There are security updates upstream for CentOS (4 and 5) and it looks like the CentOS 5 ones have been rebuilt and rolled out. How come the CentOS 4 branch lags behind, or are the CentOS 5 devs different from the CentOS 4 devs?
If more volunteers are needed I'm sure assistance could be offered by the CentOS community.
Regards, Vandaman.
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Vandaman wrote:
There are security updates upstream for CentOS (4 and 5) and it looks like the CentOS 5 ones have been rebuilt and rolled out. How come the CentOS 4 branch lags behind, or are the CentOS 5 devs different from the CentOS 4 devs?
If more volunteers are needed I'm sure assistance could be offered by the CentOS community.
'Vandaman' --
You hold no @centos.org, nor role beyond mailing list participant. A non-enumerated list is worse than useless, as it falsely causes concern. So near as I can tell (and I read ALL bug filings, centdor-sec, and a daily custom locally produced report of all upstream produced updates), you do NOT file bugs in the bug tracker to make formal your concern. You talk, just to make noise.
Some updates in question just showed up today. A couple on the 8th https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2009-0020.html https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2009-0001.html and a clutch on the 7th
Just WHAT do you have in mind?
How about you NOT overstep your role? -- Your self-appointed presence as monitor in this list, and of the project are tiresome, not official, and frankly not helpful. You hide behind a throwaway email provider.
How about just NOT popping off with whatever little thought wanders into your head for two days running?
-- Russ herrold
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 14:36 -0500, Marko A. Jennings wrote:
On Mon, January 12, 2009 2:32 pm, R P Herrold wrote:
<snip> > How about just NOT popping off with whatever little thought > wanders into your head for two days running?
Amen!
s/!/ Brother&/
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R P Herrold wrote:
You hold no @centos.org, nor role beyond mailing list participant. A non-enumerated list is worse than useless, as it falsely causes concern. So near as I can tell (and I read ALL bug filings, centdor-sec, and a daily custom locally produced report of all upstream produced updates), you do NOT file bugs in the bug tracker to make formal your concern. You talk, just to make noise.
So I need a @centos.org address to ask the obvious do I? If so I missed your response to the post I made last month about security updates missing for almost a month.
Members of the CentOS community should, in a free world be able to ask valid questions aand offer to volunteer if that is needed. Off course some don't live in the free world so its unfortunate.
Regards, Vandaman.
On Mon, January 12, 2009 5:04 pm, Vandaman wrote: <snip>
Members of the CentOS community should, in a free world be able to ask valid questions aand offer to volunteer if that is needed. Off course some don't live in the free world so its unfortunate.
Regards, Vandaman.
Vandaman,
From where I stand, it's not so much what you are saying bit how. To me,
your posts (generally speaking) appear condescending and aggressive. Just saying "Regards" at the end of each posting is not enough. It is nice to show some from time to time.
Marko
On Monday 12 January 2009 22:16:25 Marko A. Jennings wrote:
On Mon, January 12, 2009 5:04 pm, Vandaman wrote:
<snip>
Members of the CentOS community should, in a free
world be able
to ask valid questions aand offer to volunteer if that
is needed.
Off course some don't live in the free world so its unfortunate.
Regards, Vandaman.
Vandaman,
From where I stand, it's not so much what you are
saying bit how. To me,
your posts (generally speaking) appear condescending
and aggressive. Just
saying "Regards" at the end of each posting is not
enough. It is nice to
show some from time to time.
For heavens' sake! This list is beginning to sound like schoolboys squabbling in the playground.
Anne
on 1-12-2009 2:27 PM Googlemail spake the following:
On Monday 12 January 2009 22:16:25 Marko A. Jennings wrote:
On Mon, January 12, 2009 5:04 pm, Vandaman wrote:
<snip>
Members of the CentOS community should, in a free
world be able
to ask valid questions aand offer to volunteer if that
is needed.
Off course some don't live in the free world so its unfortunate.
Regards, Vandaman.
Vandaman,
From where I stand, it's not so much what you are
saying bit how. To me,
your posts (generally speaking) appear condescending
and aggressive. Just
saying "Regards" at the end of each posting is not
enough. It is nice to
show some from time to time.
For heavens' sake! This list is beginning to sound like schoolboys squabbling in the playground.
Anne
Is not!!!
So I need a @centos.org address to ask the obvious do I? If so I missed your response to the post I made last month about security updates missing for almost a month.
No, but the obvious link that you're not making is that you're not actually offering the help. You have blatantly said in other posts such things as:
"If more volunteers are needed I'm sure assistance could be offered by the CentOS community."
"Can you show me where offers for assistance have been made and the community declined?"
You keep referring to the community, not to yourself. You are trying to volunteer other people without trying to do anything yourself. If you can't do it, then fine, but shut up. If you keep whining and offer to do nothing to help, you're just being an unhelpful troll.
RP Herrold's comment about you not having a centos email address was in reference to your call to arms (as per the first of your quotes above). You're trying to volunteer people for this work which is not appropriate.
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Vandaman wrote:
R P Herrold wrote:
... you do NOT file bugs in the bug tracker to make formal your concern.
I made last month about security updates missing for almost a month.
no bug -> no issue.
Members of the CentOS community should, in a free world be able to ask valid questions aand offer to volunteer if that is needed. Off course some don't live in the free world so its unfortunate.
yawn ... I still missed that bug number, 'volunteer'
-- Russ herrold
R P Herrold wrote:
R P Herrold wrote:
... you do NOT file bugs in the bug tracker to
make formal
your concern.
I made last month about security updates missing for
almost
a month.
no bug -> no issue.
Members of the CentOS community should, in a free
world be
able to ask valid questions aand offer to volunteer if
that
is needed. Off course some don't live in the free
world so
its unfortunate.
yawn ... I still missed that bug number, 'volunteer'
For the benefit of the CentOS community at large and those following this interesting conversation by slashdotting or on blogs across teh web, it would be helpful if you clarified a few things and also pointed out the bugs filed against CentOS 5 for the previous weeks updates :-
1. where is the requirement written on wiki.centos.org or centos.org that bugs have to be filed against upstream errata for CentOS to provide any updates? 2. What are the bug numbers filed for CentOS 5 so that the updates could be pushed out? 3. Given that last months updates were a month late, where are the bug numbers filed against those, because the updates eventually made it.
Regards, Vandaman.
I'm not interested in your misguided vendetta. Can you please take this to private mail? Thanks.
Kai
Vandaman wrote:
There are security updates upstream for CentOS (4 and 5) and it looks like the CentOS 5 ones have been rebuilt and rolled out. How come the CentOS 4 branch lags behind, or are the CentOS 5 devs different from the CentOS 4 devs?
If more volunteers are needed I'm sure assistance could be offered by the CentOS community.
Regards, Vandaman.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
how about you doing something to help instead of acting like an emperor..which by the way has no clothes and no throne.
William Warren wrote:
how about you doing something to help instead of acting like an emperor..which by the way has no clothes and no throne.
I don't see why people have got their knickers in a twist over a simple question. Was it not me who noticed updates were missing for nearly a month?
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-December/069732.html
Looking at upstream errata those look like updates http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel4.7.z-as-errata.html
I'm sure there are plenty of people who run CentOS in production and going without security updates for a month is not ideal. Many would offer to help were any offers for help made.
Can you show me where offers for assistance have been made and the community declined?
Regards, Vandaman.
Vandaman wrote:
I'm sure there are plenty of people who run CentOS in production and going without security updates for a month is not ideal. Many would offer to help were any offers for help made.
Then I would suggest for those that they purchase RHEL with support. CentOS is a free community project, key word being free. I think the CentOS folks work extremely hard to deliver things as fast as they can, considering it's free.
Regards, Max
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