Well, this conversation started with me
I just asked two silly questions and no where did i mention panicking or sound begging ?
The reason i asked them from team was 1) i can get right answer in right time ( as there are so many distros of linux) 2) i was so eager to learn and run apache and tomcat on linux that these small things were coming as hindrance to my main aim
Regarding, spoon fed, i dont think if anyone can reach the stage of joining the CENTOS mailing list is spoon fed if i can join this mailing list, install Centos on my own, run apache and run tomcat, if i can code java and restart application servers, i dont think i am spoon fed Of cours i dont know how to start centos from command line because I am not a system administrator and never was and never did.
I think aim of this mailing list is to help new users get right answers in right time. There is too much information on internet which waste lot of time and also ............................ there are too many ways to do same thing. for e.g setting JAVA_HOME from bashrc and also from etc\profile
Does anyone has comments from what i stated above. People here on the list have lot of ego's and they dont want to move from their point If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction.
bottom line: if you are that much agigated, please do not answer my questions and delete the email. it is better. kind regards Vaneet
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org on behalf of Greg Knaddison Sent: Wed 3/30/2005 5:37 PM To: CentOS mailing list Cc: Subject: Re: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:56:00 +0100, Peter Farrow peter@farrows.org wrote: > If a question really is very simple to answer, why not just give the > answer, after all asking questions is how we all learn.... > No. RTFM and then ask questions is how we all learn. If I see a question I'm interested in that I don't know the answer to, I'll do some research and find the answer. 75% of the time that I make a post that's what it's based upon. I'm frequently happy to do it because I'm increasing my own knowledge, but when the poster is of the "I need to be spoon fed" variety and asks a follow up question that is clearly answered online it's a waste of everyone's time. Besides, how many times have you seen the "I REALLY NEED HELP RIGHT NOW OMG I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO XYZ!!!!! MY BOSS IS GOING TO FIRE ME, HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME!"? If you're used to getting spoon-fed and then get into a situation where you need help right now, spoon feeding is very unlikely to happen fast enough, but man/info/google are always there, unless you never learned to use them ;) I agree with Collins. The more people in his "group 2" the better. Respond with help and respond with a nudge. Greg _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Hello, Vaneet.
I understand and agree with what you are saying. It's true that it's becoming a bit agressive and it's sad. I think that you were right to ask those questions, and I don't think that the JAVA_HOME thing did hurt to ask. It even helped me so I'm happy you asked for. You asked only one or two basic questions but even though I think we should be able to ask them. However the rule to seach first before ask is still to keep in mind.
Thus, the only thing that really misses here to my point of view is a place where we can get a search on all this precious mailing list. The google option is not very good because of the delay of inclusion (1-2 days I think) and also because we get other answers and we only want answers from here (and to be sure to have all of them), knowing that here is the most appropriate information.
That's why I suggest putting on the home page of CentOS.org the following search motor's URL in the 'support' section: http://search.gmane.org/search.php?query=&email=&group=gmane.linux.c...
I'm sure that many new comers will appreciate it a lot. This will most probably also reduce by 2 or 3 times the amount of e-mails on this list.
Kind regards to all,
Daniel
----- Original Message ----- From: Vaneet Sharma To: CentOS mailing list Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [Centos] Restart centos from Commandline
Well, this conversation started with me
I just asked two silly questions and no where did i mention panicking or sound begging ?
The reason i asked them from team was 1) i can get right answer in right time ( as there are so many distros of linux) 2) i was so eager to learn and run apache and tomcat on linux that these small things were coming as hindrance to my main aim
Regarding, spoon fed, i dont think if anyone can reach the stage of joining the CENTOS mailing list is spoon fed if i can join this mailing list, install Centos on my own, run apache and run tomcat, if i can code java and restart application servers, i dont think i am spoon fed Of cours i dont know how to start centos from command line because I am not a system administrator and never was and never did.
I think aim of this mailing list is to help new users get right answers in right time. There is too much information on internet which waste lot of time and also ............................ there are too many ways to do same thing. for e.g setting JAVA_HOME from bashrc and also from etc\profile
Does anyone has comments from what i stated above. People here on the list have lot of ego's and they dont want to move from their point If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction.
bottom line: if you are that much agigated, please do not answer my questions and delete the email. it is better. kind regards Vaneet
If u read my previous emails, i was criticised by 5 people, i apologised and also am thankful in giving me new direction.
I just have to say, "Welcome to the Internet!" This is called flaming, and in fact I think 5 replies is actually a REALLY friendly list (nice!).
Honestly, given the level of information (quantity) that comes through my inbox every day, it's pretty egregious behavior for someone to ask how to reboot a linux box, especially when a simple seach on google.com for the words, "howto reboot linux" reveals this information in the first link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-51%2CG...
I'm not attacking you personally, but I'd like to give you a heads up as to why this behavior is so frowned upon.
I want you to consider that there are hundreds of people on this list who have to read your messages. When you send something super basic stuff, it takes literally 'man hours' to get through it. Reading this thread probably cost me $1 of my time. Imagine if there are 300 people on this list (hypothetically). That's $300 of other people's money you just spent to ask "how do I reboot linux" instead of typing it into Google. So, over the years it's developed that questions that involve RTFM (Read The F'n Manual) should NOT be posted to a public mailing list.
What is appropriate, and I would STRONGLY encourage you to do (as I'm really happy to see you're using Linux and want to support you) is post to forums. Unlike mailing lists, forums are "opt in" for the reader (instead of "opt out" on a mailing list), and it is terribly appropriate to ask any questions you'd like, including beginner ones. Centos's website has a good one, but for basic questions, you might like *linux**help*.net, or *linux*questions.org (I found the latter particularly helpful in learning Linux for folks).
So, consider carefully whether something you post to the list is really worth $300 bucks of your colleagues time before you post. That's a good way to think about it.
For the record, that question, most certainly, was not.
We want people adopting the platform, but you really must be more considerate of your colleagues time -- we are in fact the folks who will be there to help you when you *really* need it!
To the list, I'm sorry for not letting this thread die, but I'd like to put this in the archives so the next time it happens (which it will), I can just email the link. Hehe. ;-) Read that? I PLANNED to send you this months ago.
Jonathan
This is getting silly ...
Maybe we need to start a new mailing list that is:
CentOS Really Smart People List. Only really smart people are allowed to post on that list.
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