On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rudi Ahlers Rudi@softdux.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Brian Mathis brian.mathis+centos@betteradmin.com wrote:
Rudi,
Cut the crap. You're intentionally changing the context of the discussion, so please stop posting. No one has "demanded" that the Devs send an email every time they take a shi^H^H^H^H^H^H^H make a cup of coffee, as you have said. In fact no one has "demanded" anything. Requests, yes. A post once in a while with some real information (other than "we're working on it") would be nice.
Also I don't see any comments demanding anyone do anyone else's work for them. Again, you have twisted the conversation to become more of a flamefest by making things up that are not true. Not one post has "demanded" anything.
Everyone is here because they care about the project. That's what is constantly missing in the replies by those who continue to browbeat and deride anyone simply looking for information. It's a symptom of a deeper problem that will only be made worse by that kind of treatment.
// Brian Mathis
Brian, since you take it so personal, you should cut the crap. And grow up.
Have you actually followed, properly, what has been said the past few weeks about the last updates (i.e. 4.9 / 5.6 & 6.0?) about people leaving CentOS cause other products are better and how the devs should step up to keep up with the rest of the world?
I personally, as well as many others (looking at their comments) are more than happy to wait for the next release - exactly when it released. I rely on CentOS for one reason - it's stability and security. I don't want a half-ass-baked distro.And I frankly don't care what you think about it. If you don't like it, then move on. Get RedHat, or Novell or Debian, or whatever fits your needs. BUT PLEASE, stop putting extra pressure on the devs cause you have some personal vendetta against how quickly they release their updates. Surely, when you started using CentOS, you knew exactly what it was and what it's relationship was with it's upstream vendor. Now, due to their changes, CentOS updates gets delayed. Live with it, or get in touch with Red Hat and take it out on them.
The last thing I want to see if CentOS coming to a grinding halt because the demand for half-tested-and-released-too-soon-releases and everyone want an update every 5 days have become too so great the devs can't get to doing their work properly anymore.
I really have no way to respond to such a thorough misreading of what I have said. I don't even know where to begin.
For everything you claim I have said I have in fact said the exact opposite. I have no idea where you get the idea of lumping me in with those throwing a tizzy about the releases not being ready.
The only thing I have said is that if we want these weekly threads to stop there needs to be better communication. How that translates in your head as me and everyone else "demanding" all sorts of things, pressuring the project, or wanting premature releases is simply beyond any ability of reasonable thought.
// Brian Mathis
P.S. I do take it very personally when someone mis-characterizes something I have said.
Le 05/04/2011 02:24, Brian Mathis a écrit :
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rudi AhlersRudi@softdux.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Brian Mathis brian.mathis+centos@betteradmin.com wrote:
Rudi,
Cut the crap. You're intentionally changing the context of the discussion, so please stop posting. No one has "demanded" that the Devs send an email every time they take a shi^H^H^H^H^H^H^H make a cup of coffee, as you have said. In fact no one has "demanded" anything. Requests, yes. A post once in a while with some real information (other than "we're working on it") would be nice.
Also I don't see any comments demanding anyone do anyone else's work for them. Again, you have twisted the conversation to become more of a flamefest by making things up that are not true. Not one post has "demanded" anything.
Everyone is here because they care about the project. That's what is constantly missing in the replies by those who continue to browbeat and deride anyone simply looking for information. It's a symptom of a deeper problem that will only be made worse by that kind of treatment.
// Brian Mathis
Brian, since you take it so personal, you should cut the crap. And grow up.
Have you actually followed, properly, what has been said the past few weeks about the last updates (i.e. 4.9 / 5.6& 6.0?) about people leaving CentOS cause other products are better and how the devs should step up to keep up with the rest of the world?
I personally, as well as many others (looking at their comments) are more than happy to wait for the next release - exactly when it released. I rely on CentOS for one reason - it's stability and security. I don't want a half-ass-baked distro.And I frankly don't care what you think about it. If you don't like it, then move on. Get RedHat, or Novell or Debian, or whatever fits your needs. BUT PLEASE, stop putting extra pressure on the devs cause you have some personal vendetta against how quickly they release their updates. Surely, when you started using CentOS, you knew exactly what it was and what it's relationship was with it's upstream vendor. Now, due to their changes, CentOS updates gets delayed. Live with it, or get in touch with Red Hat and take it out on them.
The last thing I want to see if CentOS coming to a grinding halt because the demand for half-tested-and-released-too-soon-releases and everyone want an update every 5 days have become too so great the devs can't get to doing their work properly anymore.
I really have no way to respond to such a thorough misreading of what I have said. I don't even know where to begin.
For everything you claim I have said I have in fact said the exact opposite. I have no idea where you get the idea of lumping me in with those throwing a tizzy about the releases not being ready.
The only thing I have said is that if we want these weekly threads to stop there needs to be better communication. How that translates in your head as me and everyone else "demanding" all sorts of things, pressuring the project, or wanting premature releases is simply beyond any ability of reasonable thought.
// Brian Mathis
P.S. I do take it very personally when someone mis-characterizes something I have said.
Brian,
I agree with you and am amazed of the misinterpretation of what we say. I too am only asking for more regular short updates of what is going on with the project. I think it is something normal for a community project, and that can give trust in it.
Alain
I personally am happy with my CentOS 5.x, and a waiting patiently for the future release. However, in our FOSS world, the community is helping on a regular basis, for everything : coding, documentation, QA, support - maybe somebody from the community should step in, get in touch with the devs and help for PR, as there seems to be such a need.
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Brian,
I agree with you and am amazed of the misinterpretation of what we say. I too am only asking for more regular short updates of what is going on with the project. I think it is something normal for a community project, and that can give trust in it.
Alain
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