thanks for the head up. what os are you running on the blades??
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:52:45 -0500 From: Ted Kaczmarek tedkaz@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Centos] installing CentOS on the IBM BladeCenter To: centos@caosity.org Reply-To: tedkaz@optonline.net
The IBM Bladecenter is one of the worst abominations I have ever come across. I can see it being a web commerce site in a box, but other that that the thing is a boat anchor. Their Dlink switches are absolute garbage, after 9 upgrades I only have to reboot them once a month now. We tried the OEM Cisco switch, they gave me bad hardware, since their support people didn't know a frame from a packet they were unable to resolve it. Finally we sent the Cisco's back. Our rep finally tells us they are coming out with ethernet pass through, which we purchased. I pray that these work. The management station hangs about once every 2 months as well. Then only thing I have ever come across that compares to this POS is Sun's E10k, the memory latency rendered it useless as well.
I am also perplexed how many people got sucked in on these, they where ripped to shreds on slash dot, the over subscription with 4 ports is more than 3 to 1, and qos is only of any use up to 4 queues with the Notrel hardware.
Also their ROI numbers are a joke, ( I am not even considering the 150 or so man hours to get it to work at all, at 125$ a pop that pays for 4 loaded 345's) once you add the whole enchillada up, it is much cheaper to use 345's even with 14 blades in a chassis.
I also have a hard time putting anything critical on a box that uses Toshiba laptop hard drives and doesn't have serial console.
I guess if one doesn't need serial consoles, and real local disk IO and network IO is may be a good solution, but to me its a boat anchor.
Sorry for ranting, but I needed this, just got off a bloody battle with a moron vendor who had no clue what a don't fragment flag is. They rolled out a whole bunch of Solaris patches that appear to hard code the DF flag to set.
Ted
On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:37 -0500, Phillip_James@gardencitygroup.com wrote:
thanks
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Strange, w/ RHEL3ES it didn't require any driver disks. I just used the 4 ISO's. I'll have to see if I have a spare blade that I could try CentOS on, but I believe the rest are all being used by our Windows admins.
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:28:32 -0500, phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com wrote:
I got RHEL 3ES installed but the do not what to buy entittlements for
all
my servers. So I tryed to install CentOS but it did not work.
I did a "linux dd" were dd = RHEL3ES dd disk for the BladeCenter but it
did
not work.
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A couple months ago I installed RHEL3ES on 3 blades on each of 2 eSeries Blade Centers. You can even use the Blade Center's web interface to remotely view the screen. If you have the media in the system you can install it remotely.
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:40:08 -0500, phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com wrote:
Has any one install CentOS 3.3 or early on a IBM BladeCenter eServers (HS20)
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Don't get me wrong, if you need a web commerce dmz in a box it would appear to be fine for that, as outages and down time are not so critical and as fail over is easier to deal with. It is designed to fit well in that space.
From what I see happening now, IBM is selling ethernet pass throughs and
supposedly adding SCSI drives in a future version. That will address some of its shortcomings, but now the concept behind the blade technology changes, and the marketing spin continues. So if you must hold out for the next gen.
From what I am seeing from Egenera these days I regret we didn't go that
way :-(, you get what you pay for. The things have a real backplane these days, which was the major short coming in its earlier versions. The pan manager also seems like a more humane interface.
Ted
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 09:31 -0500, Phillip_James@gardencitygroup.com wrote:
thanks for the head up. what os are you running on the blades??
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:52:45 -0500 From: Ted Kaczmarek tedkaz@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Centos] installing CentOS on the IBM BladeCenter To: centos@caosity.org Reply-To: tedkaz@optonline.net
The IBM Bladecenter is one of the worst abominations I have ever come across. I can see it being a web commerce site in a box, but other that that the thing is a boat anchor. Their Dlink switches are absolute garbage, after 9 upgrades I only have to reboot them once a month now. We tried the OEM Cisco switch, they gave me bad hardware, since their support people didn't know a frame from a packet they were unable to resolve it. Finally we sent the Cisco's back. Our rep finally tells us they are coming out with ethernet pass through, which we purchased. I pray that these work. The management station hangs about once every 2 months as well. Then only thing I have ever come across that compares to this POS is Sun's E10k, the memory latency rendered it useless as well.
I am also perplexed how many people got sucked in on these, they where ripped to shreds on slash dot, the over subscription with 4 ports is more than 3 to 1, and qos is only of any use up to 4 queues with the Notrel hardware.
Also their ROI numbers are a joke, ( I am not even considering the 150 or so man hours to get it to work at all, at 125$ a pop that pays for 4 loaded 345's) once you add the whole enchillada up, it is much cheaper to use 345's even with 14 blades in a chassis.
I also have a hard time putting anything critical on a box that uses Toshiba laptop hard drives and doesn't have serial console.
I guess if one doesn't need serial consoles, and real local disk IO and network IO is may be a good solution, but to me its a boat anchor.
Sorry for ranting, but I needed this, just got off a bloody battle with a moron vendor who had no clue what a don't fragment flag is. They rolled out a whole bunch of Solaris patches that appear to hard code the DF flag to set.
Ted
On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 15:37 -0500, Phillip_James@gardencitygroup.com wrote:
thanks
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Strange, w/ RHEL3ES it didn't require any driver disks. I just used the 4 ISO's. I'll have to see if I have a spare blade that I could try CentOS on, but I believe the rest are all being used by our Windows admins.
-- Matt Shields http://masnetworks.biz/ http://www.caosity.org/
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:28:32 -0500, phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com wrote:
I got RHEL 3ES installed but the do not what to buy entittlements for
all
my servers. So I tryed to install CentOS but it did not work.
I did a "linux dd" were dd = RHEL3ES dd disk for the BladeCenter but it
did
not work.
Phillip James System Administrator The Garden City Group, Inc. 105 Maxess Road Melville, NY 11747-3836 Phone: (631) 470-5044 Fax: (631) 940-6561 E-mail: Phillip.James@GardenCityGroup.com ==================================================== This communication (including any attachments) is intended for the use
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A couple months ago I installed RHEL3ES on 3 blades on each of 2 eSeries Blade Centers. You can even use the Blade Center's web interface to remotely view the screen. If you have the media in the system you can install it remotely.
-- Matt Shields http://masnetworks.biz/ http://www.caosity.org/
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:40:08 -0500, phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com phillip_james@gardencitygroup.com wrote:
Has any one install CentOS 3.3 or early on a IBM BladeCenter eServers (HS20)
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