On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:06 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Hugh E Cruickshank hugh@forsoft.com wrote:
<snip> > Are there still servers that accept undeliverable mail and generate > messages later? That behavior makes them an easy target for spammers > who send the real target address as the From: entry and will likely > get them blacklisted. <snip> Huh. Given that my email address was harvested by someone(s), and the last year or less, I'll suddenly get a bunch of bounces from Australia, or Italy, or Estonia... now you've got me wondering if someone's just using my email, or is attacking me, personally....
I once ran qmail as shipped in SME server (before they replaced the receiving component) and it would routinely get hit by dictionary attacks - which it would accept and then fall over as it filled its outbound queue with bounces. That list of 'accepted' email addresses must have been sold and reused for years because the affected domain continued to get about 50k/day of emails to those non-existing users until the domain name was retired (for other reasons). I switched it to sendmail with a virtual user table for the few real user names so it was able to reject the bad names almost instantly.
So, based on that, I'd guess you are on some of those lists that still get used.
Btw, when Karanbir first banned me, he wrote me one email. I responded... and he didn't, nor has he contacted me in any way. In that email, btw, he said that he'd talked to me before about my "behavior". Now, other than the arguments about nixspam, I can't remember any such thing, and now, even though I was saying he was wrongheaded about using them, I feel as though he took it as a personal attack, and that my banning is personal, on "his" (as opposed to "our") list....
Well, you did mention something that could be construed as violent - by someone with a complete lack of a sense of humor.
On 2014-11-05, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:06 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Btw, when Karanbir first banned me, he wrote me one email. I responded... and he didn't, nor has he contacted me in any way. In that email, btw, he said that he'd talked to me before about my "behavior". Now, other than the arguments about nixspam, I can't remember any such thing, and now, even though I was saying he was wrongheaded about using them, I feel as though he took it as a personal attack, and that my banning is personal, on "his" (as opposed to "our") list....
Well, you did mention something that could be construed as violent -
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-October/146720.html
--keith
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Keith Keller kkeller@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us wrote:
On 2014-11-05, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:06 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Btw, when Karanbir first banned me, he wrote me one email. I responded... and he didn't, nor has he contacted me in any way. In that email, btw, he said that he'd talked to me before about my "behavior". Now, other than the arguments about nixspam, I can't remember any such thing, and now, even though I was saying he was wrongheaded about using them, I feel as though he took it as a personal attack, and that my banning is personal, on "his" (as opposed to "our") list....
Well, you did mention something that could be construed as violent -
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-October/146720.html
Did he really have to put the <SARCASM></SARCASM> tags on for you?
On 2014-11-05, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
Did he really have to put the <SARCASM></SARCASM> tags on for you?
Of course not. It's still inappropriate content (IMO of course), and possibly the content that contributed to him being moderated by the list admins.
It's also inappropriate (IMO of course) to intentionally circumvent controls which have been implemented to restrict someone from posting to the list.
--keith
On Wed, 2014-11-05 at 14:34 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Keith Keller wrote:
...{ About Mark being banned from the Centos mailing list} ...
Well, you {Mark} did mention something that could be construed as violent -
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-October/146720.html
Did he really have to put the <SARCASM></SARCASM> tags on for you?
It was a conspicuously sarcastic remark. Definitely not a remark threatening anyone with violence.
I do not know anyone who would agree with Keith's assertion that Mark posted "something that could be construed as violent".
My personal interpretation is Mark wanted the Systemd genii to have a long holiday, away from the Red Hat/Centos world, in a place where the possession of Red Hat/Centos is banned by the USA government. Perhaps Mark should have selected another place, like North Korea for instance ?
Can we become one big Happy Family again ?