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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
Frank Tanner III wrote:
There goes YOUR attitude again. I *SPECIFICALLY* stated in my initial e-mail "or those of you that either have an older revision of my firewall document, or are otherwise keeping track of it, there is a new version available.".
if you want your own private mailing list, go start one. bye bye! If you are going to post something here, making it meaningful to people who read the list - is a good thing, and expected from all posters.
It *WAS* meaningful. For the people that it was applicable to. Then people decided that because it wasn't applicable to them that they should flame me.
It was not relevant to the majority of the people on this list. I read it and thought 'huh - weird , has it been misposted ??, have I missed part of it ??, is it a strange new kind of spam ??, but I didnt find it important enough to comment.
It certainly wasnt applicable to me , but more to the point I didnt know why it had been posted to this list and to what it referred.
Were the people who it was relevant to then meant to ask you for a fresh copy to be sent to them ???
This really is not the way that opensource documents are usually distributed -
So, seeing as how I am not some rich corporation that can afford stupid amounts of bandwidth exactly HOW am I supposed to distribute it any other way? Nobody gave ANY information in this regard until I had been properly flamed first.
This is not the first document that I have distributed in this manner. I've distributed a couple on the DNS and BIND list in this manner. I have distributed a couple on the old Red Hat lists in this manner.
This is the FIRST time anyone has taken offense at my manner of transport for my document.
opensource works by peole being able to take what they need, not request a copy ...
Or if there was some hidden place that the knowing could download it from
- again - neither the spirit nor method of open source.
It's attitudes such as this as to why people say, "You can never get good
support with Open Source software."
They are more likely to say that if they cant get hold of it in the first place ...
I came onto the list trying to be HJELPFUL, and got burnt to the ground
instead. JUST like in the forums. I guess they'er right. No good deed goes unpunished.
Now I understand why nobody has offered a document like this to the community before. It certainly makes me want to keep all of my future documents to myself. They're OBVIOUSLY only a bother to everyone and nobody wants them.
You really do seem to have an atiitude problem, and have already taken up far too much of the bandwidth on this - usually helpful and good mannered
- list.
THAT is why I posted to the list. Because I *THOUGHT* that it was usually helpful and good mannered. Apparently there's some secret handshake involved in getting a HELPFUL and GOOD MANNERED response that I am unaware of. Because I got neither until after I'd been flamed.
You are likely to put peoples backs up by such comments - people dnt know how great your work is unless they can access it ....
Why dont you start again - I suggest with something like :-
' For those that know about it, I have released a new version of my firewall document - for those that dont - I have written a document which I would like to commend to the open source community as I feel that it is well writen and informative.
I would like somewhere to host it if anyone has any suggestions, as I cant provide unlimited bandwidth.
If anyone would like a copy to check out then please mail me offlist'
Or some such ...
There are numerous places where such a document could be hosted with provided bandwidth , sourceforge and google being two of them , CentOS also being a possiblity ...
But having not seen it we dont know if it is relevant or useful ....
If you wish us to take a look at it then please either email a copy to me or place it somwehere that it can be accessed.
Regards
Lance Davis CentOS Project Leader
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 10:51:37AM -0400, pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
So, seeing as how I am not some rich corporation that can afford stupid amounts of bandwidth exactly HOW am I supposed to distribute it any other way? Nobody gave ANY information in this regard until I had been properly flamed first.
That's because it's widely known and easily available. No one knew you needed help with this until you mentioned it. At that point, all sorts of suggestions for help came up, but you've so far chose to ignore then.
This is the FIRST time anyone has taken offense at my manner of transport for my document.
Your earlier message contradicts this. Remember, *we can check*!
In *this* thread, people weren't offended by your method of transport -- just perplexed.
You really do seem to have an atiitude problem, and have already taken up far too much of the bandwidth on this - usually helpful and good mannered
- list.
THAT is why I posted to the list. Because I *THOUGHT* that it was usually helpful and good mannered. Apparently there's some secret handshake involved in getting a HELPFUL and GOOD MANNERED response that I am unaware of. Because I got neither until after I'd been flamed.
Well, you should maybe step back and consider what the unique factor is in this case.
pctech@mybellybutton.com wrote:
THAT is why I posted to the list. Because I *THOUGHT* that it was usually helpful and good mannered. Apparently there's some secret handshake involved in getting a HELPFUL and GOOD MANNERED response that I am unaware of. Because I got neither until after I'd been flamed.
Stop telling lies. The *second* answer to your mail was an offer to host it on wiki.centos.org. The *first* answer to your mail wasn't a flame.
You might like to prove otherwise.
Ralph
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