Hi, can someone tell how many are behind maintaining the site and converting security and regular RHEL fixes for Centos-3? I see the last round of security updates for RHEL were turned out in a day which is impressive.
Trying to get an idea if Centos has alot of community support and being maintained by more than one person. I am not confident enough yet in building my own updates.
I am another RH 7.1/8.0 admin that labored over the decision to go with Fedora Legacy 6 months for these servers only to find mailings to stop without any notice. Since it seemed awfully quiet for a time I checked their website and found support suspended for these version due to lack of community involvement.
So doing a little more investigating this time to see if the community is really into the project before settling down with a solution.
thx
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On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 08:43, Michael Rock wrote:
Hi, can someone tell how many are behind maintaining the site and converting security and regular RHEL fixes for Centos-3? I see the last round of security updates for RHEL were turned out in a day which is impressive.
That is the norm for CentOS ... about 1-2 days from the release.
Trying to get an idea if Centos has alot of community support and being maintained by more than one person. I am not confident enough yet in building my own updates.
I know that Seth Vidal and Lance Davis do the official CentOS-3 updates ... there may be more people as well.
I am another RH 7.1/8.0 admin that labored over the decision to go with Fedora Legacy 6 months for these servers only to find mailings to stop without any notice. Since it seemed awfully quiet for a time I checked their website and found support suspended for these version due to lack of community involvement.
So doing a little more investigating this time to see if the community is really into the project before settling down with a solution.
I haven't seen many issues with CentOS ... I recommend it.
Johnny Hughes http://www.hughesjr.com/
Are you curious how many people have access to the private key? If so, then just 4.
If you are interested in how many people contribute or help the project, then the number is much higher. For the re-spinning of Centos3 with the U3 updates, we are already looking at a shared model for this (ie: certain people maintaining the updates, another group to maintain the ISO's, and someone else to maintain the base OS and rebuild when necessary (ie. RHEL4), etc...).
Being part of the cAos Foundation also means that there are other people that will help with bugzilla, web site, mailing lists, server administration, and also bandwidth costs. We are trying to share as much of the load as possible and leverage the resources that we have through donations and monatary contributions.
One of my goals when creating the initial caos project and which is now a goal of the Foundation itself, is that our projects utilize a significant amount of time, and being able to "share the load" through the community actually makes the amount that one person has to do quite less.
I am very appreciative to all of the people that have contributed to the cAos Foundation and its projects. Without the community helping, we would not be where we are today. With that said, we still need more help. If any of our projects interest you, then please volunteer your efforts or contribute to the foundation.
As far as the U3 release of Centos, there was some talk about it on the centos-devel mailing list, and they are coming. Please stand by for some announcements. ;)
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 06:43:57AM -0700, Michael Rock told me:
Hi, can someone tell how many are behind maintaining the site and converting security and regular RHEL fixes for Centos-3? I see the last round of security updates for RHEL were turned out in a day which is impressive.
Trying to get an idea if Centos has alot of community support and being maintained by more than one person. I am not confident enough yet in building my own updates.
I am another RH 7.1/8.0 admin that labored over the decision to go with Fedora Legacy 6 months for these servers only to find mailings to stop without any notice. Since it seemed awfully quiet for a time I checked their website and found support suspended for these version due to lack of community involvement.
So doing a little more investigating this time to see if the community is really into the project before settling down with a solution.
thx
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where is the subscribe pge for the devel list or is that private?
Greg Kurtzer wrote:
Are you curious how many people have access to the private key? If so, then just 4.
If you are interested in how many people contribute or help the project, then the number is much higher. For the re-spinning of Centos3 with the U3 updates, we are already looking at a shared model for this (ie: certain people maintaining the updates, another group to maintain the ISO's, and someone else to maintain the base OS and rebuild when necessary (ie. RHEL4), etc...).
Being part of the cAos Foundation also means that there are other people that will help with bugzilla, web site, mailing lists, server administration, and also bandwidth costs. We are trying to share as much of the load as possible and leverage the resources that we have through donations and monatary contributions.
One of my goals when creating the initial caos project and which is now a goal of the Foundation itself, is that our projects utilize a significant amount of time, and being able to "share the load" through the community actually makes the amount that one person has to do quite less.
I am very appreciative to all of the people that have contributed to the cAos Foundation and its projects. Without the community helping, we would not be where we are today. With that said, we still need more help. If any of our projects interest you, then please volunteer your efforts or contribute to the foundation.
As far as the U3 release of Centos, there was some talk about it on the centos-devel mailing list, and they are coming. Please stand by for some announcements. ;)
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 06:43:57AM -0700, Michael Rock told me:
Hi, can someone tell how many are behind maintaining the site and converting security and regular RHEL fixes for Centos-3? I see the last round of security updates for RHEL were turned out in a day which is impressive.
Trying to get an idea if Centos has alot of community support and being maintained by more than one person. I am not confident enough yet in building my own updates.
I am another RH 7.1/8.0 admin that labored over the decision to go with Fedora Legacy 6 months for these servers only to find mailings to stop without any notice. Since it seemed awfully quiet for a time I checked their website and found support suspended for these version due to lack of community involvement.
So doing a little more investigating this time to see if the community is really into the project before settling down with a solution.
thx
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Thanks Greg and to everyone who responded. The efforts you describe, the overwhelming positive responses I received by email and on this list, besides simply just seeing how you are turning out updates as quickly as RHEL releases them, is exactly what I am looking for.
I wanted to remain with the stability of a RHEL disto while avoiding the licensing fees and the Fedora upgrade treadmill. Not to knock the decent effort of other RHEL clones, this clearly is not an one man show like Whitebox or Tao, nor lacks the community involvement of Fedora Legacy. This was something I was clearly looking to avoid.
Also I found in checking security fix dates compared to RHEL mailings that Centos beats out Whitebox which still has not released the group of fixes from 9/1.
As far as giving back I am not an expert, but as soon as I get up to speed I can provide any feedback on anything I find undocumented and will participate in the forums if I can be of any help.
--- Greg Kurtzer greg@runlevelzero.net wrote:
Are you curious how many people have access to the private key? If so, then just 4.
If you are interested in how many people contribute or help the project, then the number is much higher. For the re-spinning of Centos3 with the U3 updates, we are already looking at a shared model for this (ie: certain people maintaining the updates, another group to maintain the ISO's, and someone else to maintain the base OS and rebuild when necessary (ie. RHEL4), etc...).
Being part of the cAos Foundation also means that there are other people that will help with bugzilla, web site, mailing lists, server administration, and also bandwidth costs. We are trying to share as much of the load as possible and leverage the resources that we have through donations and monatary contributions.
One of my goals when creating the initial caos project and which is now a goal of the Foundation itself, is that our projects utilize a significant amount of time, and being able to "share the load" through the community actually makes the amount that one person has to do quite less.
I am very appreciative to all of the people that have contributed to the cAos Foundation and its projects. Without the community helping, we would not be where we are today. With that said, we still need more help. If any of our projects interest you, then please volunteer your efforts or contribute to the foundation.
As far as the U3 release of Centos, there was some talk about it on the centos-devel mailing list, and they are coming. Please stand by for some announcements. ;)
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 06:43:57AM -0700, Michael Rock told me:
Hi, can someone tell how many are behind
maintaining
the site and converting security and regular RHEL fixes for Centos-3? I see the last round of
security
updates for RHEL were turned out in a day which is impressive.
Trying to get an idea if Centos has alot of
community
support and being maintained by more than one
person.
I am not confident enough yet in building my own updates.
I am another RH 7.1/8.0 admin that labored over
the
decision to go with Fedora Legacy 6 months for
these
servers only to find mailings to stop without any notice. Since it seemed awfully quiet for a time I checked their website and found support suspended
for
these version due to lack of community
involvement.
So doing a little more investigating this time to
see
if the community is really into the project before settling down with a solution.
thx
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just seeing how you are turning out updates as quickly as RHEL releases them, is exactly what I am looking for.
I wanted to remain with the stability of a RHEL disto while avoiding the licensing fees and the Fedora upgrade treadmill.
not sure, about this stability stuff. Red hat updated samba from 3.0.2 to 3.0.4, and now samba+cups prints ok, but printed jobs remain visible and pending in the windows queue?!?!?! This could have never happened in debian stable.
Not to knock the decent effort of
other RHEL clones, this clearly is not an one man show like Whitebox or Tao, nor lacks the community involvement of Fedora Legacy. This was something I was clearly looking to avoid.
Also I found in checking security fix dates compared to RHEL mailings that Centos beats out Whitebox which still has not released the group of fixes from 9/1.
the only thing that wbel has over centos is their mailing list, which by the way is used by centos users too(at least I do)
...oh ... and also they made a wbel respin2. I think centos is still on respin1.
At the moment, I am the only person looking after CentOS-2. I am seeking someone who will be able to take over this roll should I be unavailable (not that I have any plans to become unavailable, but accidents do happen).
I will be using CentOS-2 at work for at least the next 12 months so I am pretty sure CentOS-2 support will be good during that period.
When it comes to CentOS-3, I am only just starting to use it but from the taroon mailing list it seems that in the recent round of updates, ldap, samba & the kernel are broken to some degree. I would suggest that a period of testing would be good before releasing the CentOS-3 updates.
I also think it is a good idea for any site running any version of Linux to have at least one box which is configured for doing software builds. If you ever need to rebuild something you have the environment ready. Nothing is more annoying than having to install a stack of -devel packages before you can build a critical security update.
John.
Michael Rock wrote:
Hi, can someone tell how many are behind maintaining the site and converting security and regular RHEL fixes for Centos-3? I see the last round of security updates for RHEL were turned out in a day which is impressive.
Trying to get an idea if Centos has alot of community support and being maintained by more than one person. I am not confident enough yet in building my own updates.
I am another RH 7.1/8.0 admin that labored over the decision to go with Fedora Legacy 6 months for these servers only to find mailings to stop without any notice. Since it seemed awfully quiet for a time I checked their website and found support suspended for these version due to lack of community involvement.
So doing a little more investigating this time to see if the community is really into the project before settling down with a solution.
thx
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That may explain some of the strange SMB behaviors i ahve seen since installing centOS-3 then..:)
John Newbigin wrote:
At the moment, I am the only person looking after CentOS-2. I am seeking someone who will be able to take over this roll should I be unavailable (not that I have any plans to become unavailable, but accidents do happen).
I will be using CentOS-2 at work for at least the next 12 months so I am pretty sure CentOS-2 support will be good during that period.
When it comes to CentOS-3, I am only just starting to use it but from the taroon mailing list it seems that in the recent round of updates, ldap, samba & the kernel are broken to some degree. I would suggest that a period of testing would be good before releasing the CentOS-3 updates.
I also think it is a good idea for any site running any version of Linux to have at least one box which is configured for doing software builds. If you ever need to rebuild something you have the environment ready. Nothing is more annoying than having to install a stack of -devel packages before you can build a critical security update.
John.
Michael Rock wrote:
Hi, can someone tell how many are behind maintaining the site and converting security and regular RHEL fixes for Centos-3? I see the last round of security updates for RHEL were turned out in a day which is impressive. Trying to get an idea if Centos has alot of community support and being maintained by more than one person. I am not confident enough yet in building my own updates.
I am another RH 7.1/8.0 admin that labored over the decision to go with Fedora Legacy 6 months for these servers only to find mailings to stop without any notice. Since it seemed awfully quiet for a time I checked their website and found support suspended for these version due to lack of community involvement. So doing a little more investigating this time to see if the community is really into the project before settling down with a solution.
thx
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