OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 15:59, Robert Heller heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
Long story short.. there aren't any that work well. The web standards are constantly changing, and you end up with a web browser where all the pages look like crap through little fault of the browser. Most browser teams get burned out and realize they are better off shaving yaks for sweater wool. Other teams do some level of good enough but they also have to keep up with newer things which means that trying to run it on EL6 is not going to be something they want to add to their pile of crap. They also tend towards keeping up with the Joneses so their interfaces will look like whatever is Firefox/Chromiums current layout.
In the end, there are three bad choices: 1. Keep an out of date and buggy browser you can work with.. set up the system to be as sandboxed as possible and assume it is always hacked. 2. Learn to love and/or help improve some text based browser. Since the graphical layouts will change constantly as GUI standards change.. this is where I am headed. 3. Try to find a browser out of the few remaining others that works.. most will want you to be running something much more modern than EL6 (and even EL7 is probably going to be too old for many). 4. Just use browsers as little as possible and decide to live out life as a yak herder. [OK this is probably where I am really headed]
Sorry I don't have happier answers
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 04:12:02PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 15:59, Robert Heller heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
Long story short.. there aren't any that work well. The web standards are constantly changing, and you end up with a web browser where all the pages look like crap through little fault of the browser. Most browser teams get burned out and realize they are better off shaving yaks for sweater wool. Other teams do some level of good enough but they also have to keep up with newer things which means that trying to run it on EL6 is not going to be something they want to add to their pile of crap. They also tend towards keeping up with the Joneses so their interfaces will look like whatever is Firefox/Chromiums current layout.
In the end, there are three bad choices:
- Keep an out of date and buggy browser you can work with.. set up the
system to be as sandboxed as possible and assume it is always hacked. 2. Learn to love and/or help improve some text based browser. Since the graphical layouts will change constantly as GUI standards change.. this is where I am headed. 3. Try to find a browser out of the few remaining others that works.. most will want you to be running something much more modern than EL6 (and even EL7 is probably going to be too old for many). 4. Just use browsers as little as possible and decide to live out life as a yak herder. [OK this is probably where I am really headed]
Sorry I don't have happier answersS
I occasionally use Vivaldi (on C7) and find it to be a decent browser. I don't know how or even if it works on C6.
A potential problem is that everybody (even MS!!) except firefox uses the same browser engine, and that is one developed by Google who seems determined to take over the web just like MS tried with IE.
On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
You can give Midori a try
At Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:12:07 +0800 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
You can give Midori a try
Excessively clever website, but there is no working download link for either source or binary for Linux... It is supposed to be available for Linux, but it does not appear to actually be available.
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On 2019-06-26 15:31, Robert Heller wrote:
At Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:12:07 +0800 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
You can give Midori a try
Excessively clever website, but there is no working download link for either source or binary for Linux... It is supposed to be available for Linux, but it does not appear to actually be available.
You can download by clicking on the "Zip" link, here is direct link I get from their website:
https://github.com/midori-browser/core/releases/download/v6/midori-v6.0.tar....
It should be easy to build, I use it on mu FreeBSD workstation (as a second choice of a browser); I've installed it as FreeBSD package, so I didn't read build instruction/dependencies, but this may add to whatever build instruction the ship with source (it is for FreeBSD but it gives you all information you need):
https://www.freshports.org/www/midori/
Good luck!
Valeri
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On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
Pale moon is also one that I have used on CentOS
Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config file I needed to create.
A month or so ago, they upgraded, and I had to find out that I had to edit about:config to change the booleans on signature to false.
mark
At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config file I needed to create.
That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars (if that is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but are really hard to use).
Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a file upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller than my screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one *must* scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It seems that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us actually use our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the time* (or really much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard is a piece of depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using touch screens with only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so 20th century... :-)
A month or so ago, they upgraded, and I had to find out that I had to edit about:config to change the booleans on signature to false.
mark
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Robert Heller wrote:
At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config file I needed to create.
That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars (if that is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but are really hard to use).
This is what I used. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1229675
Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a file upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller than my screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one *must* scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It seems that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us actually use our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the time* (or really much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard is a piece of depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using touch screens with only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so 20th century... :-)
They all think they're Managers, who don't type, only wave their hands and point. Or, as a friend put it, their "mama dresses them funny, and [they] need a mouse to delete files".
mark
At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:15:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Robert Heller wrote:
At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config file I needed to create.
That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars (if that is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but are really hard to use).
This is what I used. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1229675
Does not work on my *CentOS 6* system (probably because I don't have gtk 3?).
Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a file upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller than my screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one *must* scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It seems that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us actually use our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the time* (or really much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard is a piece of depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using touch screens with only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so 20th century... :-)
They all think they're Managers, who don't type, only wave their hands and point. Or, as a friend put it, their "mama dresses them funny, and [they] need a mouse to delete files".
Ha!
mark
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Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a file upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller than my screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one *must* scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It seems that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us actually use our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the time* (or really much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard is a piece of depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using touch screens with only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so 20th century... :-)
My experience, although it may depend on versions etc., is that if you just start typing in the file upload browser, the search bar appears and the list of "available" files narrows down until you get what you want.
P.
Robert Heller wrote:
Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click
a file
upload button.
I don't think you can blame Mozilla for that - Firefox ESR 60 uses the GTK3 file open/save dialogs - which don't by default do this. If you type Ctrl-L anywhere in the dialog box, it toggles a text input box
Unfortunately, I don't think there is any setting that displays this input box by default ...
James Pearson
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller heller@deepsoft.com wrote:
At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config file I needed to create.
That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars (if that is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but are really hard to use).
I also had to look around for a solution because firefox seems to ignore any changes to gtk3 themes.
Here is what works for me (change px as needed):
cat ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
.scrollbar.vertical slider, scrollbar.vertical slider { min-width: 15px; }
.scrollbar.horizontal slider, scrollbar.horizontal slider { min-height: 15px; }
On 2019-06-26 15:39, mark wrote:
Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS
<rant> My observation is: the bizarre at Mozilla Foundation started [quite a while ago] when one of the people who was here as a student (and I knew him personally) came to them as a production director. Then they started piling up extra "features", rushing new "releases", none of which does live up to the name "release", they are not debugged enough... just take a look how often security update for firefox or thunderbird are released. </rant>
Since then I am looking for the replacement for firefox, and I still can not find one. Midory though good enough, and is my second choice on my FreeBSD workstation, still can not replace firefox for me. Don't get me started about chrome, chromium and friends... though I have to use chromium for specific purpose: to have browser that can pretend to be on smarthone. Palemoon is just a rebuild of Firefox. Tor browser, though it is rebuilt of firefox as well, is my choice when I prefer to go places I don't want my network provider put into their database associated with my name. I'm sure many of us do similar things in a course of out job duties.
Vivaldy almost worked out as firefox replacement on MS Windows systems for me, but later I changed my mind.
I had really short, like touch and go, experience with opera. And I'm not mentioning Safari which is my second choice (after firefox) on macintosh. (Well, safari, as many other things on macintosh you sometimes need to trick into doing what you actually want it to do).
I guess, we all (old guys) still keep our warm feelings to Netscape Navigator.
Valeri
made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config file I needed to create.
A month or so ago, they upgraded, and I had to find out that I had to edit about:config to change the booleans on signature to false.
mark
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Le 26/06/2019 à 23:21, Valeri Galtsev a écrit :
I guess, we all (old guys) still keep our warm feelings to Netscape Navigator.
In that case, just use Seamonkey, which is available for both CentOS 6.x and 7.x.
Cheers,
Niki
On 27/06/19 7:58 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
I have been using Vivaldi for about 6 months now on my C7 workstation, ever since FF dropped the ball on an update and lost all my saved passwords. I only have the browser store passwords for non-important sites, but there were dozens of them, and I DO NOT back them up onto the cloud to be accessible to the great un-washed.
Vivaldi is not as media player friendly i.e. for video content, but to be fair I haven't spent much time trying to sort that out.
I find it has some nice tools for my development work / testing, however also some bugs as on occasion it will not open a link when I double click it in say an email - Vivaldi is set as the default browser. A stop and start of the browser sorts that problem. I typically keep my browser open for weeks, or until this fault causes too much frustration. It remembers all my open tabs so the restart is fairly painless.
HTH
On 27/06/2019 07:07, Rob Kampen wrote:
On 27/06/19 7:58 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6. And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard [for me] to use).
What alternitives are there? (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
I have been using Vivaldi for about 6 months now on my C7 workstation, ever since FF dropped the ball on an update and lost all my saved passwords. I only have the browser store passwords for non-important sites, but there were dozens of them, and I DO NOT back them up onto the cloud to be accessible to the great un-washed.
Vivaldi is not as media player friendly i.e. for video content, but to be fair I haven't spent much time trying to sort that out.
I find it has some nice tools for my development work / testing, however also some bugs as on occasion it will not open a link when I double click it in say an email - Vivaldi is set as the default browser. A stop and start of the browser sorts that problem. I typically keep my browser open for weeks, or until this fault causes too much frustration. It remembers all my open tabs so the restart is fairly painless.
HTH
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I've just installed Vivaldi and came across the video test page: https://tekeye.uk/html/html5-video-test-page
If anything doesn't work (in my case it was the MPEG test) start Vivaldi from the command line and it will tell you what steps to take.
When I re-ran the test MPEG was fine.
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