisofs by appro@fy.chalmers.se, version 5.21, front-ending to mkisofs: mkisofs 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu)
Any suggestions will be welcome - if any further information is required I will do my best to supply it.
I have Googled with the error message but only get reports of this problem and no solutions.
TIA
ChrisG
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:38 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
Hi,
I am running Centos 4 (fully updated on this box).
I removed the old DVD writer (/dev/hdc) and installed a new LG GH20 "Internal Super Multi DVD Rewriter" with a SATA interface - this shows up as /dev/scd0.
When I insert a pre-recorded DVD autorun mounts it and displays the contents without any hassles. It appears to me that the required kernel modules are loaded - as copied below from lsmod output.
sata_nv 18629 0 libata 111261 1 sata_nv sd_mod 17217 0 scsi_mod 125261 3 sr_mod,libata,sd_mod
I am using Verbatim DVD-RDL blanks.
When I try to write a pre-recorded iso to the DVD I get the following error message:
[user@test]$ growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvdwriter=<pre-recorded>.iso :-( /dev/dvdwriter: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 10015
I have tried to do this as root with the same result. /dev/dvdwriter is a link to /dev/scd0 and has full read/write/execute permissions.
Output of growisofs -version:
- growisofs by appro@fy.chalmers.se, version 5.21, front-ending to mkisofs: mkisofs 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu)
Any suggestions will be welcome - if any further information is required I will do my best to supply it.
I'm *really* a novice at this, but the first time I tried to record a DVD (I use cdrecord) I learned that the media needed to be formatted first. I don't know if what your using is already formatted, if your software does it for you or if it's even needed.
Using the cdrecord software, there are flags that will let me know.
I have Googled with the error message but only get reports of this problem and no solutions.
TIA
ChrisG
<snip>
HTH
William L. Maltby wrote:
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:38 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
Hi,
I am running Centos 4 (fully updated on this box).
I removed the old DVD writer (/dev/hdc) and installed a new LG GH20 "Internal Super Multi DVD Rewriter" with a SATA interface - this shows up as /dev/scd0.
When I insert a pre-recorded DVD autorun mounts it and displays the contents without any hassles. It appears to me that the required kernel modules are loaded - as copied below from lsmod output.
sata_nv 18629 0 libata 111261 1 sata_nv sd_mod 17217 0 scsi_mod 125261 3 sr_mod,libata,sd_mod
I am using Verbatim DVD-RDL blanks.
When I try to write a pre-recorded iso to the DVD I get the following error message:
[user@test]$ growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvdwriter=<pre-recorded>.iso :-( /dev/dvdwriter: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 10015
I have tried to do this as root with the same result. /dev/dvdwriter is a link to /dev/scd0 and has full read/write/execute permissions.
Output of growisofs -version:
- growisofs by appro@fy.chalmers.se, version 5.21, front-ending to mkisofs: mkisofs 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu)
Any suggestions will be welcome - if any further information is required I will do my best to supply it.
I'm *really* a novice at this, but the first time I tried to record a DVD (I use cdrecord) I learned that the media needed to be formatted first. I don't know if what your using is already formatted, if your software does it for you or if it's even needed.
Using the cdrecord software, there are flags that will let me know.
I have Googled with the error message but only get reports of this problem and no solutions.
TIA
ChrisG
<snip>
HTH
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the quick response - I did try to format with dvd+rw tools but also got a respnse that the media was not recordable. AFAIK it should not be required.
From reading your many and interesting posts to this list I realize that we must be contemporaries (possoibly I started programming before you - circa 1963 on a ICL1500 aka RCA 301 in assembler or directly punching machine code into punch cards).
I do appreciate your responses as they always are helpfull and when them flame wars flare up you remain sensible.
Thanks again
ChrisG
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 20:13 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
William L. Maltby wrote:
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:38 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
LG GH20
<snip>
I am using Verbatim DVD-RDL blanks.
Did a quick perusal of the Verbatim and LG specs. Looks OK.
When I try to write a pre-recorded iso to the DVD I get the following error message:
[user@test]$ growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvdwriter=<pre-recorded>.iso :-( /dev/dvdwriter: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 10015
I have tried to do this as root with the same result. /dev/dvdwriter is a link to /dev/scd0 and has full read/write/execute permissions.
<snip>
I have Googled with the error message but only get reports of this problem and no solutions.
Yeah. I've often wondered if folks just give up or don't bother to post when they either find a solution or find an embarrassing problem and don't want to acknowledge it. :-;
Thanks for the quick response - I did try to format with dvd+rw tools but also got a response that the media was not recordable. AFAIK it should not be required.
With two software packages indicating not recordable, I'm betting that the drivers *or* the applications currently on the system are not up-to-date enough to handle the dual layer facility. This is an unfortunate side-effect of enterprise-class systems, which will tend to run behind overall. Unfortunately, every new "feature" on these types of devices requires new driver support.
My updated 5.2 has these cdrdao-1.2.1-2.i386 cdrecord-2.01-10.i386 xcdroast-0.98a15-12.2.2.i386
Rpmforge has only the development rpm for the current cdrecord.
I don't have atrpm on my system. You might check there and see if they have later packages. Just be aware that many months ago that repo was less trusted (IIRC, considered unstable and overlaid base packages if you weren't careful), but that may not be the case now. Plus, since then, yum priorities and protect have become available (can protect against overlay of base packages).
If your vendor offers *any* tech support, they *may* be able to tell you if they know of any sources (yum repos, source code, distributions - Fedora is a likely candidate) that they know supports the dual layer feature.
Also, visit the manufacturers web site. Sometimes they might have technical information that includes drivers needed or linux releases, etc. Often they have support via e-mail that may help.
Barring any immediate solutions, I would try using regular DVD+-RW media and wait until the software catches up. You won't have wasted your $$, it's just a deferred benefit thingy.
OH! Almost forgot, visit the cdrecord home web-site. Lots of good stuff there. I forget the URL, but I think it's in one of the files in /usr/share/doc/cdrecord-2.01. Be warned that that author has a long-term dim view of the Linux SCSI interface implementation and is apparently on a crusade about it.
If you do install something outside of the CentOS and related repos, be aware of the risks and potential workload as updates occur.
From reading your many and interesting posts to this list I realize that we must be contemporaries (possibly I started programming before you - circa 1963 on a ICL1500 aka RCA 301 in assembler or directly punching machine code into punch cards).
Yep. I had my 1st professional job in 1969. I was in the "modern" age, S360 stuff was the equipment then. The punch cards were still there, made on 026 and 029 card punches and read by MFCMs to load programs into IBM's DOS.
I guess we're both old enough to fill in for JP when the resident curmudgeon is not on-list. ;-)
I do appreciate your responses as they always are helpfull and when them flame wars flare up you remain sensible.
Thanks. The "sensible" part took a lot of years and the majority of my youth to develop!
Thanks again
ChrisG
<snip>
I hope some of this ends up helping.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 03:19:01PM -0400, William L. Maltby wrote:
My updated 5.2 has these cdrdao-1.2.1-2.i386 cdrecord-2.01-10.i386 xcdroast-0.98a15-12.2.2.i386
Rpmforge has only the development rpm for the current cdrecord.
I don't have atrpm on my system. You might check there and see if they have later packages. Just be aware that many months ago that repo was less trusted (IIRC, considered unstable and overlaid base packages if you weren't careful), but that may not be the case now. Plus, since then, yum priorities and protect have become available (can protect against overlay of base packages).
Hearsay, your honour!
Well, there's some FUD floating around about ATrpms - I'm of course biased in the other direction. Suffice it to say that you will not find any report of unstable packages in the "stable" repo, and that since RHEL5/CentOS5's birth there were no "stable" packages replacing CentOS packages but one that accidentially was in the "stable" and was fixed minutes within the report (I forgot which package it was, just check these archives, it was O(1-2 months) ago).
There is also nothing that has happened in the last months to increase/decrease ATrpms' trustworthiness. Maybe less FUD and gossiping. ;)
Finally yum priorities and protect have been long enough available to show that they create more bugs than they solve. If you don't trust a repo, just don't use it. Selective/partial enabling creates per user bugs that no one can diagnose.
But to get back to the actual issue: No, ATrpms has neither cdrdao, nor cdrecord, nor xcdroast.
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 23:33 +0300, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 03:19:01PM -0400, William L. Maltby wrote:
<snip>
I don't have atrpm on my system. You might check there and see if they have later packages. Just be aware that many months ago that repo was less trusted (IIRC, considered unstable and overlaid base packages if you weren't careful), but that may not be the case now. Plus, since then, yum priorities and protect have become available (can protect against overlay of base packages).
Hearsay, your honour!
That's all that's available on any list for 80% of everything! :-)
Well, there's some FUD floating around about ATrpms - I'm of course biased in the other direction. Suffice it to say that you will not find any report of unstable packages in the "stable" repo, and that since RHEL5/CentOS5's birth there were no "stable" packages replacing CentOS packages but one that accidentally was in the "stable" and was fixed minutes within the report (I forgot which package it was, just check these archives, it was O(1-2 months) ago).
There is also nothing that has happened in the last months to increase/decrease ATrpms' trustworthiness. Maybe less FUD and gossiping. ;)
True, to my knowledge as to the last few (well, time flies, it may be more than "few", might be "many" or even "mucho") months. That's why I made sure to include "many months ago" when I mentioned it. I've not heard any of those... "gossips" for some time now. That's what led me to believe that the "gossip" I'd heard might no longer be true, if it ever was. However, w/o mentioning names, I can certainly (long ago) recall ... "advisories" WRT atrpms in certain threads for a CentOS system. Not being truly knowledgeable myself, I felt it my civic duty to *not* doubt the rumors, innuendo and falsehoods of which I was unaware!
8-O
And, of course, that same social obligation requires unquestioning propagation of the mis-information. This works well because one who truly knows will be outraged and therefore goaded into correcting the misinformed fool who passes on such drivel. :-{
<*softly whistling and looking around in innocence*>
Finally yum priorities and protect have been long enough available to show that they create more bugs than they solve. If you don't trust a repo, just don't use it. Selective/partial enabling creates per user bugs that no one can diagnose.
Small disagreement. A knowledgeable user who caused the bug (presumed through oversight rather than ignorance) can often correct it. Especially if he queries the list so that others can "read what he wrote, not what he meant/thought he wrote". Of course, even if ignorance about one particular facet was involved,
(community) knowledge + good problem resolution process = solution
often.
But that's really only an argument contrary to those of obsessive anal-retentive BOFH types desiring absolute control - we know there are none here! >:))
But to get back to the actual issue: No, ATrpms has neither cdrdao, nor cdrecord, nor xcdroast.
Well, maybe the OP will get lucky. <snicker - no age comments PLEASE!>
OH! Almost forgot. No offense intended in my previous or current reply.
<snip sig stuff>
On Wed, August 27, 2008 14:19, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 20:13 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
From reading your many and interesting posts to this list I realize that we must be contemporaries (possibly I started programming before you - circa 1963 on a ICL1500 aka RCA 301 in assembler or directly punching machine code into punch cards).
Yep. I had my 1st professional job in 1969. I was in the "modern" age, S360 stuff was the equipment then. The punch cards were still there, made on 026 and 029 card punches and read by MFCMs to load programs into IBM's DOS.
I guess we're both old enough to fill in for JP when the resident curmudgeon is not on-list. ;-)
You can list me as a backup curmudgeon as well :-).
Started being paid to write software in 1969, for an IBM 1401. 026 and 029 card punches for me, too; I preferred the keyboard touch on the 026 by quite a lot. 14" five platter removable pack disk drives that stored...around 1.5MB if I'm remembering right (can't seem to find the info online quickly, either; might be as high as 2MB).
I don't think I still remember much about how to make drum cards, though. I *do* have some cards from back then out near my computer at home; found them cleaning out some stuff, and could quite bear to just dump them, so they're kicking around.
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 12:17 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
On Wed, August 27, 2008 14:19, William L. Maltby wrote:
<snip>
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 20:13 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
From reading your many and interesting posts to this list I realize that we must be contemporaries (possibly I started programming before you - circa 1963 on a ICL1500 aka RCA 301 in assembler or directly punching machine code into punch cards).
Yep. I had my 1st professional job in 1969. I was in the "modern" age, S360 stuff was the equipment then. The punch cards were still there, made on 026 and 029 card punches and read by MFCMs to load programs into IBM's DOS.
I guess we're both old enough to fill in for JP when the resident curmudgeon is not on-list. ;-)
You can list me as a backup curmudgeon as well :-).
If this keeps up, we'll outnumber the "squirts"... uh-oh! We'll incur the "Wrath of Khan" from regular list denizans too! >:-O
Started being paid to write software in 1969, for an IBM 1401. 026 and 029 card punches for me, too; I preferred the keyboard touch on the 026 by quite a lot. 14" five platter removable pack disk drives that stored...around 1.5MB if I'm remembering right (can't seem to find the info online quickly, either; might be as high as 2MB).
7204 is a number stuck in my mind. Size? Model? Oh well, really puny, regardless.
I don't think I still remember much about how to make drum cards, though. I *do* have some cards from back then out near my computer at home; found them cleaning out some stuff, and could quite bear to just dump them, so they're kicking around.
It took a long time, but a few years ago I ditched the last of the punch cards I used to keep around just to show to younger folks. They hadn't even heard the term "Hollarith Code" apparently.
On Thu, August 28, 2008 12:53, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 12:17 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Started being paid to write software in 1969, for an IBM 1401. 026 and 029 card punches for me, too; I preferred the keyboard touch on the 026 by quite a lot. 14" five platter removable pack disk drives that stored...around 1.5MB if I'm remembering right (can't seem to find the info online quickly, either; might be as high as 2MB).
7204 is a number stuck in my mind. Size? Model? Oh well, really puny, regardless.
I believe the drives in my case were 1311's. Or else 1310, but I think that was the controller. 1403 printer, of course, and 1402 reader/punch. Reading cards with copper brushes at 800 cards per minute.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:29 PM, David Dyer-Bennet dd-b@dd-b.net wrote:
I believe the drives in my case were 1311's. Or else 1310, but I think that was the controller. 1403 printer, of course, and 1402 reader/punch. Reading cards with copper brushes at 800 cards per minute.
Well, I'm not as aged and decrepit as you and Bill, but I, too, remember card punches, rapid boot drums, and file systems that took seven or eight 14" removable disk cabinets that were about three times the size of today's PCs each and held I don't remember how much data. I took my first programming class in Fortran V with card punches and printouts on a CDC 6600 mainframe, in 1974....
mhr
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:29 PM, David Dyer-Bennet dd-b@dd-b.net wrote:
I believe the drives in my case were 1311's. Or else 1310, but I think that was the controller. 1403 printer, of course, and 1402 reader/punch. Reading cards with copper brushes at 800 cards per minute.
Well, I'm not as aged and decrepit as you and Bill, but I, too, remember card punches, rapid boot drums, and file systems that took seven or eight 14" removable disk cabinets that were about three times the size of today's PCs each and held I don't remember how much data. I took my first programming class in Fortran V with card punches and printouts on a CDC 6600 mainframe, in 1974....
OK Mark. Watch out! Aged and decrepit? :-) We are not as young as you and Jim and many others here. I remember an IBM 7090 on an airline reservation system and after that the IBM 360 Model 65 with Large Core Storage (I forget how much, probably very little, compared to my Desktop) seemed like something very powerful. Imagine the power consumption of some of the models that have been mentioned in this thread, and, their cooling requirements......
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:53 PM, William L. Maltby CentOS4Bill@triad.rr.com wrote:
I guess we're both old enough to fill in for JP when the resident curmudgeon is not on-list. ;-)
*checks for other folks on list with initials of JP* *checks driver's license for age verification*
You can list me as a backup curmudgeon as well :-).
If this keeps up, we'll outnumber the "squirts"... uh-oh! We'll incur the "Wrath of Khan" from regular list denizans too! >:-O
You do realize I'm one of the "squirts" you're referring to right? I started working with computers in more than just a 'hey, I need to write this paper' sort of way around 1995. The *first* CPU I used was a pentium (though this is not the oldest, as I developed a fondness for antiques).
So you geezers can just put the token ring down, and step away from the thin-net. Oh.. and get off my lawn! :-P
<snip>
You do realize I'm one of the "squirts" you're referring to right? I started working with computers in more than just a 'hey, I need to write this paper' sort of way around 1995. The *first* CPU I used was a pentium (though this is not the oldest, as I developed a fondness for antiques).
So you geezers can just put the token ring down, and step away from the thin-net. Oh.. and get off my lawn! :-P
I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
<snip>
I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any reason to fire it up anymore.
Hell, even at my age I've got more memory left than it ever had! :-))
<snip>
on 8-28-2008 4:15 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
<snip>
I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any reason to fire it up anymore.
Hell, even at my age I've got more memory left than it ever had! :-))
<snip>
I don't think I kept anything lower than a 486. You never know if you might need it!
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008, Scott Silva wrote:
on 8-28-2008 4:15 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
<snip>
I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any reason to fire it up anymore.
Hell, even at my age I've got more memory left than it ever had! :-))
<snip>
I don't think I kept anything lower than a 486. You never know if you might need it!
I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
I have a Radio Shack Model 100, the first laptop, in the closet beside an HP-97 programmable calculator.
Bill
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell centos@celestial.com wrote:
I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
I have a Radio Shack Model 100, the first laptop, in the closet beside an HP-97 programmable calculator.
Well, all I have that foes back that far is a 2nd gen IBM PC (the 64k m/b) that would probably work if I knew where any of my 360k MS-DOS floppies were.
Wait, I have a Pascal Microengine in the garage that I never did get to boot! You know, the ones that ran on the 8" floppies, like the old Teraks we used at UCSD?
Never mind - too modern (vintage 1978-79)....
;^)
mhr
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 05:35:28PM -0700, MHR wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell centos@celestial.com wrote:
I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
I have a Radio Shack Model 100, the first laptop, in the closet beside an HP-97 programmable calculator.
Well, all I have that foes back that far is a 2nd gen IBM PC (the 64k m/b) that would probably work if I knew where any of my 360k MS-DOS floppies were.
Wait, I have a Pascal Microengine in the garage that I never did get to boot! You know, the ones that ran on the 8" floppies, like the old Teraks we used at UCSD?
Never mind - too modern (vintage 1978-79)....
I've still got the first computer I ever bought (a lot newer than the first one I ever used), a screamin' 10 Mhz XT clone with 8087 too! Last year when I fired it up it still worked, though the hard drive had bitten the dust.
And when my wife threatened, some years back, to throw out my boxes of eight inch floppies, I took 'em to work and stuck 'em under my desk for safekeeping. I swear, one of these days I'm going to find a 8" drive for them so I can read 'em in. then I can find one of those pdp-11 emulators and run RT-11 and some ancient Unix too!
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 20:47 -0400, fred smith wrote:
<snip>
I've still got the first computer I ever bought (a lot newer than the first one I ever used), a screamin' 10 Mhz XT clone with 8087 too! Last year when I fired it up it still worked, though the hard drive had bitten the dust.
And when my wife threatened, some years back, to throw out my boxes of eight inch floppies, I took 'em to work and stuck 'em under my desk for safekeeping. I swear, one of these days I'm going to find a 8" drive for them so I can read 'em in. then I can find one of those pdp-11 emulators and run RT-11 and some ancient Unix too!
IIRC, the TRS Model 16 had 8" drives. That might be a good bet.
<snip>
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:35 -0700, MHR wrote:
<snip>
Well, all I have that foes back that far is a 2nd gen IBM PC (the 64k m/b) that would probably work if I knew where any of my 360k MS-DOS floppies were.
I could make some for you. Just need to pop the drive into one of my units.
<snip>
mhr
<snip>
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell centos@celestial.com wrote:
I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
I have a Radio Shack Model 100, the first laptop, in the closet beside an HP-97 programmable calculator.
Well, all I have that foes back that far is a 2nd gen IBM PC (the 64k m/b) that would probably work if I knew where any of my 360k MS-DOS floppies were.
Wait, I have a Pascal Microengine in the garage that I never did get to boot! You know, the ones that ran on the 8" floppies, like the old Teraks we used at UCSD?
8" floppies. Now that does bring back a memory for me. I was working on a project in Texas. The customer was in Kentucky as I recall. I fixed a problem and gave an 8" floppy to our Shipping department, to send to the customer. The customer called me on the phone, to inform me that the floppy had been bent, so it would fit into the box. As I recall, it did work, after he straightened it out. For the rest of the time that I worked there, I packed things myself, before they were shipped, and that wasn't my job. I couldn't believe someone in the Shipping department was that stupid.
Never mind - too modern (vintage 1978-79)....
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008, Lanny Marcus wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell centos@celestial.com wrote:
I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
I have a Radio Shack Model 100, the first laptop, in the closet beside an HP-97 programmable calculator.
Well, all I have that foes back that far is a 2nd gen IBM PC (the 64k m/b) that would probably work if I knew where any of my 360k MS-DOS floppies were.
Wait, I have a Pascal Microengine in the garage that I never did get to boot! You know, the ones that ran on the 8" floppies, like the old Teraks we used at UCSD?
8" floppies. Now that does bring back a memory for me. I was working on a project in Texas. The customer was in Kentucky as I recall. I fixed a problem and gave an 8" floppy to our Shipping department, to send to the customer. The customer called me on the phone, to inform me that the floppy had been bent, so it would fit into the box. As I recall, it did work, after he straightened it out. For the rest of the time that I worked there, I packed things myself, before they were shipped, and that wasn't my job. I couldn't believe someone in the Shipping department was that stupid.
Never underestimate the level of stupidity/ignorance of people (after all most of the were ``educated'' in government schools :-).
When I first encountered a customer who had disk drive problems such that we replaced the 8in drives in their Radio Shack Model II several times, it wasn't until I went on-site to find that they were storing their floppies by sticking them to the file cabinet with refrigerator magnets. The amazing thing to me was that I found that this was a fairly common problem.
Then there was the person who stapled the floppy to a cover letter.
Bill
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Bill Campbell centos@celestial.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008, Lanny Marcus wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:35 PM, MHR mhullrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Bill Campbell centos@celestial.com wrote:
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Wait, I have a Pascal Microengine in the garage that I never did get to boot! You know, the ones that ran on the 8" floppies, like the old Teraks we used at UCSD?
8" floppies. Now that does bring back a memory for me. I was working on a project in Texas. The customer was in Kentucky as I recall. I fixed a problem and gave an 8" floppy to our Shipping department, to send to the customer. The customer called me on the phone, to inform me that the floppy had been bent, so it would fit into the box. As I recall, it did work, after he straightened it out. For the rest of the time that I worked there, I packed things myself, before they were shipped, and that wasn't my job. I couldn't believe someone in the Shipping department was that stupid.
Never underestimate the level of stupidity/ignorance of people (after all most of the were ``educated'' in government schools :-).
When I first encountered a customer who had disk drive problems such that we replaced the 8in drives in their Radio Shack Model II several times, it wasn't until I went on-site to find that they were storing their floppies by sticking them to the file cabinet with refrigerator magnets. The amazing thing to me was that I found that this was a fairly common problem.
Then there was the person who stapled the floppy to a cover letter.
LOL. The customer in Kentucky was very good. We shipped the system to them in a moving van (and we prayed it wouldn't be involved in an accident or fire) and they installed it. I never had to go down there. He probably hasn't forgotten the bent floppy either. Attaching the floppies with magnets is also very good..... :-)
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 11:20 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
When I first encountered a customer who had disk drive problems such that we replaced the 8in drives in their Radio Shack Model II several times, it wasn't until I went on-site to find that they were storing their floppies by sticking them to the file cabinet with refrigerator magnets. The amazing thing to me was that I found that this was a fairly common problem.
Then there was the person who stapled the floppy to a cover letter.
Just turning the machine off, with the 8" floppy still in the drive would spike the boot sector. Luckily I knew a guy that could resurrect it. That was on the IMSAI VDP-88 with voice-coil. By the time I got it, they weren't making replacement boot disks as IMSAI was long out of business. Govt. State Surplus is your friend, if you're into old iron. :) Ric
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 22:21 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 11:20 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
When I first encountered a customer who had disk drive problems such that we replaced the 8in drives in their Radio Shack Model II several times, it wasn't until I went on-site to find that they were storing their floppies by sticking them to the file cabinet with refrigerator magnets. The amazing thing to me was that I found that this was a fairly common problem.
Then there was the person who stapled the floppy to a cover letter.
Just turning the machine off, with the 8" floppy still in the drive would spike the boot sector. Luckily I knew a guy that could resurrect it. That was on the IMSAI VDP-88 with voice-coil. By the time I got it, they weren't making replacement boot disks as IMSAI was long out of business. Govt. State Surplus is your friend, if you're into old iron. :) Ric
Hmmm, Processor Technologies used to have a voice coil actuated dual drive that shared it between both drives IIRC. Interesting drive with a motorized eject, thing is you had to wait for the disk to complete eject before you grabbed it, if you grabbed it before it finished coming out the arm the pushed the disk out would jamb.
This discussion really should be on the classic computers mail list.
Hmmm 2Mhz 8080a vs 3.0Ghz Core 2 duo ... things have changed a bit on the personal computer side.
Paul
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Paul wrote:
Hmmm, Processor Technologies used to have a voice coil actuated dual drive that shared it between both drives IIRC. Interesting drive with a motorized eject, thing is you had to wait for the disk to complete eject before you grabbed it, if you grabbed it before it finished coming out the arm the pushed the disk out would jamb.
The 'Helios' -- 2300 late '70's dollars for a floppy disk drive. hmmm
As I said -- I don't miss them.
-Russ herrold
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This discussion really should be on the classic computers mail list.
Hmmm 2Mhz 8080a vs 3.0Ghz Core 2 duo ... things have changed a bit on the personal computer side.
But Windows for Workgroups 3.1 really screams on the newer hardware! ;-P
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
But Windows for Workgroups 3.1 really screams on the newer hardware! ;-P
For shame! WfW was 3.11, and it just screams, or did, or so I heard - never used it. I stuck with 3.1 until 98 was due out and then, finally, caved and bought (!) a copy of 95.
In fact, my son is still using 98, but I think I've finally convinced him to go to XP - I bought him some really neat flash drives that he really likes but that do not work with 98 at all. Heh, heh, heh,...
mhr
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:25:10 MHR wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
But Windows for Workgroups 3.1 really screams on the newer hardware! ;-P
For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
and it just screams, or did, or so I heard - never used it.
I did. It was better than 95, and better than 98 first edition.
I stuck with 3.1 until 98 was due out and then, finally, caved and bought (!) a copy of 95.
In fact, my son is still using 98, but I think I've finally convinced him to go to XP - I bought him some really neat flash drives that he really likes but that do not work with 98 at all. Heh, heh, heh,...
USB drives should work without any problem at all, assuming he is using 98SE.
They didn't work in 98 first edition, nor in NT4 or Win2000 - again, from memory, which could be faulty.
Anne
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anne Wilson cannewilson@googlemail.com wrote:
3.1.1, IIRC
Nope, 3.11.
I did. It was better than 95, and better than 98 first edition.
I was making a joke about WfW screaming.
USB drives should work without any problem at all, assuming he is using 98SE.
No, the newer generation drives, mostly 1GB and up, explicitly do not have drivers for 98SE at all. In theory, one could tweak a pre-existing driver to handle the extra memory, but in fact, a Kingston 1GB drive will not work with 98SE. That's the beauty of Windows....
They didn't work in 98 first edition, nor in NT4 or Win2000 - again, from memory, which could be faulty.
In Win2k, Micro$oft finally got up to speed and most flash drives will work with it, but XP is better.
mhr
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 19:10:32 MHR wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anne Wilson cannewilson@googlemail.com
wrote:
3.1.1, IIRC
Nope, 3.11.
You could be right.
I did. It was better than 95, and better than 98 first edition.
I was making a joke about WfW screaming.
USB drives should work without any problem at all, assuming he is using 98SE.
No, the newer generation drives, mostly 1GB and up, explicitly do not have drivers for 98SE at all. In theory, one could tweak a pre-existing driver to handle the extra memory, but in fact, a Kingston 1GB drive will not work with 98SE. That's the beauty of Windows....
Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives wouldn't have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until relatively recently.
They didn't work in 98 first edition, nor in NT4 or Win2000 - again, from memory, which could be faulty.
In Win2k, Micro$oft finally got up to speed and most flash drives will work with it, but XP is better.
Fair enough. Out of curiosity - do they work in W2K out of the box, or require some update? I ask because I'm considering W2K as a VM.
Anne
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Anne Wilson cannewilson@googlemail.com wrote:
Fair enough. Out of curiosity - do they work in W2K out of the box, or require some update? I ask because I'm considering W2K as a VM.
Ya got me there - I /think/ so, but am not sure.
mhr
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Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives wouldn't have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until relatively recently.
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:26 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
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Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives wouldn't have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until relatively recently.
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
I swear, I'll never use a word like "curmudgeon" again! Sheesh!
Anyway, 5 and 10 MB HDs were the common PC drives back in the 80s and 90s. 20MB was a *big* one. Seek (average) of > 60ms was usual and fast ones were less than that.
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On Tue, September 2, 2008 14:31, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:26 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
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Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives
wouldn't
have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until relatively recently.
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
I swear, I'll never use a word like "curmudgeon" again! Sheesh!
Anyway, 5 and 10 MB HDs were the common PC drives back in the 80s and 90s. 20MB was a *big* one. Seek (average) of > 60ms was usual and fast ones were less than that.
I got my first PC with a 20MB (Seagate ST-225) drive in 1985, they were fairly affordable by then. I don't think 5s were even still available in normal retail channels (a friend, slightly earlier, took some time looking for a 5 hoping to save some money over a 10MB that was so inconceivably big, more than he needed, but couldn't find one for sale). And that was a half-height 5.25" 20MB drive.
(Today, I couldn't fit two RAW photos from my current DSLR onto that drive. And that camera can shoot 5 frames a second and has a 19-shot internal buffer. And cost less than half what that first PC cost.)
I'm sure it was in the 80s still when I was using 30MB RLL drives.
Around 1992 I got a 40MB 5.25" full height drive in a new 386-based PC, and also my first laser printer.
By 1995 I had 3.5" 720MB drives in my PCs. In the earlier 90s I had purchased two 300MB drives, 5.25" half height (for $1500 each, sigh). Also by 1995 I had my first CD drive (not CD-R, though I went to a seminar at 3M and saw one; an external SCSI device that sold for only $15,000).
So I think you are lumping together too large a span of time to claim disk sizes were fairly stable over.
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 12:26 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
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Can't argue with you :-) It does seem likely, as 1GB flash drives wouldn't have been a possibility at that time. I never owned one at all until relatively recently.
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
I swear, I'll never use a word like "curmudgeon" again! Sheesh!
Anyway, 5 and 10 MB HDs were the common PC drives back in the 80s and 90s. 20MB was a *big* one. Seek (average) of > 60ms was usual and fast ones were less than that.
The first HDs that Radio Shack sold for their Model 16s were 8in 8MB units and the primary HD which came with the disk controller sold for about $4,500.00. This was replaced with 5.25in 12MB drives in January 1983 at the same price, about the same time that the Model 16s were replaced by the Model 6000s (I learned Xenix on these boxes). If I remember correctly, Xenix came on 3 8in 1.2MB floppies plus another for the Development System which had things like the ``vi'' editor and *roff text processing tools.
The Apple Lisa came with a 5MB drive, and also ran Xenix, although I never could figure out where they would put any data.
The Kaypro-10 was a real bargain in 1984 or so, selling for $2,500 including a hard drive, around 10MB if I remember. It ran only CP/M, but was a reasonable alternative to the IBM PC then.
Bill
Bill Campbell wrote:
Anyway, 5 and 10 MB HDs were the common PC drives back in the 80s and 90s. 20MB was a *big* one. Seek (average) of > 60ms was usual and fast ones were less than that.
The first HDs that Radio Shack sold for their Model 16s were 8in 8MB units and the primary HD which came with the disk controller sold for about $4,500.00.
Which makes an interesting contrast to the 8 GB micro-sd cards (about $45?) that a typical phone will take these days...
This was replaced with 5.25in 12MB drives in January 1983 at the same price, about the same time that the Model 16s were replaced by the Model 6000s (I learned Xenix on these boxes). If I remember correctly, Xenix came on 3 8in 1.2MB floppies plus another for the Development System which had things like the ``vi'' editor and *roff text processing tools.
Once upon a time, these were the biggest installed base of any unix-like system. I guess we had a lot of patience back then - and not much data.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
I still have a few - a 20MB Tulin TL225 that was HUGE when it first came out, and a couple of Seagates, one is 120MB and one is 512MB. Oh, and I almost forgot my Priam 780 FULL height 320MB drive, and I think I may have a couple of Maxtor 140MB drives, too. I also have a pile of five or six 4-8GB hard drives.
I should be putting these up for auction on eBay in the not too distant future - they all work, but they take up a fair amount of space. Feel free to look aorund and buy, if you like dinosaurs, doorstops and other old stuff....
;^)
mhr
on 9-2-2008 1:44 PM MHR spake the following:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Scott Silva ssilva-m4n3GYAQT2lWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org wrote:
I remember when 1 GB *hard* drives didn't exist!
I still have a few - a 20MB Tulin TL225 that was HUGE when it first came out, and a couple of Seagates, one is 120MB and one is 512MB. Oh, and I almost forgot my Priam 780 FULL height 320MB drive, and I think I may have a couple of Maxtor 140MB drives, too. I also have a pile of five or six 4-8GB hard drives.
I should be putting these up for auction on eBay in the not too distant future - they all work, but they take up a fair amount of space. Feel free to look aorund and buy, if you like dinosaurs, doorstops and other old stuff....
;^)
mhr
I still have a pair of 40 MB MFM half-height 5.25" drives in the garage somewhere. I don't think I have an interface card even if I cared what was on them. Probably DOS 3.3 and Wordperfect 5 and some old college papers.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
on 9-2-2008 1:44 PM MHR spake the following:
I still have a pair of 40 MB MFM half-height 5.25" drives in the garage somewhere. I don't think I have an interface card even if I cared what was on them. Probably DOS 3.3 and Wordperfect 5 and some old college papers.
I have a 286-based system (might be 386 - not sure) that ran last time I turned it on, and it has my ST506 MFM controller in it with a full height Maxtor 140MB drive in it running DOS 3.3 (I think). I don't think I've turned it on in the last ten years or so - can't remember.
Wait - I've got a better one!
Way back in 1981, I bought a Commodore 64 with disk drive and everything, and my wife used it for a while to write a bunch of stuff, which we saved onto floppy. We wound up taking the thing back because there was a really nasty bug in the 64's OS (or something) that would kill the machine and lose all data under certain, not too hard to reproduce, circumstances.
In 2002, after much pleading from the other half, I got a 1541 disk drive and a PC <-> 1541 data transfer cable from a gent in Hungary (who makes them, relatively cheap) and restored ALL those files from the C-64 onto my Win 98 PC. It was instructive, amusing, and I'll never (have to) do that again!
Unless someone needs some old C-64 files recovered, for a fee, of course....
Uh oh, my fingers are seizing up - yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
;^)
mhr
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 19:55 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 19:10:32 MHR wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anne Wilson cannewilson@googlemail.com
wrote:
3.1.1, IIRC
Nope, 3.11.
You could be right.
He is, we had a PC running it (WfW 3.11) till just this year on the shop floor, I have the disks stored away just in case. We also still use POWERLan for shop floor system, thankfully the company released it as freeware back in 1998 when they decided it was not worth their time to certify it as Y2K compliant. Shame they did not release the source code ... I for one would be happy to have it.
Paul
For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups. The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 bit protected mode implementation of the network stack and file system via extensive use of VxD drivers, and set the stage for Windows95 where almost the whole OS kernel ran in VxD space (prior versions used 16bit realmode IO components from MSDOS).
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups. The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 bit protected mode implementation of the network stack and file system via extensive use of VxD drivers, and set the stage for Windows95 where almost the whole OS kernel ran in VxD space (prior versions used 16bit realmode IO components from MSDOS).
Anyone ever see wabi running win3.1 under Linux?? THAT was a show stopper. It came with Caldera's releases. Mighty nifty it was. Ric
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008, Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups. The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 bit protected mode implementation of the network stack and file system via extensive use of VxD drivers, and set the stage for Windows95 where almost the whole OS kernel ran in VxD space (prior versions used 16bit realmode IO components from MSDOS).
Anyone ever see wabi running win3.1 under Linux?? THAT was a show stopper. It came with Caldera's releases. Mighty nifty it was. Ric
I don't think I ever ran Wabi on Caldera, but did on SCO OpenServer 5.0.x.
Whatcha doin' over here Ric? Normally I see you on the linux-sxs list.
Bill
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 09:38 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008, Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups. The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 bit protected mode implementation of the network stack and file system via extensive use of VxD drivers, and set the stage for Windows95 where almost the whole OS kernel ran in VxD space (prior versions used 16bit realmode IO components from MSDOS).
Anyone ever see wabi running win3.1 under Linux?? THAT was a show stopper. It came with Caldera's releases. Mighty nifty it was. Ric
I don't think I ever ran Wabi on Caldera, but did on SCO OpenServer 5.0.x.
Whatcha doin' over here Ric? Normally I see you on the linux-sxs list.
I fled my harsh mistress Fedora! It's not a platform to try and do devel work on, or as a server. I need the quiet sedate life where things work today like they did yesterday. <grins> I'll certainly live longer. No clue how, why or who, but Xvfb refused to work with F7 and with CentOS it works like a charm, out of the box, with java.net's Wonderland program. No clue why, but if it breaks in the future, I'll know where upstream it came from. <cackles> Ric
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 10:11:26PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 09:38 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008, Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 11:19 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
For shame! WfW was 3.11,
3.1.1, IIRC
actually, there was a 3.10 and 3.11 release of Windows for Workgroups. The 3.11 release introduced the use of 32 bit protected mode implementation of the network stack and file system via extensive use of VxD drivers, and set the stage for Windows95 where almost the whole OS kernel ran in VxD space (prior versions used 16bit realmode IO components from MSDOS).
Anyone ever see wabi running win3.1 under Linux?? THAT was a show stopper. It came with Caldera's releases. Mighty nifty it was. Ric
I don't think I ever ran Wabi on Caldera, but did on SCO OpenServer 5.0.x.
Whatcha doin' over here Ric? Normally I see you on the linux-sxs list.
I fled my harsh mistress Fedora! It's not a platform to try and do devel work on, or as a server. I need the quiet sedate life where things work today like they did yesterday. <grins> I'll certainly live longer. No clue how, why or who, but Xvfb refused to work with F7 and with CentOS it works like a charm, out of the box, with java.net's Wonderland program. No clue why, but if it breaks in the future, I'll know where upstream it came from. <cackles> Ric
Welcome to CentOS-land, Ric!
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8" floppies. Now that does bring back a memory for me. I was working on a project in Texas. The customer was in Kentucky as I recall. I fixed a problem and gave an 8" floppy to our Shipping department, to send to the customer. The customer called me on the phone, to inform me that the floppy had been bent, so it would fit into the box. As I recall, it did work, after he straightened it out. For the rest of the time that I worked there, I packed things myself, before they were shipped, and that wasn't my job. I couldn't believe someone in the Shipping department was that stupid.
Are you kidding? The shipping and the mailroom departments are usually the first place that get their budgets cut. That is where every bodies kids get summer jobs, and are often very transient in employment.
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:27 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
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I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
For shame, for shame! You should have known better! ;-)
Regardless, I was getting readdy to discard these when I saw your post. If you need some spares, I've got 1 each 360KB and 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drives that still worked last I used them. One might have come out of a TRS-80 I had when they were a "hot" item - I'm not sure. Also a box full of media for them (a couple hundred?) untested but some may still work.
Let me know. I really hate throwing away something, that's still perfectly useful, just because the world has passed it by. Hmm ... might be something empathetic in that.
I have a Radio Shack Model 100, the first laptop, in the closet beside an HP-97 programmable calculator.
Bill
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:27 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
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I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
For shame, for shame! You should have known better! ;-)
Regardless, I was getting readdy to discard these when I saw your post. If you need some spares, I've got 1 each 360KB and 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drives that still worked last I used them. One might have come out of a TRS-80 I had when they were a "hot" item - I'm not sure. Also a box full of media for them (a couple hundred?) untested but some may still work.
I too have a room full of old stuff including floppy drives, EISA network and SCSI cards, 3 Telebit WorldBlazers and 1 TrailBlazer, Xenix 2.3.4 and SCO 3.2v4.2 boxes that still boot if necessary.
Being a pack rat does occassionally pay off. I got an e-mail from a person who had bought my old Hawke DL-9 Formula Ford to go vintage car racing, and I still have the original paperwork when I imported it from England, letters from the designer, etc. which provides provenance going back to the factory. I raced this car from 1972 through 1977 on the east coast, and now it's about two hours north of me in Surrey B.C. -- small world eh?
http://www.celestial.com/Members/bill/images/hawke_DL9_01.jpg/view
FWIW, I even have lug nuts for a Lotus 41-C Formula car in my tool box dating back to 1968 which predates any of my computer bits.
Bill
on 8-29-2008 9:04 AM Bill Campbell spake the following:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:27 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
<snip> I still have a Tandy 4000, 386-16 no cache, that is used occassionally to program EPROMS. This same machine ran Xenix for years before being abused by installing DR-DOS on it.
For shame, for shame! You should have known better! ;-)
Regardless, I was getting readdy to discard these when I saw your post. If you need some spares, I've got 1 each 360KB and 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drives that still worked last I used them. One might have come out of a TRS-80 I had when they were a "hot" item - I'm not sure. Also a box full of media for them (a couple hundred?) untested but some may still work.
I too have a room full of old stuff including floppy drives, EISA network and SCSI cards, 3 Telebit WorldBlazers and 1 TrailBlazer, Xenix 2.3.4 and SCO 3.2v4.2 boxes that still boot if necessary.
Being a pack rat does occassionally pay off. I got an e-mail from a person who had bought my old Hawke DL-9 Formula Ford to go vintage car racing, and I still have the original paperwork when I imported it from England, letters from the designer, etc. which provides provenance going back to the factory. I raced this car from 1972 through 1977 on the east coast, and now it's about two hours north of me in Surrey B.C. -- small world eh?
http://www.celestial.com/Members/bill/images/hawke_DL9_01.jpg/view
FWIW, I even have lug nuts for a Lotus 41-C Formula car in my tool box dating back to 1968 which predates any of my computer bits.
Bill
Ok... You win! ;-P
The oldest thing in my toolbox is an axle nut wrench for a 65 VW that my ex. had. Funny that the ex has been gone for 20 years, but the tool is still in my toolbox. But then the tool didn't jump from "car to car" like the ex did!
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 16:57 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
on 8-28-2008 4:15 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:50 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:
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I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any reason to fire it up anymore.
Hell, even at my age I've got more memory left than it ever had! :-))
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I don't think I kept anything lower than a 486. You never know if you might need it!
I have a 486DX fully configured and ready to step in as my fallback IPCop gateway if the primary should fail. The primary is a 200MHz Pentium. With the 10Mbit ethernet cards and standard Road Runner cable modem service, it used to get about 600MB/sec. The 486 would do about 75% of that (450MB/sec). A good enough backup I think.
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any
three words: Processor Tech Sol
-- Russ herrold
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:58 PM, R P Herrold herrold@owlriver.com wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any
three words: Processor Tech Sol
-- Russ herrold
Ahh, I was waiting for you to show up. OK, everyone, if you are trying to show your age, stop now -- because no one can win orc_orc (Russ, our CentOS dev).
Akemi
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Akemi Yagi wrote:
three words: Processor Tech Sol
-- Russ herrold
Ahh, I was waiting for you to show up. OK, everyone, if you are trying to show your age, stop now -- because no one can win orc_orc (Russ, our CentOS dev).
Actually from slightly before that era, I also have a functional Intel 4004 I wire-wrapped, and a MEK-6800 eval kit [256 bytes of ram] as well, but these require a switch and light harness, or an ASR-33 teletype with paper tape reader, respectively, for me to fire up that I have long since parted with.
-- Russ herrold
R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Akemi Yagi wrote:
three words: Processor Tech Sol
-- Russ herrold
Ahh, I was waiting for you to show up. OK, everyone, if you are trying to show your age, stop now -- because no one can win orc_orc (Russ, our CentOS dev).
Actually from slightly before that era, I also have a functional Intel 4004 I wire-wrapped, and a MEK-6800 eval kit [256 bytes of ram] as well, but these require a switch and light harness, or an ASR-33 teletype with paper tape reader, respectively, for me to fire up that I have long since parted with.
-- Russ herrold
We might be entering "first liar don't have a chance" territory here. Do you remember where you were when Kennedy was shot? I was in the last Ramac 305 class ever held, on lunch break and had watched the motorcade pass from a lunchroom window. Needless to say, we didn't talk about triggers, cathode followers or "bit carries" (deliver me!) in class that afternoon. It has been an interesting trip, eh?
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Robert wrote:
We might be entering "first liar don't have a chance" territory here. Do you remember where you were when Kennedy was shot?
sadly, yes
I was in the last Ramac 305 class ever held, on lunch break and had watched the motorcade pass from a lunchroom window. Needless to say, we didn't talk about triggers, cathode followers or "bit carries" (deliver me!) in class that afternoon. It has been an interesting trip, eh?
Reading closely the rest of the thread, I 'programmed' plugboards on 5xx series unit record machines, ran 026, 027, and 029's; ran the 13 pocket sorter; later wrote tape and print spooling deivers for our 1401, and all that. I don't miss them either.
you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still in my twenties.
- R
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, R P Herrold herrold@owlriver.com wrote:
you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still in my twenties.
Face it. Your golden buckeye card has a registration number of 1. you cannot escape this fact, no matter how much single-malt confusion you pour on the truth. :-P
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jim Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, R P Herrold herrold@owlriver.com wrote:
you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still in my twenties.
Face it. Your golden buckeye card has a registration number of 1. you cannot escape this fact, no matter how much single-malt confusion you pour on the truth. :-P
Just because I was THERE when the last Gov. James A Rhodes first announced the program is no reason to get snippy with me, you young whippersnapper ;)
hmmm ... there is a commorative clay tablet pictograph somewhere back behind the aging single malt casks in the caves -- I'll look for it
- R
on 8-29-2008 9:47 AM R P Herrold spake the following:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jim Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, R P Herrold herrold@owlriver.com wrote:
you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still in my twenties.
Face it. Your golden buckeye card has a registration number of 1. you cannot escape this fact, no matter how much single-malt confusion you pour on the truth. :-P
Just because I was THERE when the last Gov. James A Rhodes first announced the program is no reason to get snippy with me, you young whippersnapper ;)
hmmm ... there is a commorative clay tablet pictograph somewhere back behind the aging single malt casks in the caves -- I'll look for it
- R
Wow! ... OK where were you during the Gettysburg address! ;-)
CentOS must be running really good for everyone as this which is now the 'oldest thread that already should have died' seems to keep interrupting my normally busy CentOS mailbox. :( And you really don't want me to start into old......
Can we get back to the regularly scheduled program please?
Best, John Hinton
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:56 AM, John Hinton webmaster@ew3d.com wrote:
CentOS must be running really good for everyone as this which is now the 'oldest thread that already should have died' seems to keep interrupting my normally busy CentOS mailbox. :( And you really don't want me to start into old......
Can we get back to the regularly scheduled program please?
Hey, sit back and learn! Haven't you ever been told to listen to your grandfather's stories?
I'm too young to compete with these old folks - all of my hardware is younger than Jim.
mhr
John Hinton wrote:
CentOS must be running really good for everyone as this which is now the 'oldest thread that already should have died' seems to keep interrupting my normally busy CentOS mailbox. :( And you really don't want me to start into old......
Can we get back to the regularly scheduled program please?
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AS the OP I will add a last note, I recently got rid of my first *nix system - a Cromemco that supported 2 terminals, it had 64k of memory for the OS and then needed another 64k card for each terminal, ran Cromix as operatinf system very *nix like - tar cpio etc etc. !0MB hard disk and 2 8" floppies for backup. The last thing to go was a Mannesman printer that was in service for 20+ years before quitting.
On the toolbox theme I have all the bits plus some of a 1930/1 model A ford waiting for me to find time to rebuild / retore it.
ChrisG
Wow! ... OK where were you during the Gettysburg address! ;-)
Fourth row, just left of center from his point of view. They man dribbled spittle when he got going.
Oldest I have for the crew is paper-tape. The new 'cruits around here ask how to do a backup to paper tape.
Daniel
On Fri, August 29, 2008 07:58, R P Herrold wrote:
Reading closely the rest of the thread, I 'programmed' plugboards on 5xx series unit record machines, ran 026, 027, and 029's; ran the 13 pocket sorter; later wrote tape and print spooling deivers for our 1401, and all that. I don't miss them either.
The first place I worked had a card-sorter and one plug-programmable device that I never programmed. I really should have, but I was busy learning other things, and didn't quite notice that it was the tail end of a dying era and I could get an amusing punch on my ticket. I'm not even sure what it did exactly any more; it wasn't the tabulator because it didn't have a printer.
you win ;) -- I don't want to be older, and in my head, I'm still in my twenties.
Oh yes. Very definitely.
R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, William L. Maltby wrote:
PIKER! I've mobos still running (when I fire 'em up). Although I'm seriously considering ditching the 386SX with Win 3.11. Don't find any
three words: Processor Tech Sol
Two words: Compulsive Hoarders.
All of you!
Cheers,
Ralph
On Thu, August 28, 2008 17:50, Scott Silva wrote:
<snip> > > You do realize I'm one of the "squirts" you're referring to right? > I started working with computers in more than just a 'hey, I need to > write this paper' sort of way around 1995. The *first* CPU I used was > a pentium (though this is not the oldest, as I developed a fondness > for antiques). > > So you geezers can just put the token ring down, and step away from > the thin-net. Oh.. and get off my lawn! :-P
I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
I just took one down off the server shelf last week, finishing the decommissioning process. It hasn't made it out to the garage yet.
I've also still got a laptop that's probably older than him. It runs CP/M.
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 10:51 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
On Thu, August 28, 2008 17:50, Scott Silva wrote:
<snip> > > You do realize I'm one of the "squirts" you're referring to right? > I started working with computers in more than just a 'hey, I need to > write this paper' sort of way around 1995. The *first* CPU I used was > a pentium (though this is not the oldest, as I developed a fondness > for antiques). > > So you geezers can just put the token ring down, and step away from > the thin-net. Oh.. and get off my lawn! :-P
I have motherboards in my garage older than you! ;-D
I just took one down off the server shelf last week, finishing the decommissioning process. It hasn't made it out to the garage yet.
I've also still got a laptop that's probably older than him. It runs CP/M.
I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three IMSAI's. a VDP-80 and two VDP-44's. I think I had every Televideo ever made, including the luggable and the server that ran MP/M. Altos, Osborn, and a bunch of others. Man, think of what CP/M could do running on a Pentium. <grins> Ric
On Sun, August 31, 2008 04:03, Ric Moore wrote:
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 10:51 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
I've also still got a laptop that's probably older than him. It runs CP/M.
I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three IMSAI's. a VDP-80 and two VDP-44's. I think I had every Televideo ever made, including the luggable and the server that ran MP/M. Altos, Osborn, and a bunch of others. Man, think of what CP/M could do running on a Pentium. <grins> Ric
I got into the home computing scene late (the systems at work were so much more powerful and attractive, and it was normal to play with them for personal use). But I've still got my very first computer, a DEC VT-180 "Robin" (a VT-100 terminal with a CP/M board in the card cage, and an external pair of 5.25" floppies; mine actually has two pair of floppies, and they've been upgraded to 400kb or some such).
The laptop is an Epson PX-8. Software resided on PROM chips on little carriers. It had a built-in microcassette drive for data storage.
Ric Moore wrote:
I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three IMSAI's....
ok, now you've done it.
lets play "Name that old computer!"
http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jp...
(my office circa 1979)
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:32 AM, John R Pierce pierce@hogranch.com wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three IMSAI's....
ok, now you've done it. lets play "Name that old computer!" http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jp... (my office circa 1979)
Circa 1979? Yesterday, I spoke with a man I worked with in 1978 - 1979. To my astonishment, the customer (DoD) is still using one of the systems I worked on then. They are paying a company to upgrade the Software, as they upgrade the Hardware. I am probably one of a few people who can understand the original Assembly language code written years ago for that.
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
I once had a pretty large collection of CP/M machines. I had three IMSAI's....
ok, now you've done it.
lets play "Name that old computer!"
http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jp...
(my office circa 1979)
I spy with my little eye a televideo 803 terminal, and what looks like a hazeltine terminal, but the one at the chair with the square front I don't recognize. The blue one, an IMSAI 8080? Under it DEC? To the far left a televideo 1603? How many points do I get? :) Ric
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
lets play "Name that old computer!"
http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jp...
(my office circa 1979)
I spy with my little eye a televideo 803 terminal, and what looks like a hazeltine terminal, but the one at the chair with the square front I don't recognize. The blue one, an IMSAI 8080? Under it DEC? To the far left a televideo 1603? How many points do I get? :) Ric
the far right bottom beige unit is a Cromemco System Three beast, and the blue box above it is an Intel MDS800
the "terminal" on top of the Vector MZ in the middle background was just a crt+keyboard, attached to said Vector MZ's internal video card
I'm pretty sure the big square terminal in the middle foreground behind the phone is a Soroc (anagram for Coors)
The terminal on the table to the left was a Televideo, I dont remember the number, and the computer next to it is a early sample of a Tarbell S100 system.
All of these ran CP/M-80, as I was working at Digital Research on CP/M innards. Most of them had the max 64kbyte memory their 2 or 4Mhz 8 bit CPUs could address, and 2 or 4 diskette drives that held anywhere from 256K to 1MB each.
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 00:37 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 09:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
lets play "Name that old computer!"
http://hogranch.com/digital.research/My_office_upstairs_at_734_Lighthouse.jp...
(my office circa 1979)
I spy with my little eye a televideo 803 terminal, and what looks like a hazeltine terminal, but the one at the chair with the square front I don't recognize. The blue one, an IMSAI 8080? Under it DEC? To the far left a televideo 1603? How many points do I get? :) Ric
the far right bottom beige unit is a Cromemco System Three beast, and the blue box above it is an Intel MDS800
the "terminal" on top of the Vector MZ in the middle background was just a crt+keyboard, attached to said Vector MZ's internal video card
I'm pretty sure the big square terminal in the middle foreground behind the phone is a Soroc (anagram for Coors)
The terminal on the table to the left was a Televideo, I dont remember the number, and the computer next to it is a early sample of a Tarbell S100 system.
All of these ran CP/M-80, as I was working at Digital Research on CP/M innards. Most of them had the max 64kbyte memory their 2 or 4Mhz 8 bit CPUs could address, and 2 or 4 diskette drives that held anywhere from
Nice! Let me know when you clean out your garage! Remember Irv Hoff?? Imp? Best little telecom program ever written. I decided, out of the blue, to call him and thank him for his work. He was dying of cancer, he said, and what was really sad was that he said no one had called him for quite a while. I got his home number out of some of his docs. A few weeks later, he died. He did a bunch of good, died by himself. Sad. Ric
Ric Moore wrote:
Nice! Let me know when you clean out your garage! Remember Irv Hoff?? Imp? Best little telecom program ever written.
Do you think this conversation might have lost context on the CentOS list ? I am sure there is much amusement to be had catching up with a lot of this, but might I suggest you do this in private email rather than here on this list ?
Thanks.
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 03:36 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
Nice! Let me know when you clean out your garage! Remember Irv Hoff?? Imp? Best little telecom program ever written.
Do you think this conversation might have lost context on the CentOS list ? I am sure there is much amusement to be had catching up with a lot of this, but might I suggest you do this in private email rather than here on this list ?
You can suggest all you like. :) Have a nice day. Ric
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
On Wed, August 27, 2008 14:19, William L. Maltby wrote:
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 20:13 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
From reading your many and interesting posts to this list I realize that we must be contemporaries (possibly I started programming before you - circa 1963 on a ICL1500 aka RCA 301 in assembler or directly punching machine code into punch cards).
Yep. I had my 1st professional job in 1969. I was in the "modern" age, S360 stuff was the equipment then. The punch cards were still there, made on 026 and 029 card punches and read by MFCMs to load programs into IBM's DOS.
I guess we're both old enough to fill in for JP when the resident curmudgeon is not on-list. ;-)
You can list me as a backup curmudgeon as well :-).
Started being paid to write software in 1969, for an IBM 1401. 026 and 029 card punches for me, too; I preferred the keyboard touch on the 026 by quite a lot. 14" five platter removable pack disk drives that stored...around 1.5MB if I'm remembering right (can't seem to find the info online quickly, either; might be as high as 2MB).
I started in 1966 on a Bendix G-20, graduating to the Burroughs B-5500 thence to the Burroughs Medium Systems, B-2500->B-4800.
Burroughs MCP (Master Control Program) ran circles around IBM's OS-3xx, and didn't require an army of support people to debug JCL and keep the thing running (sorta like the industry that exists to clean up after the Microsoft Virus, Windows, today).
We had an IBM 1130 for about a year, with a 1MB disk pack, about the size of a pizza box, and 8K words of magnetic core memory.
I don't think I still remember much about how to make drum cards, though. I *do* have some cards from back then out near my computer at home; found them cleaning out some stuff, and could quite bear to just dump them, so they're kicking around.
Making the multi-program drum cards was a bit nasty with multi-punching so I wrote an assembly program for the IBM 1130 that would read two program-1 cards, shift the second's codes appropriately, then punch multi-program cards. I had another assembly program that would detect blank cards, selecting them to the alternate hopper making it easy to recover the blanks that people left lying around the key punches (there was a period during the 1970s when punch cards got very expensive and in rather short supply).
Bill
On Thu, August 28, 2008 13:14, Bill Campbell wrote:
I started in 1966 on a Bendix G-20, graduating to the Burroughs B-5500 thence to the Burroughs Medium Systems, B-2500->B-4800.
Burroughs MCP (Master Control Program) ran circles around IBM's OS-3xx, and didn't require an army of support people to debug JCL and keep the thing running (sorta like the industry that exists to clean up after the Microsoft Virus, Windows, today).
I have the impression (never worked with it myself) that the B5500 was a classic, and Burroughs generally had some very good stuff going on.
We had an IBM 1130 for about a year, with a 1MB disk pack, about the size of a pizza box, and 8K words of magnetic core memory.
I played with an 1130 across the river at St. Olaf College, as well as two 1620s (our highschool actually had a 1620 in 1968, and they hadn't just gotten it then).
I don't think I still remember much about how to make drum cards, though. I *do* have some cards from back then out near my computer at home; found them cleaning out some stuff, and could quite bear to just dump them, so they're kicking around.
Making the multi-program drum cards was a bit nasty with multi-punching so I wrote an assembly program for the IBM 1130 that would read two program-1 cards, shift the second's codes appropriately, then punch multi-program cards.
Couldn't do that on the 1620 or the 1401, so I had to deal with them by hand.
I had another assembly program that would detect blank cards, selecting them to the alternate hopper making it easy to recover the blanks that people left lying around the key punches (there was a period during the 1970s when punch cards got very expensive and in rather short supply).
I wrote a program for the 1401 (to control the 1402) that would take cards from reader and punch and merge them in a defined sequence into the middle output hopper, which was selectable from both sides. The purpose being to create complexly striped decks from colored cards.
Luckily cards never got scarce while I was still using them. We were pretty thorougly off cards by 1976, though.
I moved to DEC hardware -- PDP-11 (running RSTS), and then when I graduated from college I moved to a DECSYSTEM-20 site, and then into DEC's field software support organization, and then into their engineering organization in Marlboro MA.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Chris Geldenhuis chris.gelden@iafrica.com wrote:
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the quick response - I did try to format with dvd+rw tools but also got a respnse that the media was not recordable. AFAIK it should not be required.
I usually use K3B for all my CD and DVD recording needs - it works nicely, even under GNOME (I don't use KDE).
I've never had a problem like the one you describe, but I've upgraded to each new CentOS release fairly quickly, so I'm on 5.2, and that might be better.
The one problem I did have with a "new" DVD burner was that it would only write at 2.47x at the fastest, and it was supposed to be a 20x drive. The manufacturer suggested I RMA it, which I will if I ever get around to taking it out and putting in a (different, known good) one.
I also have mplayer/mencoder installed (and vobcopy and a few others), so I don't know if any of them might be involved peripherally, dragging in a more recent module from rpmforge, but I'm thinking you could try K3B and not lose anything if it works.
HTH
mhr
On Wednesday 27 August 2008 20:27:15 MHR wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Chris Geldenhuis
chris.gelden@iafrica.com wrote:
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the quick response - I did try to format with dvd+rw tools but also got a respnse that the media was not recordable. AFAIK it should not be required.
I usually use K3B for all my CD and DVD recording needs - it works nicely, even under GNOME (I don't use KDE).
I've never had a problem like the one you describe, but I've upgraded to each new CentOS release fairly quickly, so I'm on 5.2, and that might be better.
The one problem I did have with a "new" DVD burner was that it would only write at 2.47x at the fastest, and it was supposed to be a 20x drive. The manufacturer suggested I RMA it, which I will if I ever get around to taking it out and putting in a (different, known good) one.
I also have mplayer/mencoder installed (and vobcopy and a few others), so I don't know if any of them might be involved peripherally, dragging in a more recent module from rpmforge, but I'm thinking you could try K3B and not lose anything if it works.
One question to Chris - did you click on the status bar where you need to change the disk type?
Anne
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 27 August 2008 20:27:15 MHR wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Chris Geldenhuis
chris.gelden@iafrica.com wrote:
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the quick response - I did try to format with dvd+rw tools but also got a respnse that the media was not recordable. AFAIK it should not be required.
I usually use K3B for all my CD and DVD recording needs - it works nicely, even under GNOME (I don't use KDE).
I've never had a problem like the one you describe, but I've upgraded to each new CentOS release fairly quickly, so I'm on 5.2, and that might be better.
The one problem I did have with a "new" DVD burner was that it would only write at 2.47x at the fastest, and it was supposed to be a 20x drive. The manufacturer suggested I RMA it, which I will if I ever get around to taking it out and putting in a (different, known good) one.
I also have mplayer/mencoder installed (and vobcopy and a few others), so I don't know if any of them might be involved peripherally, dragging in a more recent module from rpmforge, but I'm thinking you could try K3B and not lose anything if it works.
One question to Chris - did you click on the status bar where you need to change the disk type?
Anne
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Hi Anne,
I was using growisofs on the command line - thanks for the response.
ChrisG.
MHR wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Chris Geldenhuis chris.gelden@iafrica.com wrote:
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the quick response - I did try to format with dvd+rw tools but also got a respnse that the media was not recordable. AFAIK it should not be required.
I usually use K3B for all my CD and DVD recording needs - it works nicely, even under GNOME (I don't use KDE).
I've never had a problem like the one you describe, but I've upgraded to each new CentOS release fairly quickly, so I'm on 5.2, and that might be better.
The one problem I did have with a "new" DVD burner was that it would only write at 2.47x at the fastest, and it was supposed to be a 20x drive. The manufacturer suggested I RMA it, which I will if I ever get around to taking it out and putting in a (different, known good) one.
I also have mplayer/mencoder installed (and vobcopy and a few others), so I don't know if any of them might be involved peripherally, dragging in a more recent module from rpmforge, but I'm thinking you could try K3B and not lose anything if it works.
HTH
mhr _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hi Mark,
I will try using the new drive in one of my 5.2 servers over the weekend - I do not have time during working hours today.
I do not seem to have K3B on my system - where do I find it.
Thanks for the response
ChrisG
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:00 AM, Chris Geldenhuis chris.gelden@iafrica.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
I will try using the new drive in one of my 5.2 servers over the weekend - I do not have time during working hours today.
I do not seem to have K3B on my system - where do I find it.
yum install k3b should do it - it's part of the KDE (but you can use it under GNOME, too).
mhr
Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
William L. Maltby wrote:
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:38 +0200, Chris Geldenhuis wrote:
Hi,
I am running Centos 4 (fully updated on this box).
I removed the old DVD writer (/dev/hdc) and installed a new LG GH20 "Internal Super Multi DVD Rewriter" with a SATA interface - this shows up as /dev/scd0.
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Hi All,
The solution to the problem (following the good advice received on this list) turned out to be:
1. Doing a clean install of CentOS 5 on a server and updating to latest state:
Linux sable.cg-a.co.za 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5 #1 SMP Tue Aug 5 07:42:41 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2. Using k3b - when doing this, do not select the "New data DVD project" option as this will not allow you to add the +-8GB iso file. Instead double click on the iso file and then on start.
3. Interestingly when this is done as root an error message:
:-( unable to anonymously nmap 33554432: Resource temporarily unavailable Fatal error at startup: Resource temporarily unavailable
is output and the process stops.
4. When running k3b as a normal user the process completes and the DVD is usable.
5. I am certain that it will also work using growidofs on the command line with the same options that k3b generates (although I have not verified this).
6. None of the above worked on my fully updated CentOS 4 box (it may have something to do with its being DOM0 for my virtual servers).
Regards
ChrisG
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