Hi,
My firefox (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091216 Fedora/3.5.6-1.fc11 Firefox/3.5.6) on Gnome 2.26.3 will randomly crash, without any errors. /var/log/messages & /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't show anything that caused any errors. And it doesn't matter on which website(s) I'm busy with, it will just crash.
Does anyone know how to check for a problem?
My PC has:
Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core E5200 CPU 4GB DDRII Corsair RAM 3x 160GB SATAII HDD Asus Nvidia 8800GT graphics card.
I have updated to the latest nVidia drivers
[root@Rudi-PC ~]# dmesg | grep nvidia nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. nvidia 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 nvidia-config-d[1399]: segfault at 7f0888000000 ip 0000003ff107bf54 sp 00007ffff39d1898 error 4 in libc-2.10.2.so[3ff1000000+164000]
[root@Rudi-PC ~]# dmesg | grep nvidia nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. nvidia 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 nvidia-config-d[1399]: segfault at 7f0888000000 ip 0000003ff107bf54 sp 00007ffff39d1898 error 4 in libc-2.10.2.so[3ff1000000+164000]
[root@Rudi-PC ~]# uname -a Linux Rudi-PC 2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 11 07:06:34 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
P.S. This is on Fedora Core 12, but it's RH based, so I thought maybe someone on this list might have some insight into the problem?
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 08:51 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Does anyone know how to check for a problem?
The first thing to do is disable all firefox plugins and see if the problem goes away.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 08:51 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Does anyone know how to check for a problem?
The first thing to do is disable all firefox plugins and see if the problem goes away.
-- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com
I already tried that, no luck :)
In fact,I only installed 3 plug-ins yesterday, had nothing before that.
Something interesting that I picked up is that Thunderbird will close randomly (very seldom though) as well, so I don't know if it's Firefox specific though.
I have picked up that it happens more often when my PC's memory usage is above 2GB RAM, and memtest86+ didn't indicate any memory problems. If I have less tabs open, it happens less often, but the more tabs I have open, the more often it happens.
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Frank Cox theatre@sasktel.net wrote:
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 08:51 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Does anyone know how to check for a problem?
The first thing to do is disable all firefox plugins and see if the problem goes away.
-- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com
I already tried that, no luck :)
In fact,I only installed 3 plug-ins yesterday, had nothing before that.
Something interesting that I picked up is that Thunderbird will close randomly (very seldom though) as well, so I don't know if it's Firefox specific though.
I have picked up that it happens more often when my PC's memory usage is above 2GB RAM, and memtest86+ didn't indicate any memory problems. If I have less tabs open, it happens less often, but the more tabs I have open, the more often it happens.
Hi,
I have the same behaviour here on my known-good memory (8GiByte) 'workstation', both for Firefox (have about 100 tabs open, spread over four windows) and Thunderbird, w/Thunderbird having 'uptimes' of a few weeks regularly, while FF tends to crash every ten to 15 days (give or take).
To sum it up: I don't really think it's a memory problem. It can't be excluded, of course, but maybe there's more crash prone stuff in there.
Timo
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Timo Schoeler timo.schoeler@riscworks.netwrote:
Hi,
I have the same behaviour here on my known-good memory (8GiByte) 'workstation', both for Firefox (have about 100 tabs open, spread over four windows) and Thunderbird, w/Thunderbird having 'uptimes' of a few weeks regularly, while FF tends to crash every ten to 15 days (give or take).
To sum it up: I don't really think it's a memory problem. It can't be excluded, of course, but maybe there's more crash prone stuff in there.
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Something interesting that I picked up is that Thunderbird will close randomly (very seldom though) as well, so I don't know if it's Firefox specific though.
I have picked up that it happens more often when my PC's memory usage is above 2GB RAM, and memtest86+ didn't indicate any memory problems. If I have less tabs open, it happens less often, but the more tabs I have open, the more often it happens.
At the same time, on the same PC, when I'm in Windows XP SP3 (dual boot), I can have many more tabs open as well as Thunderbird, Quickbooks, Photoshop CS3 and some other applications, and it doesn't cash.
2010/2/17 Rudi Ahlers Rudi@softdux.com:
Hi,
My firefox (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091216 Fedora/3.5.6-1.fc11 Firefox/3.5.6) on Gnome 2.26.3 will randomly crash, without any errors. /var/log/messages & /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't show anything that caused any errors. And it doesn't matter on which website(s) I'm busy with, it will just crash.
Does anyone know how to check for a problem?
My PC has:
Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core E5200 CPU 4GB DDRII Corsair RAM 3x 160GB SATAII HDD Asus Nvidia 8800GT graphics card.
I have updated to the latest nVidia drivers
Latest stable or latest beta?
Anyway, if your card works with opensource version of driver, then try it.
-- Eero
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Eero Volotinen eero.volotinen@iki.fiwrote:
Latest stable or latest beta?
Anyway, if your card works with opensource version of driver, then try it.
-- Eero _______________________________________________
Here's the currently installed drivers:
[rudi@Rudi-PC ~]$ rpm -qa | grep nvidia xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-190.53-1.fc11.x86_64 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-190.53-1.fc11.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.x86_64-190.53-1.fc11.4.x86_64 nvidia-xconfig-1.0-1.fc11.x86_64 nvidia-settings-1.0-3.2.fc11.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-190.53-1.fc11.4.x86_64 [rudi@Rudi-PC ~]$
IS it the graphics card? Other programs, like Bluefish, Eclipse, Open Office, etc doesn't crash.
On 2010-02-17 10:23, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
IS it the graphics card? Other programs, like Bluefish, Eclipse, Open Office, etc doesn't crash.
I also have the problem, also using an nvidia card (currently using their proprietary driver now, version NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.42-pkg2.run).
My thunderbird used to be rock stable (uptimes several weeks), but recently it started to crash as well (about once a week or so).
Even more disturbing is that now gnome-terminal also starts crashing. I usually have many (30+) gnome terminal windows open on several virtual screens and on a crash, they all disappear (except maybe one or two, which were started by another launcher).
What I also noticed is that "suddenly" the focus changes, and many (all?) minimized windows suddenly get unminimized again. I also have lots of yellow sticky notes, usually hidden, and they also suddenly get unhiden as well (that's usually how I notice the focus change).
Maybe window manager related (I'm using the standard gnome in centos5 latest)?
Sometimes, it even happens when I'm not at my keyboard at all... And, indeed, it gets more frequent recently. (Firefox crashing several times a day, gnome-terminal 1-2 times a week. Windows unminimizing without any action on my part several times a day as well.)
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Paul Bijnens Paul.Bijnens@xplanation.comwrote:
On 2010-02-17 10:23, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
IS it the graphics card? Other programs, like Bluefish, Eclipse, Open Office, etc doesn't crash.
I also have the problem, also using an nvidia card (currently using their proprietary driver now, version NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.42-pkg2.run).
My thunderbird used to be rock stable (uptimes several weeks), but recently it started to crash as well (about once a week or so).
Even more disturbing is that now gnome-terminal also starts crashing. I usually have many (30+) gnome terminal windows open on several virtual screens and on a crash, they all disappear (except maybe one or two, which were started by another launcher).
What I also noticed is that "suddenly" the focus changes, and many (all?) minimized windows suddenly get unminimized again. I also have lots of yellow sticky notes, usually hidden, and they also suddenly get unhiden as well (that's usually how I notice the focus change).
Maybe window manager related (I'm using the standard gnome in centos5 latest)?
Sometimes, it even happens when I'm not at my keyboard at all... And, indeed, it gets more frequent recently. (Firefox crashing several times a day, gnome-terminal 1-2 times a week. Windows unminimizing without any action on my part several times a day as well.)
-- Paul Bijnens, Xplanation Technology Services Tel +32 16 397.525 Interleuvenlaan 86, B-3001 Leuven, BELGIUM Fax +32 16 397.552
Ok, so it isn't just me :)
But, what is causing the problem? I changed from the default naveou driver to the nvidia driver (via yum install nvidia) but that's didn't fix the problem either. So I doubt if it actually is the nVidia card / driver that's causing the problem.
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Paul Bijnens Paul.Bijnens@xplanation.comwrote:
On 2010-02-17 10:23, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
IS it the graphics card? Other programs, like Bluefish, Eclipse, Open Office, etc doesn't crash.
I also have the problem, also using an nvidia card (currently using their proprietary driver now, version NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.42-pkg2.run).
My thunderbird used to be rock stable (uptimes several weeks), but recently it started to crash as well (about once a week or so).
Even more disturbing is that now gnome-terminal also starts crashing. I usually have many (30+) gnome terminal windows open on several virtual screens and on a crash, they all disappear (except maybe one or two, which were started by another launcher).
What I also noticed is that "suddenly" the focus changes, and many (all?) minimized windows suddenly get unminimized again. I also have lots of yellow sticky notes, usually hidden, and they also suddenly get unhiden as well (that's usually how I notice the focus change).
Maybe window manager related (I'm using the standard gnome in centos5 latest)?
Sometimes, it even happens when I'm not at my keyboard at all... And, indeed, it gets more frequent recently. (Firefox crashing several times a day, gnome-terminal 1-2 times a week. Windows unminimizing without any action on my part several times a day as well.)
-- Paul Bijnens, Xplanation Technology Services Tel +32 16 397.525 Interleuvenlaan 86, B-3001 Leuven, BELGIUM Fax +32 16 397.552
Ok, so it isn't just me :)
But, what is causing the problem? I changed from the default naveou driver to the nvidia driver (via yum install nvidia) but that's didn't fix the problem either. So I doubt if it actually is the nVidia card / driver that's causing the problem.
Same here; I'm tracking nVidia's driver (on CentOS 5.3/5.4 x86_64, GeForce 8600 GT) for more than a year now. Compared with my home boxen (same OS, but ATI based) I have the same issue and frequency of WM disappearing/FF crashing.
Timo
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thus Rudi Ahlers spake:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Paul Bijnens Paul.Bijnens@xplanation.comwrote:
On 2010-02-17 10:23, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
IS it the graphics card? Other programs, like Bluefish, Eclipse, Open Office, etc doesn't crash.
I also have the problem, also using an nvidia card (currently using their proprietary driver now, version NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.42-pkg2.run).
My thunderbird used to be rock stable (uptimes several weeks), but recently it started to crash as well (about once a week or so).
Even more disturbing is that now gnome-terminal also starts crashing. I usually have many (30+) gnome terminal windows open on several virtual screens and on a crash, they all disappear (except maybe one or two, which were started by another launcher).
What I also noticed is that "suddenly" the focus changes, and many (all?) minimized windows suddenly get unminimized again. I also have lots of yellow sticky notes, usually hidden, and they also suddenly get unhiden as well (that's usually how I notice the focus change).
Maybe window manager related (I'm using the standard gnome in centos5 latest)?
Sometimes, it even happens when I'm not at my keyboard at all... And, indeed, it gets more frequent recently. (Firefox crashing several times a day, gnome-terminal 1-2 times a week. Windows unminimizing without any action on my part several times a day as well.)
-- Paul Bijnens, Xplanation Technology Services Tel +32 16 397.525 Interleuvenlaan 86, B-3001 Leuven, BELGIUM Fax +32 16 397.552
Ok, so it isn't just me :)
But, what is causing the problem? I changed from the default naveou driver to the nvidia driver (via yum install nvidia) but that's didn't fix the problem either. So I doubt if it actually is the nVidia card / driver that's causing the problem.
Same here; I'm tracking nVidia's driver (on CentOS 5.3/5.4 x86_64, GeForce 8600 GT) for more than a year now. Compared with my home boxen (same OS, but ATI based) I have the same issue and frequency of WM disappearing/FF crashing.
I'd like to add that occasional (and that is what I would rate this behaviour of Firefox or a part of GNOME, at least on my machines) crashing of an application happened to me on almost any system, be it a standard PeeCee or a high end UNIX workstation (like an IBM Power, SGI MIPS or Sun SPARC).
Timo
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Eero Volotinen eero.volotinen@iki.fiwrote:
Latest stable or latest beta?
Anyway, if your card works with opensource version of driver, then try it.
Here's the currently installed drivers:
[rudi@Rudi-PC ~]$ rpm -qa | grep nvidia xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-190.53-1.fc11.x86_64 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-190.53-1.fc11.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.x86_64-190.53-1.fc11.4.x86_64 nvidia-xconfig-1.0-1.fc11.x86_64 nvidia-settings-1.0-3.2.fc11.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-190.53-1.fc11.4.x86_64 [rudi@Rudi-PC ~]$
IS it the graphics card? Other programs, like Bluefish, Eclipse, Open Office, etc doesn't crash.
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
mark
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
mark
Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
Flashplayer. nsplugin<whatsit> There was even (finally) a bug reported for it, a few months back, and it took them a week to find an unnoted dependency, and not only would firefox crash, but their crashreporter would crash, because *it* was dependent upon the missing package.
mark
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
Flashplayer. nsplugin<whatsit> There was even (finally) a bug reported for it, a few months back, and it took them a week to find an unnoted dependency, and not only would firefox crash, but their crashreporter would crash, because *it* was dependent upon the missing package.
nspluginwrapper? 32bit flash on 64bit env? why you just don't run the 64bit flash?
-- Eero
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
Flashplayer. nsplugin<whatsit> There was even (finally) a bug reported for it, a few months back, and it took them a week to find an unnoted dependency, and not only would firefox crash, but their crashreporter would crash, because *it* was dependent upon the missing package.
nspluginwrapper? 32bit flash on 64bit env? why you just don't run the 64bit flash?
You mean the version that didn't exist, and is just now mentioned on slashdot as ->ALPHA<- software?
mark
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
Flashplayer. nsplugin<whatsit> There was even (finally) a bug reported for it, a few months back, and it took them a week to find an unnoted dependency, and not only would firefox crash, but their crashreporter would crash, because *it* was dependent upon the missing package.
nspluginwrapper? 32bit flash on 64bit env? why you just don't run the 64bit flash?
You mean the version that didn't exist, and is just now mentioned on slashdot as ->ALPHA<- software?
yes, it still works better than 32bit pluginwrapped version. Try it at: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
-- Eero
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
Flashplayer. nsplugin<whatsit> There was even (finally) a bug reported for it, a few months back, and it took them a week to find an unnoted dependency, and not only would firefox crash, but their crashreporter would crash, because *it* was dependent upon the missing package.
nspluginwrapper? 32bit flash on 64bit env? why you just don't run the 64bit flash?
You mean the version that didn't exist, and is just now mentioned on slashdot as ->ALPHA<- software?
yes, it still works better than 32bit pluginwrapped version. Try it at: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
Well, since I don't have a time machine (please let me know if you do - I have a number of *serious* things to correct back then), it doesn't help me back in Oct and Nov. I also really am averse to alpha software - I don't like to use anything less than x.0.1 (after they've fixed the bugs that were missed before the release <g>)
mark
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2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote: > Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago. > Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
Flashplayer. nsplugin<whatsit> There was even (finally) a bug reported for it, a few months back, and it took them a week to find an unnoted dependency, and not only would firefox crash, but their crashreporter would crash, because *it* was dependent upon the missing package.
nspluginwrapper? 32bit flash on 64bit env? why you just don't run the 64bit flash?
You mean the version that didn't exist, and is just now mentioned on slashdot as ->ALPHA<- software?
yes, it still works better than 32bit pluginwrapped version. Try it at: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
Well, since I don't have a time machine (please let me know if you do - I have a number of *serious* things to correct back then),
YMMD! Add another one to the list of time machine users (if there was one, that is). :D
it doesn't help me back in Oct and Nov. I also really am averse to alpha software - I don't like to use anything less than x.0.1 (after they've fixed the bugs that were missed before the release <g>)
Well, I've been using this 64Bit Adobe Labs Patch stuff for several months now, and honestly I cannot complain. My browser crashed before I used it, and it does now. Compared to the alternatives I have (assuming I am almost *forced* using Flash in some ways in 2010) -- running Windows or, OTOH, running FOSS and fiddling around, keep having audio problems and all stuff of other annoyances -- I really appreciate the Alpha release. I've seen software considered stable (for years) that was much buggier.
mark
Timo
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 02:32:23PM -0500, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Could be $%^&* flash. That was happening about 4 mos. ago.
Mark, can you be a bit more specific, please?
What / which flash are you referring to exactly?
Flashplayer. nsplugin<whatsit> There was even (finally) a bug reported for it, a few months back, and it took them a week to find an unnoted dependency, and not only would firefox crash, but their crashreporter would crash, because *it* was dependent upon the missing package.
nspluginwrapper? 32bit flash on 64bit env? why you just don't run the 64bit flash?
You mean the version that didn't exist, and is just now mentioned on slashdot as ->ALPHA<- software?
Wasn't the link from that slashdot article pointing to a news item from 2008?
iirc 64bit flash for linux has been there for 1,5 years or so.
-- Pasi
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 02:32:23PM -0500, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
2010/2/17 m.roth@5-cent.us:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip>
nspluginwrapper? 32bit flash on 64bit env? why you just don't run the 64bit flash?
You mean the version that didn't exist, and is just now mentioned on slashdot as ->ALPHA<- software?
Wasn't the link from that slashdot article pointing to a news item from 2008?
iirc 64bit flash for linux has been there for 1,5 years or so.
I didn't follow the link. However, if that's so, then I would have expected it to be included when I did a fresh install of CentOS 5.4 x86_64.
<shrug>
mark "flash, why did it have to be flash?"*
* And why on *Earth* would any idiot HR person+ have a flash video on the page you're trying to search jobs for their company, which I saw last year...?
+ But I repeat myself
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